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Old 03-08-2019, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Patton222 View Post
Fusion, I'm guessing you have no idea who 20 Bimini twist is?? On my old grouper set ups would bottom out a 50lb scale, did it many times testing knots. You're right it isn't mandatory but if you want to catch big gags it sure helps.

I do still enjoy the PP measuring in regard to a boat no one has really run yet. Hype has certainly been established.
I half to laugh sometimes about this stuff. I have had my ass snatched out of my 21 MA with a 4/0 Penn senator in hand standing on the deck with locked down drags in 20 feet of water. Lets let the grouper fishing banter and drag settings go away.

I am not here or commenting to POO POO this boat at all. If I take an interest and want one I will have one.
Just not sure if the focus on speed is in my wheel house yet. I have a low 60 MPH flats boat that I love for what it does and an offshore boat.

You might be surprised that I had a $$ interest in the original Gause 26. Yep, a crab boat built in Tarpon Springs by Joe Sermom. David and Robbie Gause did great things with that hull and have been very successful to this day.

Joe Sermon tried to F me out of 5K on that hull before those fellas got hold of it.

End of the day, the Cayo boat is good looking and I wish these guys well.

I really don't appreciate the Savage remarks about are you asking for friend. I have friends in high and low places and most of them have nice boats.
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Old 03-08-2019, 05:31 PM
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I was really interested in this boat and wanted one but there is no way I would even consider it now. The whole thing is almost comical. I was turned off by the fact up until a few days ago no one has ridden on one and yet they were 3 years out on a new one? Finally I figured no way that's right I'll get the info from the builder so I inquired about one price, deposit etc. and I was really shocked that they first wouldn't even send a build sheet but just told me a base price, that boats are 200k basically rigged and the demo boat was 245k . Next I was told there were 70 boats on order and it was 3-3.5 years and a 10k deposit 5k refundable after sea trial. Sorry but not a chance in hell. Find me 70 people to put down a deposit on a boat 69 of them haven't ridden on much yet seen at 26 feet and 200k and I got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell ya..
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Old 03-08-2019, 05:37 PM
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i was really interested in this boat and wanted one but there is no way i would even consider it now. The whole thing is almost comical. I was turned off by the fact up until a few days ago no one has ridden on one and yet they were 3 years out on a new one? Finally i figured no way that's right i'll get the info from the builder so i inquired about one price, deposit etc. And i was really shocked that they first wouldn't even send a build sheet but just told me a base price, that boats are 200k basically rigged and the demo boat was 245k . Next i was told there were 70 boats on order and it was 3-3.5 years and a 10k deposit 5k refundable after sea trial. Sorry but not a chance in hell. Find me 70 people to put down a deposit on a boat 69 of them haven't ridden on much yet seen at 26 feet and 200k and i got some oceanfront property in arizona to sell ya..
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Old 03-08-2019, 05:38 PM
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200-245K JESUS H CHRIST. You better have a way to sell some serious fish or be a charter Capt. to justify that BS. All that to hang out at a sand bar like most do on the weekend.
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Old 03-08-2019, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by T-bone123 View Post
I was really interested in this boat and wanted one but there is no way I would even consider it now. The whole thing is almost comical. I was turned off by the fact up until a few days ago no one has ridden on one and yet they were 3 years out on a new one? Finally I figured no way that's right I'll get the info from the builder so I inquired about one price, deposit etc. and I was really shocked that they first wouldn't even send a build sheet but just told me a base price, that boats are 200k basically rigged and the demo boat was 245k . Next I was told there were 70 boats on order and it was 3-3.5 years and a 10k deposit 5k refundable after sea trial. Sorry but not a chance in hell. Find me 70 people to put down a deposit on a boat 69 of them haven't ridden on much yet seen at 26 feet and 200k and I got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell ya..
sounds like a nice way of saying they dont want to take any more deposits....
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Old 03-08-2019, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
Please post a video of you fighting a big gag, heck even an AJ with 50lb drag. You'll be over the side of the boat
I commercially reef fished for years, I can assure you I've caught and landed thousands of pounds of reef fish with serious drag. No need to post any videos they don't exist, this was long before the iPhone. 50lbs of drag straight down is far different than on a trolling rod, surely you already know that though. Enjoy your light tackle and have a good one. Back to the over priced cat thread:
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by savage25xtreme View Post
sounds like a nice way of saying they dont want to take any more deposits....
sounds like BS
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by savage25xtreme View Post
sounds like a nice way of saying they dont want to take any more deposits....
that's stepping pretty far out on a line making a comment like that for a business.
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by T-bone123 View Post
I was really interested in this boat and wanted one but there is no way I would even consider it now. The whole thing is almost comical. I was turned off by the fact up until a few days ago no one has ridden on one and yet they were 3 years out on a new one? Finally I figured no way that's right I'll get the info from the builder so I inquired about one price, deposit etc. and I was really shocked that they first wouldn't even send a build sheet but just told me a base price, that boats are 200k basically rigged and the demo boat was 245k . Next I was told there were 70 boats on order and it was 3-3.5 years and a 10k deposit 5k refundable after sea trial. Sorry but not a chance in hell. Find me 70 people to put down a deposit on a boat 69 of them haven't ridden on much yet seen at 26 feet and 200k and I got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell ya..
Poor business decisions right here.
1. No way all of the "70" will have a boat built. Life happens and things change
2. 1/2 a deposit returned? Seriously, giving 5000.00 just because
3. No build sheet sent. Sounds like way to much variability at this stage due to expansion to commit to pricing. Have a 2019 price list and adjust yearly if need be. Yes GM will vary but customers will be satisfied.
4. Having someone not part of the company state "they don't want to take anymore deposits" why not, from above it appears each deposit is worth 5000.00 regardless..........
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pathfinder44 View Post
Poor business decisions right here.
1. No way all of the "70" will have a boat built. Life happens and things change
2. 1/2 a deposit returned? Seriously, giving 5000.00 just because
3. No build sheet sent. Sounds like way to much variability at this stage due to expansion to commit to pricing. Have a 2019 price list and adjust yearly if need be. Yes GM will vary but customers will be satisfied.
4. Having someone not part of the company state "they don't want to take anymore deposits" why not, from above it appears each deposit is worth 5000.00 regardless..........
that or tbone is full of it with his statements...
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by savage25xtreme View Post
that or tbone is full of it with his statements...
Can assure you I’m not. Have nothing to gain or loose. All in my emails. Like I said I was seriously interested in one. Their business model won’t get any of my money though, sorry. Coming out of a barker 26 and having owned 2 Freeman’s how much better of a target client could I be? Hope the boats everything you want it to be.
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:55 AM
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If it rides like most new age cats, I would think it would be more of an nearshore/offshore boat than a bay boat. It should out ride any 26-28' contender, yellowfin, regulator, etc. hull out there. And lots of regular folks have boats in that size range. The pricing seems a little higher than a comparable V hull, but what is the price on a new Regulator 25/26?
If the company is not producing boats yet, it is likely that they are modifying molds to make something better or fix something that isn't quite right before they start putting the boats out to the public. I would think they are into the millions invested, at this point. An acquaintance of mine has one on order. I will try to find out what slot he is in and any expected delivery date.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:11 AM
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If it was my company I would have cut off deposits at 30. Having 70 people call me asking when my boat would be done would drive me nuts. Yes they have well over 1 mil invested. The whole point of the fully refundable deposit was because there was no demo available. Now that there is a demo I agree with their non refundable deposit approach. If you dont like it get in line for a Calcutta! People are a lot less likely to waffle if they have skin in the game.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:32 AM
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Snagging 1/2 if someone’s $10k deposit after a sea trail sounds like being a dick and a piss poor business model.

Great idea to tell guys to go visit Steve at Calcutta! He is a great guy who is happy to answer the phone and return emails with build sheet prices. He will meet you at the ramp or the shop for a sea trail. Plus happy to give your $5k deposit back at anytime with no questions ask. Oh....and he has built a few hundred cats too. This is actually the best advice you have given anyone on this thread so far!

By the way keeping 70 guys happy that call enthusiastically wanting an update on when their boat is going in a mold is pretty easy customer service. Many of us have larger businesses with 1000’s of customers to keep happy. Being a small business and getting a big ego usually ends poorly.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:49 AM
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Snagging 1/2 if someone’s $10k deposit after a sea trail sounds like being a dick and a piss poor business model.

Great idea to tell guys to go visit Steve at Calcutta! He is a great guy who is happy to answer the phone and return emails with build sheet prices. He will meet you at the ramp or the shop for a sea trail. Plus happy to give your $5k deposit back at anytime with no questions ask. Oh....and he has built a few hundred cats too. This is actually the best advice you have given anyone on this thread so far!

By the way keep 70 guys happy that call enthusiastically wanting an update on when their boat is going in a mold is pretty easy customer service. Many of us have a lot larger businesses with 1000’s of customers to keep happy. Being a small business and getting a big ego usually ends poorly.
wow flatout53 you have it all figured out. You should invest a million of your own money and make boats! You would be the best at it!
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:51 AM
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This is just my shitty wild guess. I think 1 year from now they will be lucky to have delivered 8 boats, year 2 12, year 3 18, then who knows. So after 3 years, my estimate is they have completed and delivered 39 boats including the demo, the list is how long? If I had a deposit out there and my number was greater than 20, I would be concerned, especially if any of it was non refundable and there was no time constraint in the contract.

Calcutta’s deposits are completely refundable, because they don’t need the deposits to run the business. If Cayo is making deposits non refundable, that tells me at least they are being honest about not being able to give deposits back because the money was already spent.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:59 AM
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Jesus that's a lot of money for a hybrid 26... neat boat, for sure. What do all these people do for a living that they can shell this out on a boat nobody has taken delivery of yet? I make a very good income and was sweating bullets when signing on my little cape horn!
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Old 03-09-2019, 08:02 AM
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So much hate here it is unbelievable. You all must be a bunch of miserable people in real life!

Its simple really. Cayo prides themselves on build quality and will not waste time pumping out boats unless they meet their criteria. Yes, this is a new venture for them and a bigger task than building skiffs. That takes time to do it right. Get over it.
They are expanding the operation and from someone who has ridden the boat and crawled all over it, I can tell you it is bad ass. I own a Seavee and can tell you that this boat has similar levels on fit and finish.

JB at Cayo builds an awesome boat.

I would rather a builder tell me they are three years out and set a real expectation than feed me what I want to hear.



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Old 03-09-2019, 08:18 AM
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Jesus that's a lot of money for a hybrid 26... neat boat, for sure. What do all these people do for a living that they can shell this out on a boat nobody has taken delivery of yet? I make a very good income and was sweating bullets when signing on my little cape horn!
Yup we know the feeling IR. When we were looking last year that 200-245K was good for a 30' SH Contender or 29 SV dressed to the tees with tower and electronics (twin 300's for the C and twin 350's for the SV) - with a little change to boot!

Sheez...What price glory and WTF has happened in one year??? Oh well...
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So much hate here it is unbelievable. You all must be a bunch of miserable people in real life!

Its simple really. Cayo prides themselves on build quality and will not waste time pumping out boats unless they meet their criteria. Yes, this is a new venture for them and a bigger task than building skiffs. That takes time to do it right. Get over it.
They are expanding the operation and from someone who has ridden the boat and crawled all over it, I can tell you it is bad ass. I own a Seavee and can tell you that this boat has similar levels on fit and finish.

JB at Cayo builds an awesome boat.

I would rather a builder tell me they are three years out and set a real expectation than feed me what I want to hear.




The only hate I seeing is Cayo hating on a customer and trying to keep $5k of there hard earned deposit money. Try to defend that business policy!
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