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Old 06-15-2018, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by empty canibal View Post
the 32 hull is one of the best ever built. i had the combi only because i'm more of an express guy, but the killer was she had the 8.2 detroits, and only one small access hole to climb in. it was mostly for checking/changing oil, tightening belts, etc. but you just about had to be a contortionist to get to anything. anything other than routine maintenance, all the deck furniture had to be unscrewed and removed, which took alot of dock space and a minimum of two strong guys to do it. back breaking labor for sure. i love the bridge version because of the raised motor boxes, engine access is much easier on the bridge boat. hind sight is always 20/20, if i were to ever get another 32, it would certainly be the flybridge version... the ride of these boats is second to none, and they handle and maneuver around the dock like no other., due to the spacing of the engines between each other, and their low slung profile, making it challenging for the wind to get to it. they were way ahead of their time, and truly "the standard by which all others are judged". i truly miss my 32 combi, but i'm just more of a sandbar guy these days and time is limited with maintenance, so i had to go back to a single outboard. i wish you nothing but the best of luck with her, these boats are truly gems in a world dominated by outboards these days in the 32' class... nice ride Coores, totally different feeling in the blackfin which i'm sure you have already seen. it's all about raw weight and mass with deadrise combined to make for a ride that must be experienced to understand, as opposed to flying over the tops of waves.. i would say it's comparable to driving a porsche, then getting of it and getting into a big bulldozer.. that's literally the contrast in my opinion, night and day different rides.. you truly are fortunate to have the best of both worlds, totally jealous!
thanks man. I'm excited to get out and use her. Unfortunately, that day looks to be further and further off in the distance. Hopefully, I'll win the lottery (even though I don't play) and I will then be able to take her to a professional yard and have them do a full restoration with twin Cummins QSB 550's in her. I want a 30 knot cruise. Not 22!
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:02 AM
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Subscribed. PM me with any questions Coores I restored mine over last 2 years pretty much every system on the boat except rebuilding engines
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:20 AM
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Looks like fun, count me in on the progress.
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by empty canibal View Post
the 32 hull is one of the best ever built. i had the combi only because i'm more of an express guy, but the killer was she had the 8.2 detroits, and only one small access hole to climb in. it was mostly for checking/changing oil, tightening belts, etc. but you just about had to be a contortionist to get to anything. anything other than routine maintenance, all the deck furniture had to be unscrewed and removed, which took alot of dock space and a minimum of two strong guys to do it. back breaking labor for sure. i love the bridge version because of the raised motor boxes, engine access is much easier on the bridge boat.
My 32 Combi, like all of the 33 Combis had the helm deck on hinges at the back with an electric ram that raises at the front to about a 45 degree angle - short of pulling the motors, there is nothing you can't work on on my CAT 3116's with the deck tilted up, including climbing on top to swap a turbo on the outboard side, and all of the seating stays in place.
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:39 AM
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the proverbial can of worms? yeah, I opened it.
Went to the boat yesterday to maybe start patching the hole and as I poked around more I discovered waayyy more rot. Termite damage mixed with wet wood makes for a sloppy mess.

I wanted to at least try to cut out as much as I could, but that meant having to remove a bunch of the teak trim. After a good while I had the engine box off, the trim removed, that corner panel removed, and had cut out a lot more bad stuff than I expected.
So, I'm left with what you see in the pics. A giant ass hole. I tried to leave some of the inner and outer skin where I could by scraping out the wet core. My thinking is that maybe I can then slide the new core back in between the skin and utilize them to help stabilize everything as I tie in new glass.

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1.) generally, I am of the opinion that whenever possible I should upgrade rather than merely replace. In regards to the core, that would mean I put in some divinycell or some other composite. 1/2" thick, slid in between the existing skins and then glassed over. Thoughts?
2.) is there something I should be doing for any of the existing wood that either I can't reach or that is only mildly compromised? Git Rot or something of the sort?
3.) that entire bulkhead around the window - you can see where I had to peel away some of the surface and now there is exposed wood. What I peeled away almost felt like something other than gelcoat/paint. Like a formica material or something. It snapped off in pieces as I started to pull on it. Maybe it's just old and brittle? Or is it something other than gelcoat/paint? The entire boat really should get repainted, particularly the deck area and engine boxes and what not. So should I just continue peeling that stuff off, sand the wood, and recoat with my paint of choice?


Could you just skin the outsides and then pour arjay in there?
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:54 AM
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Could you just skin the outsides and then pour arjay in there?
don't know. Can I? Never used that stuff before.
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Arjay is pretty heavy for that application. I would be surprised if you needed that much strength.

How is your access to the overall rear cabin bulkhead? I know this is a much bigger effort, but would it be worth removing the whole bulkhead (since the rot may be everywhere), and replacing with a foam core? With the right materials, I bet you could also massively improve the sound levels in the cabin while running.

If you were able to peel the existing skins and mimic the holes, it seems like you could do it relatively simply (not simply, though), and have a much lighter part overall.

Note that I do not know what I am talking about with that boat... I am thinking aloud like I would probably be thinking in your spot.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Texas 17 View Post
Arjay is pretty heavy for that application. I would be surprised if you needed that much strength.

How is your access to the overall rear cabin bulkhead? I know this is a much bigger effort, but would it be worth removing the whole bulkhead (since the rot may be everywhere), and replacing with a foam core? With the right materials, I bet you could also massively improve the sound levels in the cabin while running.

If you were able to peel the existing skins and mimic the holes, it seems like you could do it relatively simply (not simply, though), and have a much lighter part overall.

Note that I do not know what I am talking about with that boat... I am thinking aloud like I would probably be thinking in your spot.

well, my original thought was to replace with a foam core. I won't be doing the entire bulkhead as most of it is ok. I have some divinycell laying around, so I figured I could use it. It's 3/4" thick though and the bulkhead core is 1/2".
Reducing sound levels would be wonderful. In fact, just yesterday I was researching all sorts of sound deadening options like Sound Down and all that stuff.

Access isn't ideal. From the outside I'm laying across the engine with maybe 6-10" of space between the engine and the bulkhead. On the inside, the area is behind a molded in seat for the dinette. There's a hatch in the seat base which is where the battery charger was. Through that opening is my only access unless I wanted to cut the entire seat out.
So I have decent access to the top of the repair area from the outside and I have decent access to the bottom of the repair area from the inside.
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:56 PM
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That is one project I am not looking forward to. I was planning on doing that job whenever my engines were out next...

wait till you pull the deck up....
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:17 PM
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OP, are you gonna have all the screw heads on the boat facing the same way, like you did on the Conch 27? I still can't get THAT pic out of my head!
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ljk View Post
OP, are you gonna have all the screw heads on the boat facing the same way, like you did on the Conch 27? I still can't get THAT pic out of my head!
but of course. They’re like that on my Whitewater and on every boat that I work on. It’s just the way it’s gotta be.
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LI32 View Post
My 32 Combi, like all of the 33 Combis had the helm deck on hinges at the back with an electric ram that raises at the front to about a 45 degree angle - short of pulling the motors, there is nothing you can't work on on my CAT 3116's with the deck tilted up, including climbing on top to swap a turbo on the outboard side, and all of the seating stays in place.
do you happen to have pictures. I'd love to do this.
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Old 06-15-2018, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ljk View Post
OP, are you gonna have all the screw heads on the boat facing the same way, like you did on the Conch 27? I still can't get THAT pic out of my head!
I'll be up in his ear if he doesn't adhere to strict reconstruction protocol. 1. Leave it better/nicer/newer than when you found it.
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:35 AM
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have spent the last however many afternoons doing...stuff...on the boat. Gotta love how one project turns into a crapload of other projects. Some of them related to the original project and some of them done so as to procrastinate from finishing the original most difficult project. Don't really have any pics because it's not much to see at this point.
The hole in the bulkhead is now larger. I had a 4x8 sheet of 1/2" divinycell delivered from FGCI and figured What the hell, I have it so I might as well use some of it. So I cut out a little more of the questionable areas. I spent some time getting the foam pieces cut to size and shaped so that they fit into the opening and also so that they slide deep in between the skins that were left from digging out the rotten core. I coated the insides of the skin and the pieces of foam with resin and then shoved the foam in. Hopefully it'll bond somewhat. I then tried to start laying some glass. Let me just say this -- "I hate laying glass on vertical surfaces." Especially when only one arm has any sort of decent access. What a freaking mess...
So I put a layer of mat at across the bottom of the repair. I'm going to work from the bottom up mainly because the best access from inside is at the bottom. I am hoping that layer will at least provide some rigidity now for when I go to lay more.

I also spent a few afternoons replacing the battery charger. The old one was a beast. Must've weighed 40 pounds? Ancient thing. And it had ancient wiring going to it. Small 10awg wires running to the batteries, not tinned wire, shitty connections... So, I replaced all of that with fresh new 6awg power wires to each battery, new terminals on the battery while also getting rid of the wing nuts, 60 amp fuses for each leg, all heat shrunk and done right. While there, I also wanted to replace each of the positive cables that ran to the fuse panel for the bilge pumps. Again, they were old. So fresh new 10awg wire went in.
That sounds like a simple enough project, but remember this is a 33 year old boat. NOTHING is labeled, EVERYTHING is covered in oily dirt, ALL OF IT is crammed into tiny chase tubes and then disappears into nowhere. I spent hours and hours just tracing wires. Cutting old zip ties, finding the wire in the bundle, trying to follow it to its destination or origin. My arms look like I got into a fight with a mountain lion with all of the scratches and gouges from having them buried between stringers and the engines and the wire looms and what not.

But at the end of the day, the charger is hooked up and working. A fraction of the size and weight of the original and this one of course is "smart". It's not installed in its permanent location yet due to the glass work that's in the same area, but at least the batteries are getting juice again.

gotta love old boats...
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Go team! I about cut my wrist off when tugging on a wire, IT HURT!! Understood about arms! Enjoy!
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I have permanent scars on underside of my arms from engines/wiring
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Old 06-24-2018, 10:01 AM
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I have permanent scars on underside of my arms from engines/wiring
for sure. From all the boats I’ve worked on my hands look like I’m a damn UFC fighter or something. But chicks dig scars so it's all good.
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Here's mine.
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Old 06-26-2018, 12:48 PM
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well, let's see... still working on the big hole. I'm taking my time as I go back and forth between that and other projects. Access sucks, it's stupid hot out, and I only get a few hours in the afternoons mostly. But I'm getting there. You can see in the pic that I have the lower portion of the new foam core glassed in. And as of last night the entire hole is filled, but still needs glass. I was very tempted to cut a hole in the dinette seat and install a hatch so that I could have easy access to the backside of the repair for glasswork, but I opted against it. For now.

I did have a good long 8 hour day on the boat the other day and luckily had the other (better?) half and the dog to assist. She worked on getting the interior window frames off so that they can be sanded and repainted. They looked like dog crap with chipping paint and corrosion and what not. The port one came out in minutes. The starboard one was clearly installed before the interior furniture was installed. We wrestled with it for an hour or two trying to get it out in one piece. The forward 2/3 of it is over the galley. The aft 1/3 of it is in the head. With the bulkhead in between where the stove, microwave, fridge, etc are. Trying to slide that frame out was not fun. I ended up getting medieval on its ass and had to cut out a part of the bulkhead with a sawzall in order to provide clearance. But we prevailed. It's only sort of bent...and the head is tore up. I ripped the wallpaper off since we are replacing anyway and I also made a nice discovery of more rotten wood. Yay.

She also taped off the windows and sanded/painted the parts that don't really come out unless removing the entire window. It's incredible what fresh white paint can do for the looks of it all. Instant transformation. Although none of it is painted in these pics. That'll have to wait until my next post.

I REALLY want to replace the windows. They're cloudy, yellow, scratched, etc. I'd also love to go frameless, but don't know how to go about that. Anyone have any step by step instructions on the best way to go about it? Or can I at least replace the lexan (or plexi?) with new stuff? Or perhaps even buff it out like they do on cloudy headlights these days?







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Thanks for posting this thread. The BF 32 has been one of my dream boats for a very long time. I expect to learn a lot from this thread. I think I actually have a sales brochure from 1988 on this boat. I will try to scan and post.
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