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Old 05-19-2018, 11:32 AM
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hide the boat and make it unusable / untowable IE: remove the trailer wheels and put it on blocks, if possible remove the hitch,remove batteries , keys and anything you can think of to disable the boat (if it was me "i would remove the motors.) .......................
dont use the boat till all is sorted and legally yours .
dont disclose to """"anyone at all""" where it is ......." remember" a lien means someone else owns the boat whether you have paid for it or not.and people are paid good money to find goods with liens on them .
hassle the shit out of that dealer till you get satisfaction...
i hope for your sake all goes well and you get your boat cleared into your name.
good luck !!!
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Old 05-19-2018, 11:51 AM
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Unfortunately, there are many boat dealers that are crooks. I speak from experience. When I was ready to buy my boat,
I checked with the BBB. They flagged me and told me to call the D.A's office. The D.A. asked me to come down to talk to him.
I learned the dealer was under investigation for fraudulent and deceptive practices.

Like you though, it was the exact boat I wanted. The D.A. gave me some tips if I was stupid enough to continue with the deal:
1) Don't allow the dealer to register the boat. 2) Do it yourself and pay the DMV the tax on the sale yourself. 3) Get the M.S.O
from the dealer. In your case, that would mean the title.

However, since you are beyond that point now, I suggest you contact the D.A.'s office with your complaint. You might be shocked at what the D.A. tells you. One good thing is that you have the boat in your possession. The people who allowed the dealer I dealt with to "register" the boat for them were screwed.

The D.A. raided and padlocked the dealer's lot with all the boats one month after my purchase. The dealer had never paid off the buyer's previous boat loans and never even registered the new boats he sold. I escaped that one. Best of luck with your adventure.
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Old 05-19-2018, 01:54 PM
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I had a similar situation about 15 years ago. I purchased a 33’ Pacemaker, the broker gave me a temporary registration and sticker which was good for 60 days if I remember correctly. I didn’t receive the title or annual registration sticker near the end of the temporary sticker date. I called the broker and he sent another temporary sticker, which made me suspicious. As that one was nearing expiration, I called the DNR office near his brokerage. They had no record of the sale, nor excise tax being paid. I called the broker back and advised him that I notified the DNR, he was pissed, but I did get the title and registration. A few months later I read that the broker was prosecuted for fraud and did jail time. Stay on them,and sorry for your troubles.
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Old 05-19-2018, 02:14 PM
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It took me almost 2 months to get a release of lien on a condo in St. Pete that I just sold. It was on a line of credit using the condo as collateral. The attorney held back the full amount of $50,000 till they received the release from the bank.
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Old 05-19-2018, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NitroSun View Post
Ordinarily, just waiting it out would be ok but this is not a dealer with just poor customer service, they are a criminal enterprise. Not only have they done nonsense like this before, they just hired a convicted boat thief who was just released from prison. Call a lawyer Monday morning;

Aliases:MARK CONNERS MARK A CONNERS

Current Prison Sentence History:Offense DateOffenseSentence DateCountyCase No.Prison Sentence Length04/01/2010ORG.FRAUD-$50K OR MORE02/16/2012PINELLAS10229976Y 0M 0D 08/20/2010GRAND THEFT O/20,000 L/$100,0002/16/2012PINELLAS10229975Y 0M 0D 09/21/2010GRAND THEFT O/20,000 L/$100,0002/16/2012PINELLAS10229975Y 0M 0D 09/03/2010GRAND THEFT $10K L/$20K02/16/2012PINELLAS10229975Y 0M 0D 08/02/2010GRAND THEFT O/20,000 L/$100,0002/16/2012PINELLAS10229975Y 0M 0D 08/23/2010GRAND THEFT O/20,000 L/$100,0002/16/2012PINELLAS10229975Y 0M 0D 08/18/2010GRAND THEFT O/20,000 L/$100,0002/16/2012PINELLAS10229975Y 0M 0D 12/16/2010TRAFFIC IN STOLEN PROPERTY02/16/2012PINELLAS11007326Y 0M 0D 03/01/2008THEFT-STATE FUNDS $100K+02/16/2012PINELLAS11034466Y 0M 0D

Also search Mark Conners on this sight. There is a video of him stealing a boat in broad daylight. Also sold multiple consignment boats and kept the money himself. Original owners out the cash, new owners out the title.
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Old 05-19-2018, 02:57 PM
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I am pretty sure that it is against the law to sell a vehicle that does not have a clear title. At a minimum it is misrepresentation. I think you are not in a good situation. Even if the dealer plans to do the right thing, your months without use of your boat.

It could be a stolen boat with no ability to get title, In which case you are in possession and the cops could just haul it away and you would have nothing.

Could be just as they say, But to get lein title released takes minutes. You go the the lien holder and they sign off when they get their money. The state will take a week or so to get you the new title.
I would start by asking whom has a lien on boat, and verify that it was payed off, If so then give it a bit of time for the state to send you a title. If not, go apes-hit on them for fraudulently selling something they did not have rights to.

Just my opinion.
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Old 05-19-2018, 03:00 PM
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Dealer should have a bond and be regulated make some phone calls. I had a dealer in South Carolina try to back out of a deal with a signed contrac and deposit. I showed up from fla and got the boat and paid they gave me a bunch of crap and no title. I got home with boat and got my attorney involved and got my title.
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Old 05-19-2018, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by highflier1 View Post
I am pretty sure that it is against the law to sell a vehicle that does not have a clear title. At a minimum it is misrepresentation. I think you are not in a good situation. Even if the dealer plans to do the right thing, your months without use of your boat.

It could be a stolen boat with no ability to get title, In which case you are in possession and the cops could just haul it away and you would have nothing.

Could be just as they say, But to get lein title released takes minutes. You go the the lien holder and they sign off when they get their money. The state will take a week or so to get you the new title.
I would start by asking whom has a lien on boat, and verify that it was payed off, If so then give it a bit of time for the state to send you a title. If not, go apes-hit on them for fraudulently selling something they did not have rights to.

Just my opinion.
in most places it is not illegal and it is done all the time especially on boats and sometimes on cars as well especially at smaller dealers

here are a few tips:

1. as a SELLER NEVER give the broker your title to hold EVER no matter how much they ask for it until you have the VERIFIED money IN YOUR HAND OR ACCOUNT......do not give them the title because "that is how they always do it", "they are your agent", "this guy is serious and needs to see the clear title", "it makes things easier", and on and on....some might say "let them hold it, but do not sign it"......well an unsigned transfer of title is just as worthless as no title so having it unsigned is no more convenient for anyone because you still need to get there and sign it for the transaction.....unless less than reputable dealer is going to sign your name....I mean really what is another charge of forgery if you are going to take someone for $100,000 or even $50,000.....so if they have the title signed or unsigned then they basically own your boat at that point

2. never trust your dealer or broker to pay off the lien on a boat you sold and that is even more so if you are trading for another boat and taking out a new loan......it is "nice" that with a lien your lender can get that boat back if it is fraudulently sold, but do you really want that boat back with a second payment, the need to sell that boat, the boat possible tied up in legal issues while you make two payments and the arrears and fees from the lender for missed payments.....BE THERE when the sale is done right at your lien holder and watch as the lien is paid off and the loan closed and the title cleared and handed to the new buyer and then you get the rest of your money (or if you are in a bad way you cut the check for the rest of the loan before the sale because you were upside down on the boat)

if you cannot get to your lender then you need to get a verified (as best as possible) form of payment directly to your lender and verify it has gone through IE a bank transfer, cashiers check (generally not fraud proof any more because banks no longer take the cash from the account holder and place it in the banks account and write the cashiers check against it as they should the write it against the account holders account and then do not block funds so it is as worthless as a check) before they clear the title....the last thing you want is your bank clearing the title and then coming back to you and saying the cashiers check bounced or the transfer was a fraud....TALK TO YOUR LENDER about how to handle that to be fool proof because if they let the title go and then come back to you if the payment on the lien id fraudulent guess what that boat is now GONE most likely and even if you go after the buyer they will have no money......while your bank will want to go after YOU to pay off the lien

tips as a buyer

1. pay off the lien IN PERSON and if that is not possible then do YOUR OWN RESEARCH and find the numbers to the lien holder ON YOUR OWN IE do not take the cell phone from the dealer of the seller that "just called them"......call them ON YOUR OWN TIME and tell them you are buying a used boat they hold title to and you want to know from them how to make sure that your money to pay off the lien goes to THEM and how long it takes them to verify and clear the title

2. title the boat yourself

3. if the seller has clear title then TALK TO THE SELLER and make sure you can verify somehow that it is them.....do not just take the title from the dealer without first contacting the SELLER the make sure they are aware a sale is taking place.....now in most cases with the actual clear title in hand and proof of money paid (unless it is some ridiculous amount that anyone would know is a scam) that boat is yours and the seller has to go after the broker because they did not follow rule #1 above for sellers and they gave the title to the dealer....now if there was forgery involved then you can look forward to a long court case and you will possibly lose some or all of your money and the boat
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Originally Posted by JonisMist View Post
I'm pretty sure it was illegal for them to sell that boat without a clear title. I would most definately consult a lawyer. You might be entitled to compensation for this.
I highly doubt it is illegal. I think the term they use is consignment sale.

I thought about selling my boat and my dealer was more than willing to sell it for me for a small fee. The fee would cover the paperwork (paying off the loan/obtaining title, etc..) and their effort. They were going to charge me about 3-4 %..
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Originally Posted by macabear View Post
I highly doubt it is illegal. I think the term they use is consignment sale.

I thought about selling my boat and my dealer was more than willing to sell it for me for a small fee. The fee would cover the paperwork (paying off the loan/obtaining title, etc..) and their effort. They were going to charge me about 3-4 %..
I think he is implying it is illegal to sell something with a lien on it.....which in most places it is not provided the funds from the sale are sent to the lien holder to pay of the lien prior to transfer of title (which in most cases the lien holder would hold title)

in cases where the funds are not sent to the lien holder it is not "illegal" because there was a lien it is illegal because it was fraud for not paying off the lien
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Originally Posted by Insider View Post
I think he is implying it is illegal to sell something with a lien on it.....which in most places it is not provided the funds from the sale are sent to the lien holder to pay of the lien prior to transfer of title (which in most cases the lien holder would hold title)

in cases where the funds are not sent to the lien holder it is not "illegal" because there was a lien it is illegal because it was fraud for not paying off the lien

In that description, I agree wholeheartedly.. That would definitely be fraudulent.
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Consider yourself lucky if the boat you bought gets the lien satisfied and you receive title...

We bought a $25k boat from a dealer in Sanford Fla ten years or so years ago...and waited forever to get the title. Months went by....I called, my wife called, and then I had my brother, who lives there, drop by to see what was going on..

In a couple of weeks after my brother seeing them, I got the title.

Within a couple of months I got a call from the Sheriffs office asking about my boat purchase...and if I ever got my title. It seems as if the owners scammed dozens of folks out of the money collected while selling used boats. They never paid the liens against them..

This was a big used boat dealership..who would have ever thought that they were illegitimate..?

Tropical Breeze was the name of the place.

What I found ironic after looking deeper into this, was the guy who ran the place had a brother who was arrested for doing the exact same thing at another dealership.
Pretty sure he got arrested too. He was also the sales manager at the brothers business when he got arrested.
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Look up National Marine....in FL (Not National Liquidators). The guy scammed LOTS of people trading 1/2 million dollar boats. Not paying liens etc. Some guys had their "new" boat repo'd and then got hit with responsibility for the new note AND the note on their old boat too. Somehow that A-hole avoided jail time.

It might take awhile but put pressure on them to get it done ASAP.
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Originally Posted by fvnaguib View Post
#update. I checked online today and I see the lien got removed finally!! But the boat still under the previous owner name. I will give it couple of more weeks and see of they will move it under my name. You know, if they communicate better with me, I wouldnt be complaining now.
where are you checking?

is it a documented boat?

we need more details...
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:49 AM
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I' just trying to conceive the idea of forking over the dough on a used boat when the seller doesn't have the title in hand? And then walking away trusting they would send it later?

On a consignement deal where everyone knows XX bank is holding the title..everyone goes to XX bank and the money changes hands there. This deal stinks on several levels.
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