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Old 03-10-2019, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
Speed and ride quality.

The Calcutta is a great boat but it's slow. Basically 37mph is the max for that hull. In the slop it does 28-30.

i go 40 in 2-3 all day long. Are you serious. ? Max speed is 52 mph on my Calcutta. I am running 6 group 29 batteries and boat is heavy.
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Old 03-10-2019, 01:03 PM
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i go 40 in 2-3 all day long. Are you serious. ? Max speed is 52 mph on my Calcutta. I am running 6 group 29 batteries and boat is heavy.
I would NOT want to go 52 in a Calcutta. Since it's not a planing hull it would be super dangerous to run 52 in decent sea. I also can't even imagine the Calcutta going 52. I've been on several with up to 140s and max speed is low 40s.
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Old 03-10-2019, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
I would NOT want to go 52 in a Calcutta. Since it's not a planing hull it would be super dangerous to run 52 in decent sea. I also can't even imagine the Calcutta going 52. I've been on several with up to 140s and max speed is low 40s.
There is nothing scary about a Calcutta with Merc 150’s going 52-53 mph. The hull performs fine at this speed. Like any boat ever made there is a sea state where max speed is not safe, but that would be certainly greater than 2-3 ft based on my experience on one rigged to that speed. The Zuki 140’s are weak and simply get destroyed by the Merc 150’s.
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Old 03-10-2019, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Double Creek View Post
I suspect a lot of the negativity here is due to either not being able to afford this boat or canít justify the price for those that could afford it.

this includes me.. I was originally very interested when we were talking about $140k... but at $200k, it starts bordering on insanity for ME to justify.

its obvious they have reached a market that is ripe. Also, itís not like their competitors are exactly budget boats.. A Calcutta or Prowler with similar power wonít be too far off in price.
Agreed, at 140K it seemed right (to me) but at the 200K+ price the air is starting to get a bit 'thin' (again for me). However, from the available pics and write-ups the quality appears to be there ( i haven't seen the real deal yet) so can't fault pricing if they have willing buyers ready to pony up (if they have 70 deposits that is a bunch for a relatively new group - God bless). I absolutely wish these guys the best. Boaters are the winners here...
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Old 03-10-2019, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jwtackus View Post



i go 40 in 2-3 all day long. Are you serious. ? Max speed is 52 mph on my Calcutta. I am running 6 group 29 batteries and boat is heavy.

Maybe 2ís, no way your going 40 in 3ís spaced close together. Keep it real.
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Old 03-10-2019, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
I would NOT want to go 52 in a Calcutta. Since it's not a planing hull it would be super dangerous to run 52 in decent sea. I also can't even imagine the Calcutta going 52. I've been on several with up to 140s and max speed is low 40s.
Why is a Calcutta not a planning hull, is this a typo?

I dare say the calcutta would give the cayo a hard race with equal power as it has demonstrated good speeds going down to twin 90's as its an extremely light and low planing hull: probably even lighter than the Cayo.
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Old 03-10-2019, 02:41 PM
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I would be interested in comparing the waterline measurements between the cayo and the Calcutta.
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Old 03-10-2019, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NOLA Rick View Post
It's amazing at the number of uninterested parties that are just slinging poop into a fan about the Cayo. The only thing that bothers me about the Cayo is that I'll have to wait for a used boat to hit the market before I can afford it. The rest of you jerkoffs are absurd. Beam over 9 foot and y'all are worried about fishing room? Compared to what? A Bertram 65? And she flat out flies at 80+ WITH A T-TOP! So because there's objectively nothing to complain about regarding the hull, now the negative Nancies are all making stuff up about the deposit process...without actually talking to Cayo? Quit being knuckleheads. Now, bring on the build threads!
Have you rode and fished one?

This jerk off asked a few questions as you say. They have not yet been answered and I like the look and the boat.

I'm interested but late to the game and asking questions doesn't make anyone a jerk off.

If you don't ask, your a dumb ass with 200K to blow.

I believe there is another million bucks of deposit money floating around on a drawing and a promise right now.

There will be tweaks from the original design and these folks will hopefully get this boat right where it needs to be and be successful.

Cabo, Viking and many others have had to go back and tweak the design.

Cayo is more than welcome to come on here and explain themselves as to what their terms are.

STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH!
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Old 03-10-2019, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapper01 View Post
I would be interested in comparing the waterline measurements between the cayo and the Calcutta.
I agree, I think the width of the deck floor is similar or maybe wider on the Calcutta. Calcutta is 8í6 at the rubrail (and waterline) with zero flair vs 9í10? with lots of flair.

Still, not sure why so much hate on this thread. Cayo is neck deep trying to build boats. They donít owe THT crowd a darn thing.
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Old 03-10-2019, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
Why is a Calcutta not a planning hull, is this a typo?

I dare say the calcutta would give the cayo a hard race with equal power as it has demonstrated good speeds going down to twin 90's as its an extremely light and low planing hull: probably even lighter than the Cayo.
Calcutta just plows. It never rises it's a displacement hull. This is well documented. From performance there is no way the Calcutta will compete with the Cayo. You could NEVER go 80 in a Calcutta
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
Calcutta just plows. It never rises it's a displacement hull. This is well documented. From performance there is no way the Calcutta will compete with the Cayo. You could NEVER go 80 in a Calcutta
any day of the week (behind an f250)

Have your ridden/run/owned a Calcutta? With 200ís the boat is well over 50mph and handles fine there. Around 25mph it firms up and starts to ride like a planing boat (e.g, ďrises upĒ as you say). Under 25 itís softer and rides more like a displacement boat. And itís a great boat with 115 merc pro xsís. Canít handle more than 850lbs in engines, so bigger engines arenít really an option.

the Cayo cat looks cool and Iím sure Iíd enjoy a ride. But I donít see the need to lie about another 26í hybrid cat manufacturer.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
Calcutta just plows. It never rises it's a displacement hull. This is well documented. From performance there is no way the Calcutta will compete with the Cayo. You could NEVER go 80 in a Calcutta
the bottom of a calcutta sonson is almost flat at the transom.
Even a rounder bottom glacier bay will do 60 with 300ís, loaded out with a top and it dwrafs the cayo and calcuta. The compmiŮlenia 40 does 60 with 300ís too and the 300 used on those are heavier than the mercs that cayo is now using.
I like the shear of the cayo but feel that the wow factor would be less if they were tested with twin 150ís like the other cats its same length which are taller and heavier too. These lighter engines with racing pickups are game changers, on any hull.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapper01 View Post
This is just my shitty wild guess. I think 1 year from now they will be lucky to have delivered 8 boats, year 2 12, year 3 18, then who knows. So after 3 years, my estimate is they have completed and delivered 39 boats including the demo, the list is how long? If I had a deposit out there and my number was greater than 20, I would be concerned, especially if any of it was non refundable and there was no time constraint in the contract.

Calcuttaís deposits are completely refundable, because they donít need the deposits to run the business. If Cayo is making deposits non refundable, that tells me at least they are being honest about not being able to give deposits back because the money was already spent.
Iím sitting early on the build list, in the mid-high single digits, and agree with your shitty wild guess. Iíve been told our boat should be ready in September but my buddy who has been waiting for a Cayo 18 skiff for the better part of 2 years always gives me the reality check. Iím sure the GM on the cat is much higher and resources are allocated on the new design but Iím choosing to be patient.
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Double Creek View Post
I suspect a lot of the negativity here is due to either not being able to afford this boat or canít justify the price for those that could afford it.

this includes me.. I was originally very interested when we were talking about $140k... but at $200k, it starts bordering on insanity for ME to justify.

its obvious they have reached a market that is ripe. Also, itís not like their competitors are exactly budget boats.. A Calcutta or Prowler with similar power wonít be too far off in price.
Again we pay for it, so we tolerate it. Look at the cost of twin 300 Yamaha's rigged on a boat today. 58K and you still have not started on the boat yet. Explain to me where 21-25 K for an outboard makes sense.

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Old 03-10-2019, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
Have you rode and fished one?

This jerk off asked a few questions as you say. They have not yet been answered and I like the look and the boat.

I'm interested but late to the game and asking questions doesn't make anyone a jerk off.

If you don't ask, your a dumb ass with 200K to blow.

I believe there is another million bucks of deposit money floating around on a drawing and a promise right now.

There will be tweaks from the original design and these folks will hopefully get this boat right where it needs to be and be successful.

Cabo, Viking and many others have had to go back and tweak the design.

Cayo is more than welcome to come on here and explain themselves as to what their terms are.

STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH!
So what's stopping you from Cayo and getting the answers you seek? Your expectation that Cayo is going to "come on here and explain themselves as to what their terms are" is beyond absurd. You're just tossing poop into a fan. Looked like a bunch of folks got to ride and fish in hull No. 1 during the MIBS. If you looked at their social media accounts you'd have seen that. So quit being a jerk, jerk.
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post

the bottom of a calcutta sonson is almost flat at the transom
Nothing almost flat on a Calcutta. Rounded all the way back.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by NOLA Rick View Post
So what's stopping you from Cayo and getting the answers you seek? Your expectation that Cayo is going to "come on here and explain themselves as to what their terms are" is beyond absurd. You're just tossing poop into a fan. Looked like a bunch of folks got to ride and fish in hull No. 1 during the MIBS. If you looked at their social media accounts you'd have seen that. So quit being a jerk, jerk.
First off I don't believe they attended MIBS but rather were in the area during the show. Were they on the list of Vendors? I don't know, not sure.

I suppose I could go talk to them as they are close to me. Then, I could come on here and give my interpretation of what the agreement is as some on this thread have already done. Why is it absurd for anyone to ask why Cayo wouldn't come on here and explain their process. They certainly have gotten some pretty good air time on this site being a brand new company.

I didn't bash the company or the boat, just asked some questions I though that could be answered here.

3 year wait for it kills the deal for me anyhow so this Jerk could give a rats ass what you have to say.

70 deposits is impressive for a unknown hull that has not been proven to the test of time as of yet. I hope it works out for them and the buyers and the builder are successful with their pursuits. I remember when the Barker was all the rage for a while. It takes a lot more than a good design to make it in the boat Manufacturing business, especially when you start getting into higher volumes of production.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:19 AM
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Wow. This compilation of misinformation on the Calcutta is classic THT. It's a flat bottom, full displacement, 37 MPH hull speed boat. LOL. Classic.
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
I was told and the paperwork says deposit is fully refundable until you get a test drive and can make a final decision. I'm super early in the order list and would have been earlier had I not have been sick the first couple of days he was taking pre-orders. It's going to be a game changer. I was very close to buying my buddies Calcutta so I have a lot of respect for their boats. The biggest downside with that boat is speed. It's horribly slow.

Does the height of the transom being so low to the water bother you at all? I was on one at the beach the other day and was surprised how there were only 1-2 inches before the water was on the deck. I knw they have the sea door which is really cool but just asking for those of you that have spent time on them.
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Originally Posted by NOLA Rick View Post
So what's stopping you from Cayo and getting the answers you seek? Your expectation that Cayo is going to "come on here and explain themselves as to what their terms are" is beyond absurd. You're just tossing poop into a fan. Looked like a bunch of folks got to ride and fish in hull No. 1 during the MIBS. If you looked at their social media accounts you'd have seen that. So quit being a jerk, jerk.
Don't believe everything you see on social media. I tried contacting Ryan to get a ride. Told him I was going to be at MIBS and wanted to see the cat. Didn't even reply back to me. I guess I should have sent him a picture of $5K since that is the cost for a sea trial to show I was serious.

So I contacted their "salesman" and I got nothing back. But according to social media "Looked like a bunch of folks got to ride and fish in hull No. 1 during the MIBS."
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