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Old 12-27-2017, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cpflaum View Post
My business uses two very high-spec pcs. The CPUs are water-cooled.
That may be. But I am specifically addressing the EMM's on an outboard motor being dependent on coolant. I really don't like the idea. Too many things can go wrong. If I owned a G2 I would carry a spare can of freon out with me to spray on the EMM if ever needed. It's a well known trick that Electronic Techs use to determine which circuit card is bad.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Of course I agree that there is no data to show the G2 EMM is unreliable. I never claimed it was. I have consistently claimed the opposite and stated that only time will tell. I have said over and over and over that hopefully the problem has been solved. Read my post....Having said that, I have heard of EMM failures already. Just read a couple pages back and you will hear of one now. Or search the Evinrude board and you will find multiple complaints. But again....I'm not claiming that it is a widespread problem. I just know the older models had EMM issues and I have asked repeatedly for someone to specifically tell me how the new EMM is engineered different from the old one. Seahorse mentioned upgrades and modifications but many were non EMM specific. As a customer, one of my first questions would be why is the EMM still water cooled? I personally don't like the idea of my computer being dependant on coolant circulation....but that's me.

As far as a "magic number"...the onus is on you. Not me. You are the one claiming that the warranty proves reliability as fact. But if you want me to throw out a number...again, re-read my previous post that stated I would like to see 5-7 years of a product performing without major issues before I spend $25k on a "completely re-engineered technology" but that's just my opinion and I never claimed this to be a hard baseline.
Im glad we can agree that atleast up until this point g2's have proven to be reliable. Your right time will tell just how reliable. The great news is if these engines start to have issues the financial burden of repair will not fall on the owner rather on the manufacturer. No other manufacturer has taken on this risk ever. They will not even offer an extended warranty at cost to the owner. We all know warranties are money makers so why dont maufacturers offer a ten year warranty for a cost?

You seem very concerned with the emm's. Why is that you don't strike me as someone who would be interested in buying a g2.
Are you providing a public service by warning potential buyers.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
That may be. But I am specifically addressing the EMM's on an outboard motor being dependent on coolant. I really don't like the idea. Too many things can go wrong. If I owned a G2 I would carry a spare can of freon out with me to spray on the EMM if ever needed. It's a well known trick that Electronic Techs use to determine which circuit card is bad.
Every outboard with a large capacity charging system, perhaps 25 amps or more uses water cooling for the diodes to dissipate the excessive heat generated due to the system designs.

If you have a plugged up water telltale on the Yamaha F200-F225 or F250, the regulator will overheat and become damaged over time. If you severely overheat other engines, chances are there will be melting or internal damage to the regulators as some mount them on the exhaust cover areas. Some Suzukis and engines like the Yamaha F150 have had those types of issues when overheated.

The older and newer E-TEC EMMs have their diodes plus the high-current injector drivers mounted to the water-cooled heat sink metal block for efficient heat transfer. Evinrude also has safety systems built in to alert the boat operator and to limit engine power and reduce charging output should the water flow be restricted and temperatures elevate to help protect the components. The Bombardier and BRP E-TECs have better protection strategies than the old original FICHTS. The G2 models utilize a different water flow system with a screen to protect it from debris for even more reliable cooling.

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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
That may be. But I am specifically addressing the EMM's on an outboard motor being dependent on coolant. I really don't like the idea. Too many things can go wrong. If I owned a G2 I would carry a spare can of freon out with me to spray on the EMM if ever needed. It's a well known trick that Electronic Techs use to determine which circuit card is bad.
So how many Fichts/Etecs have you worked on or owned again?

If you are using the sample size of N=1, then your experience may be skewed.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
. I keep hearing about the same old EMM problems with the G2's. But as I said....I'm not in the game anymore so I can't fully trust what I'm hearing. But I trust history and again, I want someone to post some proof that the new G2's have redesigned EMM's.

'Being one of the only dumbazzes that came to work today, and leaving as soon as I hit the submit button.....I spent the last 20 mins reading thru the G-2 forum on the Etec owners site and came up with my very own condensed version of the G-2 story - Looks like some teething pains on the steering, not fully up to speed dealers improperly rigging engines, owners slow to get updates done and, drum roll please....one EMM replacement in the dozen pages I went thru. Yeah sounds like an epidemic

Seems a few posters here are confusing longevity with reliability.
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Originally Posted by seahorse View Post
The G2 EMM is completely different than the old FICHT and E-TEC models. The G2 system is much more powerful and sophisticated, along with more reliable, than the old OMC built products from 1997 through 2001 models. It's funny that OMC, who was picked clean then declared bankrupt by a George Soros investment company, had many quality control problems that are brought up even today, 18 years later. Do people still hate Chevy cars and trucks today because of the Vega engine problems and body rust from years gone by?

Too bad you cannot attend the training schools or even a training seminar on the G2 engines to appreciate the changes and improvements in all areas that contribute to better reliability, longer life, and less corrosion along with ease of service.

Being able to start with a clean slate to design a whole engine system from scratch for performance and low emissions is what makes the G2 so remarkable. The engineers listened to the techs in the field, reviewed warranty records, and spoke with customers to eliminate the bugs and idiosyncrasies of the older motors.

This applies to the EMM also. Contrary to what you stated in a post, there has been no wave of EMM failures in the G2. In fact there are hardly any in the 2-1/2 years that the G2 models have been available to the public.

In fact if there were numerous failures, you would be reading about them here on THT as the few individuals in the anti-Evinrude contingent would be headlining the problems daily. The ignition system has changed to an inductive style, no longer are there high voltages and a CD capacitor that ran hot and sometimes failed in the old old EMMs. The cooling system has been enlarged and more components are temperature regulated than in the past. There are dual pressure sensors for barometric and for exhaust pressure readings instead of the single module. Stator voltages, voltage regulation, charging systems, etc. are all different and redesigned for more stability.

If you can, check out the G2 training info and software. As an old fart in this business and very well-versed in the DFI engines since 1996 when they first came out, I am impressed with the engineering on the G2, and the technology.

Many old-timers mutter that they are afraid the new stuff and still want to adjust points and replace condensers annually. I am not one of those.

Check out under the hood of the G2, study the designs, and you have already either seen or heard about their performance, low-end torque, and exceptional fuel economy from many owners here on THT. Ain't no motor perfect, but the G2 is the only one I've seen in over 40 years that addresses the little things that bugged techs and owners in past years. You owe it to yourself to learn more about the fine details of the G2 series, the factory did their homework.
thank you for this Seahorse, when I finally do get newer or even new boat to take advantage of the 10 year warrantee, I am very seriously considering the G2 Evinrude. Many years of Japanese car ownership has taught me (ie 2 head gasket failures on Subaru EJ25 vs Jeep 4.0 six head never been off) that everything coming from the land of the rising sun is not 100% perfect and I would love to buy an engine from a US/Can based company. We will see what the deals are at the Nassau Boat show this year that is held in the Grumman Studios building. Anyone know what was built there way back 1965-1968? Hint: out of this world!

Oh and PS:
Back behind my property where I keep the boat in summer, by now all the boats are out of the water, except for a few hard core fishermen. And one, is a little Wellcraft that has a G1, sits there all winter!
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
So how many Fichts/Etecs have you worked on or owned again?

If you are using the sample size of N=1, then your experience may be skewed.
Ughhhh....several. I could dig up old WO's from 2009 but I believe it doesn't matter because most people here simply want to believe something and are not being objective. I can tell you this....every customer of mine that owned Fichts/Etecs had EMM problems. My last job was swapping out two Etecs on a customers boat because of numerous EMM failures. But again.....tis is old news and those who don't accept the EMM issue is simply in denial and there is nothing no one can say to them.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Ughhhh....several. I could dig up old WO's from 2009 but I believe it doesn't matter because most people here simply want to believe something and are not being objective. I can tell you this....every customer of mine that owned Fichts/Etecs had EMM problems. My last job was swapping out two Etecs on a customers boat because of numerous EMM failures. But again.....tis is old news and those who don't accept the EMM issue is simply in denial and there is nothing no one can say to them.


I'm throwing the BS flag on this one,
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Ughhhh....several. I could dig up old WO's from 2009 but I believe it doesn't matter because most people here simply want to believe something and are not being objective. I can tell you this....every customer of mine that owned Fichts/Etecs had EMM problems. My last job was swapping out two Etecs on a customers boat because of numerous EMM failures. But again.....tis is old news and those who don't accept the EMM issue is simply in denial and there is nothing no one can say to them.
Yeah....I worked on them from 2005-2009 also..I don;t remember that many EMMs being bad.

maybe a handful at most.
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
Yeah....I worked on them from 2005-2009 also..I don;t remember that many EMMs being bad.

maybe a handful at most.
Most likely a location specific problem. Areas where there are very shallow waters coupled and boaters that are incapable of keeping the boat in the channel would see a higher frequency of hot or overheated EMMs because they clogged up the EMM cooling circuit with sand/silt. If the sand/silt isn't cleaned out of the cooling circuit (which includes the vapor separator and the outlet to the leg) they just keep having the same problem over and over and over and then blame it on the EMM when the problem isn't really the EMM.
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Originally Posted by Whaler27 View Post
Most likely a location specific problem. Areas where there are very shallow waters coupled and boaters that are incapable of keeping the boat in the channel would see a higher frequency of hot or overheated EMMs because they clogged up the EMM cooling circuit with sand/silt. If the sand/silt isn't cleaned out of the cooling circuit (which includes the vapor separator and the outlet to the leg) they just keep having the same problem over and over and over and then blame it on the EMM when the problem isn't really the EMM.
I've definitely seen that happen already, but that was part of the procedure was to make sure you had proper flow though the VST.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
every customer of mine that owned Fichts/Etecs had EMM problems.
Every one????? Really??? I NEVER had any problems, let alone an EMM issue, on my Etec. Are you sure, it wasn't your mechanical skills, that had a helping hand, with the EMM issues on all those motors?
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I've definitely seen that happen already, but that was part of the procedure was to make sure you had proper flow though the VST.
I get a sense that not everyone spent time looking for the root cause which is how we end up hearing about multiple problematic EMMs.

On one of my Ficht 225s I got a clogged up VST which restricted the flow just enough at about 4000 RPM to set off the hot EMM warning and drop the motor into the SAFE mode. I thought I had cleaned out the EMM cooling circuit but later got the alarm again when running in some rough water. Turned out on the second cleaning attempt I found a shell fragment in the VST that was just big enough to clog the outlet enough to restrict flow. I figured that fragment was just randomly floating around in the VST and when the "planets lined up just right" like on that rough water day that bugger got in the way of the outlet without passing through it and restricted flow. Once I found it and got it out, everything was good after that for a 150+ hours until I sold the boat. Never was a problematic EMM just a PIA shell fragment.

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Originally Posted by Whaler27 View Post
I get a sense that not everyone spent time looking for the root cause which is how we end up hearing about multiple problematic EMMs.

On one of my Ficht 225s I got a clogged up VST which restricted the flow just enough at about 4000 RPM to set off the hot EMM warning and drop the motor into the SAFE mode. I thought I had cleaned out the EMM cooling circuit but later got the alarm again when running in some rough water. Turned out on the second cleaning attempt I found a shell fragment in the VST that was just big enough to clog the outlet enough to restrict flow. I figured that fragment was just randomly floating around in the VST and when the "planets lined up just right" like on that rough water day that bugger got in the way of the outlet without passing through it and restricted flow. Once I found it and got it out, everything was good after that for a 150+ hours until I sold the boat. Never was a problematic EMM just a PIA shell fragment.
Yep...same thing can happen we you burn up a cylinder due to a bad oil line. Everyone assumes the injector got stuck and that's what cooked it.
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I spent some time BS'ing with a charter operator in T&C that had owned several pairs of Etecs, he did comment that they would "plug up" easier than other motors when operated in shallow/sandy water but otherwise had been faultless to him...and no EMM replacements.
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I spent some time BS'ing with a charter operator in T&C that had owned several pairs of Etecs, he did comment that they would "plug up" easier than other motors when operated in shallow/sandy water but otherwise had been faultless to him...and no EMM replacements.
Before someone says you made that up...here's proof of Fichts in Turks and Caicos!




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'Being one of the only dumbazzes that came to work today, and leaving as soon as I hit the submit button.....I spent the last 20 mins reading thru the G-2 forum on the Etec owners site and came up with my very own condensed version of the G-2 story - Looks like some teething pains on the steering, not fully up to speed dealers improperly rigging engines, owners slow to get updates done and, drum roll please....one EMM replacement in the dozen pages I went thru. Yeah sounds like an epidemic

Seems a few posters here are confusing longevity with reliability.
Your conclusion is flawed because your input was from an owners forum. You need to survey non owners and those with a financial stake in a competitor then you will find many many unresolved issue's with etec/g2 technology also dont exclude best friends father in law and baby mommas in your search.
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Before someone says you made that up...here's proof of Fichts in Turks and Caicos
Same boat was on the other side of the parking lot when I was there, right by the marina in Provo.
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Every one????? Really??? I NEVER had any problems, let alone an EMM issue, on my Etec. Are you sure, it wasn't your mechanical skills, that had a helping hand, with the EMM issues on all those motors?
Yeah....your right. It was my bad skills that sent the EMM out to get rebuilt and then the motor ran like a top for another 300 hrs or so. You are an idiot...
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Wait....reading information about many failed ETEC G1 EMM failures on the owners forum is not credible?



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Your conclusion is flawed because your input was from an owners forum. You need to survey non owners and those with a financial stake in a competitor then you will find many many unresolved issue's with etec/g2 technology also dont exclude best friends father in law and baby mommas in your search.

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