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Old 04-14-2018, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenner21 View Post
I really like the boat but I can't wait that long for a new boat I'd have to change boats twice before it was done. he who hesitates.
just gives you more time to save up for upgrades on your Cayo
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Old 04-14-2018, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenner21 View Post
I really like the boat but I can't wait that long for a new boat I'd have to change boats twice before it was done. he who hesitates.
Put your deposit down now. You'll regret it later. This thing is going to be like the Freeman expect long waits until everything gets moving in production! The demand is clearly there!
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Old 04-14-2018, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Travisk View Post
In for hull 17 weíll most likely be going with the 350 Verados depending how well she holds the weight
i am all for going big, but at some point you wonder how it will effect draft and drift!? I can't wait for Jb to tell us how so I can make a final decision on power
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Old 04-14-2018, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tunadreams View Post


i am all for going big, but at some point you wonder how it will effect draft and drift!? I can't wait for Jb to tell us how so I can make a final decision on power
ride, too. Extra weight in the back is no bueno. Full livewells and 350+ hp engines is a lot on this size boat.. That much weight is just asking to porpoise like crazy

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Old 04-15-2018, 04:28 AM
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The F300 weigh 575lbs and the new Mercury 225 V6 are ~475lbs. That's 200lbs off the back in savings. I'm also going jack plates for sure. We shall see, time will tell.
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Old 04-15-2018, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
The F300 weigh 575lbs and the new Mercury 225 V6 are ~475lbs. That's 200lbs off the back in savings. I'm also going jack plates for sure. We shall see, time will tell.
i also did the new 225 with jack plates. I have a full tower an gemlux riggers. Figure I will be a 55-60 mph boat. Went for the extra fuel option, range more important the bait up here in jacksonville. We will se what The performance is with 300s, but that's lots o weight in the back. Like hanging a full live well off the transom... so excited to see what engines are best!!! Maybe it is the big dawgs and I get a faster boat
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Old 04-15-2018, 04:58 AM
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Looking forward to seeing how this boat turns out. Would be a good size option for a lot of people. I would have to go for a ride before I could ever give a deposit. In the end it’s all about the ride and build quality.
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Old 04-15-2018, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Buttapollock1010 View Post
Looking forward to seeing how this boat turns out. Would be a good size option for a lot of people. I would have to go for a ride before I could ever give a deposit. In the end itís all about the ride and build quality.
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i agree normally. JB Has made your deposit fully refundable until you see and ride the boat so you have nothing to lose! 5k down and you've got your build spot. Have fun building it in your head until your ride . Nothing to lose. If you wait, you may not see a boat for a couple years, selling like hot cakes!
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Old 04-15-2018, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tunadreams View Post


i also did the new 225 with jack plates. I have a full tower an gemlux riggers. Figure I will be a 55-60 mph boat. Went for the extra fuel option, range more important the bait up here in jacksonville. We will se what The performance is with 300s, but that's lots o weight in the back. Like hanging a full live well off the transom... so excited to see what engines are best!!! Maybe it is the big dawgs and I get a faster boat
I think that's going to be the right option in the long run unless for some reason the F300s just work perfectly.

I'm already doing leaning post live well max size possible so it's already going to have a lot of weight in the back. Also doing the larger fuel tanks
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:13 AM
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Going with Bob's jackplate?
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Old 04-15-2018, 06:41 AM
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I will have hull 10 right here in the Tampa Bay area. Not sure on power yet as I am waiting to see performance numbers. Boat will have a Stand thru tower and Bob's Jackplate's for sure.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FusionZ06 View Post
Who here is doing higher than 225HP?
V-rod 350 or 400's is the plan for mine. If the new v-6 platform expands to bigger HP we may go 300
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:29 PM
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Skin coat applied to the plug! One step closer to sea trials.

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Old 04-17-2018, 01:41 AM
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Wow - 18 deposits puts you a year and a half out as a minimum for a boat that has yet to hit the water, Its a big jump from building 18 foot skiffs to 26foot cats. Just look at all the issues Tesla is having trying to get the Model 3 built after building the Model S for years. I recognize that Cayo has brought on naval architects and is working with the glass folks, so its a not a fly-by-night approach. I have worked with a lot of small businesses over the past 40 years and have seen too many things go wrong (unplanned - from accountants embezzling funds to a flywheel coming off an engine and crush a guy's head, let alone the typical divorce or recession business killers) that unexpectedly closed a business. Don't get me wrong, I am not looking to rain on anyone's parade or wish anything bad for the folks at Cayo boat works, but don't want to encourage drinking the cool-aid either. There a some positives about this effort, for which I give props to Cayo. The mid-20 foot market needs a fresh tech update to the cat hull. The steps and small planning surfaces thru modeling coupled with vacuum infusing is a great way to go and the way we approach advanced composite material designs as well. Putting the development process out here encourages feedback from the customer base early in the process rather than the big fabricators approach of 'here is our new product - like it or not - its a standard package'. Its a fresh approach and can help a small business expand a customer base and develop a better end-product. To the early adopters, I admire your bold optimism and truly hope the product meets your expectations.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dekarate View Post
Wow - 18 deposits puts you a year and a half out as a minimum for a boat that has yet to hit the water, Its a big jump from building 18 foot skiffs to 26foot cats. Just look at all the issues Tesla is having trying to get the Model 3 built after building the Model S for years. I recognize that Cayo has brought on naval architects and is working with the glass folks, so its a not a fly-by-night approach. I have worked with a lot of small businesses over the past 40 years and have seen too many things go wrong (unplanned - from accountants embezzling funds to a flywheel coming off an engine and crush a guy's head, let alone the typical divorce or recession business killers) that unexpectedly closed a business. Don't get me wrong, I am not looking to rain on anyone's parade or wish anything bad for the folks at Cayo boat works, but don't want to encourage drinking the cool-aid either. There a some positives about this effort, for which I give props to Cayo. The mid-20 foot market needs a fresh tech update to the cat hull. The steps and small planning surfaces thru modeling coupled with vacuum infusing is a great way to go and the way we approach advanced composite material designs as well. Putting the development process out here encourages feedback from the customer base early in the process rather than the big fabricators approach of 'here is our new product - like it or not - its a standard package'. Its a fresh approach and can help a small business expand a customer base and develop a better end-product. To the early adopters, I admire your bold optimism and truly hope the product meets your expectations.
There is little to no risk to put down the deposit. If it pans out and we ride the demo hull and it's awesome we are in line ready to roll. If it's bunk then we get our money back. Seeing almost 20 deposits in such a short time is a great indicator that the market was ripe for one of these hulls. Also, me being a little up there in the build list allows for others before me to tweak and test various nuances that only come with builds.
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Old 04-17-2018, 04:54 AM
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I agree about the market need. Look at Calcutta and Tideline boats with backlogs of boats in this size. Older manufacturers - Americat & Twin-Vee could fall behind. Yes, Americat's Gen 2 was a good step forward, but that wasn't in the mid-20's length. TV updated the gunnel if I recall. Everyone else seems to be moving on to bigger boats or more refined appointments. Those who want modern hull updates and this century fabrication processes in basic fishing platform of a catamaran design, don't have a lot of options in the US. The guys in Aussie-land may have more options. There is a clear market segment for such a platform at the~100k price point. 8'6" beam for trailering, mid 20' length for low weight, performance with moderate power, shallow draft for bay use but ok for further out (conditions permitting), But the build rate of one a month isn't going to satisfy the market need. This will inevitably lead to price increases as the market may be willing to trade off price for delivery time frame. As to the deposit, I hope its in an escrow account.
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Wow. Just dumping on the whole parade.
Ive watched a lot of new cats come out in the last 5 years. I didnít see any as a real failure. There all doing fine. This should be no different. Especially with Cayos seemingly professional and methodical approach. And they do build other really good boats. Albeit smaller. But itís not like they donít know what their doing. This hull is already a smashing success. Hasnít even hit the water yet. Iím an entrepreneur. I go into things knowing I will not fail. And yet I am willing to fail. Therefore I donít.
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If you are reading the above as "a dump on the whole parade", you mis-interpretted the comments. The backlog at other builders and growing backlog at Cayo is a POSITIVE note of their success and provides clear evidence that this is a viable and a unsaturated market. (Read that there is a need that won't be satisfied with another dozen boats availably annually). I acknowledged they have a successful business line already and they are approaching from both a sound design avenue and best-practice fabrication approach. It is the low-risk, high potential payoff approach. Others have used new approaches with less success (recall a recent catamaran that failed due to a adhesive/weld issue.) However, it won't be a "smashing success" until it hits the water and proves itself. I have run far too many computational fluid dynamic simulations in my lifetime to believe they are always correct. Months of code work is backup by experimentation. (Which is why they are building hull #1). Sometimes the codes are quite close, sometimes there is something that pops up and you need to start anew. I truly hope they succeed.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not looking to rain on anyone's parade or wish anything bad for the folks at Cayo boat works, but don't want to encourage drinking the cool-aid either.
Smart man once said "Everything before the “but” is a lie".

Looks like someone is trying to keep the value of their old 26 Cat as high as possible.
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