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Old 08-22-2018, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MarSci View Post
D'OH!

Maybe now with his legal woes behind him, he can shift his priorities from dealing with lawyers to building cats?
It takes either credit or free cash flow to fund new boat construction and they are trying to cover many bases at one time and priorities might eliminate the Cat for the time being.
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:52 AM
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The reason you have not seen a photo of the Barker Cat for months is because Barker has not paid Vector Works and the plug is sitting outside of the building in shrink wrap. It has been under shrink wrap for almost two months. I went to Vector works and saw this myself.

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Yes, but still current intel. Maybe JDBerg can shed some light on the subject since he was on board from the beginning?
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Where were the plugs for the Cayo made?
Vectorworks of course. The best in the business.
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Old 08-22-2018, 08:32 AM
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Go to Vectorworks and see for yourself. No more pictures or talk on Barkers facebook. Before you doubt me, go to Barkers factory and you can answer the question yourself on whether Barker has the money for the project. Count the number of employees and you decide whether he can afford to produce a catamaran.
Where is Raysmith. He was all over this thread telling everyone about how great the boat was.
One current photo is all that is needed.
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Old 08-22-2018, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LoadedLine View Post
Go to Vectorworks and see for yourself. No more pictures or talk on Barkers facebook. Before you doubt me, go to Barkers factory and you can answer the question yourself on whether Barker has the money for the project. Count the number of employees and you decide whether he can afford to produce a catamaran.
Where is Raysmith. He was all over this thread telling everyone about how great the boat was.
One current photo is all that is needed.
do you know Wylie on a professional or personal level?
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Curious as to the market research that deemed that a large CAT was a boat niche that was missing...or if was to compete against a YellowFin of the same length.

I am not in the league to buy either makers' boats, even the smaller ones, sadly.

based on what I've seen on new boat prices, wouldn't this boat be about 750K - 1 million? I am no boat builder, but I can only imagine that the cost to build a 42 footer would only be double of a 21 footer, as far as materials is concerned....I can't see it being a logarithmic formula for cost to the MFG....please feel free to correct me...as I said I don't build boats.
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Vectorworks of course. The best in the business.
so you knew the answer, just wanted to bring a different manufacture into a potential turd show? Nice.
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I seriously doubt any seasoned business folk could be run off by some minor constructive criticism. Thin skinned people are very unattractive. I'm guessing Barker is just very busy building boats and running his business. Maybe Ray could post up some info since I believe he's building the first one?
Hey WTF, who are you calling thin skinned???!
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Originally Posted by LoadedLine View Post
The reason you have not seen a photo of the Barker Cat for months is because Barker has not paid Vector Works and the plug is sitting outside of the building in shrink wrap. It has been under shrink wrap for almost two months. I went to Vector works and saw this myself.
That'll do it!
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Originally Posted by cfauvel View Post
Curious as to the market research that deemed that a large CAT was a boat niche that was missing...or if was to compete against a YellowFin of the same length.

I am not in the league to buy either makers' boats, even the smaller ones, sadly.

based on what I've seen on new boat prices, wouldn't this boat be about 750K - 1 million? I am no boat builder, but I can only imagine that the cost to build a 42 footer would only be double of a 21 footer, as far as materials is concerned....I can't see it being a logarithmic formula for cost to the MFG....please feel free to correct me...as I said I don't build boats.
The beams on these large cats are huge. I would venture a completely uneducated guess that the raw materials for the hull are 6-8 times minimum for than a 21’ boat. Also everything is being designed and built so the R&D is very expensive. No telling how much the vectorworks bill is for everything done.

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The beams on these large cats are huge. I would venture a completely uneducated guess that the raw materials for the hull are 6-8 times minimum for than a 21’ boat. Also everything is being designed and built so the R&D is very expensive. No telling how much the vectorworks bill is for everything done.

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I hear ya on R&D....but assuming that first one is done.. I guess they'd want to recoup the R&D in each subsequent boat....

6-8 times in materials?...if so that would put my guess of 750K+ about right.

going to have to look up VectorWorks
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so you knew the answer, just wanted to bring a different manufacture into a potential turd show? Nice.
Yes I knew that they had been over there as all of their tooling was done by Vectorworks, was just curious if they had seen the Barker cat sitting under shrink wrap somewhere. Their answer was no.... I am not sure what you are getting at?
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Originally Posted by cfauvel View Post
Curious as to the market research that deemed that a large CAT was a boat niche that was missing...or if was to compete against a YellowFin of the same length.

I am not in the league to buy either makers' boats, even the smaller ones, sadly.

based on what I've seen on new boat prices, wouldn't this boat be about 750K - 1 million? I am no boat builder, but I can only imagine that the cost to build a 42 footer would only be double of a 21 footer, as far as materials is concerned....I can't see it being a logarithmic formula for cost to the MFG....please feel free to correct me...as I said I don't build boats.
The 3+ year lead time at Freeman and Prowler's recent success (not sure their lead time) seems like pretty good market research to me. People want to jump into that market and see if they can get some share. Seahunter is building a 40, Invincible built a 40. Big boats are where its at and where the money is. The margin is higher. So as long as the demand is there, manufacturers will keep building them.
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if vector works or Michael peters reads this, if either of you lay claim to the mold in the bankruptcy proceedings, I'd be interested
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if vector works or michael peters reads this, if either of you lay claim to the mold in the bankruptcy proceedings, i'd be interested
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Old 08-22-2018, 01:24 PM
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All good at Barker from what I can see. My 26 foot open went into the mold in late May and I'll take delivery before Labor Day. At the time mine went into the mold there were eight boats in the production line ahead of mine. All eight have been finished and on the water now! At my last count (about a week ago) there were six boats in production behind mine including one that will have the new 425 Yamaha that was just delivered to Barker. Can't wait to here the performance numbers on that boat!

Here is a link to my build thread on THT that I started: New 2019 Barker Boatwork 26 Open Build Thread

I have no additional details on the Cat but will reach out to Kevin when I take delivery of my boat to get an update. I know because of all typical THT stuff he decided not to be as open with day by day updates any longer. It's just a fact that some members on THT have nothing better to do than to be negative and why should anyone have to waste time with that....
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Originally Posted by Coquille View Post
if vector works or Michael peters reads this, if either of you lay claim to the mold in the bankruptcy proceedings, I'd be interested
Barker had litigation insurance, so wiley`s frivolous lawsuit only cost Wiley money.

Have you heard about Barker`s countersuit against Wiley???



Peters and Vector have been paid.
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talking about divorce and lawsuits is no fun. I can not think of worst topics to discuss when talking about boats and fishing. Hence why Kevin, Wiley,Alex, & Billy and a ton of other builders do not post as it only feeds the trolls. That is truly everyone's loss around here. All I can say is I am friends with Kevin but also friends with my SC boy's up at Freeman and the only thing the Barker cat is going to see is my rear end!! FatBottomGirl rolls out and he is going to have to work hard to catch me!! If Kevin is so poor then I doubt he would put pink slips up to race me. Which is what he is willing to do... I will race him and beat him. Not sure I will put my boat up as that is my 401k but I will have Freeman stickers on his boat for sure!!! If I lose I will put Barker stickers on my Freeman..
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Originally Posted by deltarome View Post
It takes either credit or free cash flow to fund new boat construction and they are trying to cover many bases at one time and priorities might eliminate the Cat for the time being.
...or someone like Ray to believe in you and puts money on the table to get it done. Think that's how Ray and Jim got the Compmellenia 39 splashed. Ray's a pretty smart guy that knows what he wants, bet that he and Kevin give line-x a run for their money in the new FatBG Freeman.

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