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Old 12-23-2017, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dolphin Dave View Post
Most likely.. i know you can monitor your motors through your depth finder i just didn't know it works the other way around. It would be something if you can tell exactly how close your lower unit is to the bottom...Then again i hate to learn something here..
its probably just able to display the numerical data that is put on the nmea2k network. I am doing a rewire of my boat now so I will look into doing this for my 7" screen. Pretty cool
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
I suspect the longest warranty in marine history is more about trying to further sales than it is about expressing the quality of a product. A gamble is being taken that future sales can be used to pay for warranty costs. By any engine maker.

Company's don't generally do stuff for the benefit of the consumer. They do stuff for the benefit of the company. If the consumer wins a bit, so be it. Bump the price of a product up by whatever amount it takes to include a feature that the consumer wants, to include a bit of profit from that feature. If sales don't suffer then both the company and the consumer win.

There are costs for both extending the base warranty and for including a service contract. Those costs are embedded within the price of the product. Same with a propeller. Motors do not come with a propeller from Evinrude. If a propeller is on the motor when the motor is delivered to the buyer the costs for the propeller will be within the contract price. Not much in life is truly free.

The latest BRP financial data does not indicate that a quality product and the longest warranty and extended service contract in history are doing much to improve sales. Maybe they will come up with another scheme.
Stop making sense! Figured you would show for that one.
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Originally Posted by Dolphin Dave View Post
I hate to derail yet another wonderful E-thread...But i see a depth reading on that screen is that really built in to the lower unit? Or is that just communicating with an external unit?
Dolphin Dave, Everything is networked. The motors, LCD, fuel tanks, oil tanks, batteries, MFDs,etc. are connected via NMEA connections. The motors and LCD do however have their own GPS receiver for speed from what I understand.

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Originally Posted by captain28570 View Post
The G2's might be great motors or they might end up having problems. Who knows.

But one thing for sure is the warranty service is amazing. They will do everything to get you fixed up and quick as possible.

They don't make excuses like Yamaha does.

I couldn't imagine Yamaha with even an 8 year warranty. I would love to see you get the last 2 years warrantied without a law suit
7 years on my F70.
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Originally Posted by colostomizer View Post
so when were you in "the "game" ? did ya get a touchdown?
i am asking because i am told in yamaha time that an engine from 2005 has exceeded its useful life. especially when the exhaust stack and block rotted out. now mind you this was on a engine that also had 2 ecu failures. the first one the computer thought it was a twin engine setup and continuously sounded the alarm. the second was a ignition driver failure that left me looking at a tow line.
so my question to you is why do you hold a 17 year old motor and design from 1 manufacturer to a different standard than another? by the way i am extremely happy with the performance and reliability of both of my g-2's and of brp's support with 1 warranty claim. when i broke the fitting for the gearcase reservoir off.
I'll ignore the "touchdown" comment because seriously, you sound like a second grader. As far as "why do you hold a 17 year old motor and design from 1 manufacturer to a different standard than another?".....dude, what the hell are you rambling on about? Are you on dope right now because I made no comment either way. For the love of all things rational....re-read the post where I draw a clear distinction between companies with problems on specific models between specific time frames and companies that have systematic failures on every model covering all time frames.

My "game" was that I owned one of only a few companies in the upper Keys that serviced Ficht's and Etech's. But you don't have to own a service company to know that the EMM problems were a known issue to everyone that worked on them. Just because you know people that own Etech's without EMM failures does not mean that there weren't systematic failures with thier EMM's on every model. You want to know how widespread the EMM problem was? Back before 2010 when I owned my service company, there was a company in Alabama set up and all they did was repair EMM's for Ficht and Etechs. That was thier only job and the factory dealers even sent thier EMM's to them. So please...let me try again....

Your just simply sticking your head in the sand if you don't know about this issue. The problem was so widespread that I would diagnose the problem over the phone and simply order the rebuilt EMM without even showing up to the motor and troubleshooting. Ask me how many times I was wrong?

Believe it or not, I have no agenda. I am rooting for the G2's. I want them to succeed. I am a fan. I made money servicing Yamaha, Etech and Merc's and the money spends all the same. But unless I see articles or diagrams showing where they have completely redesigned thier EMM's to get rid of the past issue that ruined thier name, I wouldn't trust them. Now....since I am logical, I stated earlier that after 5-7 years of fullproof running without widespread EMM failures, I may be sold. But it's not starting off too good from the reports I have read. I keep hearing about the same old EMM problems with the G2's. But as I said....I'm not in the game anymore so I can't fully trust what I'm hearing. But I trust history and again, I want someone to post some proof that the new G2's have redesigned EMM's.

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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
I'll ignore the "touchdown" comment because seriously, you sound like a second grader. My "game" was that I owned one of only a few companies in the upper Keys that serviced Ficht's and Etech's. I realize that logic will not make any difference to you because you are incapable of either thinking objectively....or simply thinking at all, but just because you know people that own Etech's without EMM failures does not mean that there weren't systematic failures with thier EMM's on every model. Please....for the love of all things rational....re -read the post where I draw a clear distinction between companies with problems on specific models between specific time frames and companies that have systematic failures on every model covering all time frames. You don't have to own a Service company to know that the EMM problems were a known issue to everyone that worked on them. The problem was so widespread that I would diagnose the problem over the phone and simply order the rebuilt EMM without even showing up to the motor and troubleshooting. Ask me how many times I was wrong?
Believe it or not, I have no agenda. I am rooting for the G2's. I want them to succeed. I made money servicing Yamaha, Etech and Merc's and the money spends all the same. But unless i see service bulletins or diagrams where they have completely redesigned thier EMM's to get rid of the issue, I wouldn't trust them. Now....since I am logical, I stated earlier that after 5-7 years of fullproof running without widespread EMM failures, I may be sold. But it's not starting off too good from the reports I have read. I keep hearing the same old stuff but as I said....I'm not in the game anymore so I can't trust what I'm hearing. But I trust history and again, I want someone to post some proof that the new G2's have redesigned EMM's.
Gotta love the retired "pros" that lump Fichts and Etechs together..So how deep is the snow?
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
I'll ignore the "touchdown" comment because seriously, you sound like a second grader. As far as "why do you hold a 17 year old motor and design from 1 manufacturer to a different standard than another?".....dude, what the hell are you rambling on about? Are you on dope right now because I made no comment either way.

My "game" was that I owned one of only a few companies in the upper Keys that serviced Ficht's and Etech's. I realize that logic will not make any difference to you because you are incapable of either thinking objectively....or simply thinking at all, but just because you know people that own Etech's without EMM failures does not mean that there weren't systematic failures with thier EMM's on every model. So please...let me try again....

For the love of all things rational....re-read the post where I draw a clear distinction between companies with problems on specific models between specific time frames and companies that have systematic failures on every model covering all time frames. You don't have to own a service company to know that the EMM problems were a known issue to everyone that worked on them. Your just simply sticking your head in the sand if you don't know about this issue. The problem was so widespread that I would diagnose the problem over the phone and simply order the rebuilt EMM without even showing up to the motor and troubleshooting. Ask me how many times I was wrong?

Believe it or not, I have no agenda. I am rooting for the G2's. I want them to succeed. I am a fan. I made money servicing Yamaha, Etech and Merc's and the money spends all the same. But unless I see articles or diagrams showing where they have completely redesigned thier EMM's to get rid of the past issue that ruined thier name, I wouldn't trust them. Now....since I am logical, I stated earlier that after 5-7 years of fullproof running without widespread EMM failures, I may be sold. But it's not starting off too good from the reports I have read. I keep hearing about the same old EMM problems with the G2's. But as I said....I'm not in the game anymore so I can't fully trust what I'm hearing. But I trust history and again, I want someone to post some proof that the new G2's have redesigned EMM's.
wow so you were a shoot from the hip repair technician "don't even need to show up and troubleshoot". could be a bad emm or a bad battery either way your customer gets a new emm. nice business model i guess. btw merry christmas.
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I’m talking the bigger motors. Like 150 and above.


How did you get 7 from Yamaha?

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7 years on my F70.
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For those out of the game, it is E-TEC rather than Etech. I lost an EMM on my 250 at around 900 hours. It ran fine, but it wouldn't stop throwing a check engine alarm. It was also within just a few hours of abusing through mud. I missed a channel in the marsh by a few feet, and was left without floating at dusk in the winter. I chose to get myself floating again instead of spending a cold night in the boat, even if it fried the outboard to do it. Oh well, but let's not pretend like it is as widespread as some claim. Anything can break.

Those EMMs are water cooled, so it can be a problem. My mechanic could tell mine had been overheated. I told him after describing my incident, "I guess so."

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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
I want someone to post some proof that the new G2's have redesigned EMM's.





The G2 EMM is completely different than the old FICHT and E-TEC models. The G2 system is much more powerful and sophisticated, along with more reliable, than the old OMC built products from 1997 through 2001 models. It's funny that OMC, who was picked clean then declared bankrupt by a George Soros investment company, had many quality control problems that are brought up even today, 18 years later. Do people still hate Chevy cars and trucks today because of the Vega engine problems and body rust from years gone by?

Too bad you cannot attend the training schools or even a training seminar on the G2 engines to appreciate the changes and improvements in all areas that contribute to better reliability, longer life, and less corrosion along with ease of service.

Being able to start with a clean slate to design a whole engine system from scratch for performance and low emissions is what makes the G2 so remarkable. The engineers listened to the techs in the field, reviewed warranty records, and spoke with customers to eliminate the bugs and idiosyncrasies of the older motors.

This applies to the EMM also. Contrary to what you stated in a post, there has been no wave of EMM failures in the G2. In fact there are hardly any in the 2-1/2 years that the G2 models have been available to the public.

In fact if there were numerous failures, you would be reading about them here on THT as the few individuals in the anti-Evinrude contingent would be headlining the problems daily. The ignition system has changed to an inductive style, no longer are there high voltages and a CD capacitor that ran hot and sometimes failed in the old old EMMs. The cooling system has been enlarged and more components are temperature regulated than in the past. There are dual pressure sensors for barometric and for exhaust pressure readings instead of the single module. Stator voltages, voltage regulation, charging systems, etc. are all different and redesigned for more stability.

If you can, check out the G2 training info and software. As an old fart in this business and very well-versed in the DFI engines since 1996 when they first came out, I am impressed with the engineering on the G2, and the technology.

Many old-timers mutter that they are afraid the new stuff and still want to adjust points and replace condensers annually. I am not one of those.

Check out under the hood of the G2, study the designs, and you have already either seen or heard about their performance, low-end torque, and exceptional fuel economy from many owners here on THT. Ain't no motor perfect, but the G2 is the only one I've seen in over 40 years that addresses the little things that bugged techs and owners in past years. You owe it to yourself to learn more about the fine details of the G2 series, the factory did their homework.
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
I suspect the longest warranty in marine history is more about trying to further sales than it is about expressing the quality of a product. A gamble is being taken that future sales can be used to pay for warranty costs. By any engine maker.

Company's don't generally do stuff for the benefit of the consumer. They do stuff for the benefit of the company. If the consumer wins a bit, so be it. Bump the price of a product up by whatever amount it takes to include a feature that the consumer wants, to include a bit of profit from that feature. If sales don't suffer then both the company and the consumer win.

There are costs for both extending the base warranty and for including a service contract. Those costs are embedded within the price of the product. Same with a propeller. Motors do not come with a propeller from Evinrude. If a propeller is on the motor when the motor is delivered to the buyer the costs for the propeller will be within the contract price. Not much in life is truly free.

The latest BRP financial data does not indicate that a quality product and the longest warranty and extended service contract in history are doing much to improve sales. Maybe they will come up with another scheme.
At least they stand behind their product unlike Yamaha does . Corrosion issues that they knew about with their dry exhaust but never stood behind it or would their harmonic balancer issue be to tough for them to stand behind . Yamaha is the toughest of the outboard to get to perform on their warranty or stand behind their product defects .
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Originally Posted by seahorse View Post
The G2 EMM is completely different than the old FICHT and E-TEC models. The G2 system is much more powerful and sophisticated, along with more reliable, than the old OMC built products from 1997 through 2001 models. It's funny that OMC, who was picked clean then declared bankrupt by a George Soros investment company, had many quality control problems that are brought up even today, 18 years later. Do people still hate Chevy cars and trucks today because of the Vega engine problems and body rust from years gone by?

Too bad you cannot attend the training schools or even a training seminar on the G2 engines to appreciate the changes and improvements in all areas that contribute to better reliability, longer life, and less corrosion along with ease of service.

Being able to start with a clean slate to design a whole engine system from scratch for performance and low emissions is what makes the G2 so remarkable. The engineers listened to the techs in the field, reviewed warranty records, and spoke with customers to eliminate the bugs and idiosyncrasies of the older motors.

This applies to the EMM also. Contrary to what you stated in a post, there has been no wave of EMM failures in the G2. In fact there are hardly any in the 2-1/2 years that the G2 models have been available to the public.

In fact if there were numerous failures, you would be reading about them here on THT as the few individuals in the anti-Evinrude contingent would be headlining the problems daily. The ignition system has changed to an inductive style, no longer are there high voltages and a CD capacitor that ran hot and sometimes failed in the old old EMMs. The cooling system has been enlarged and more components are temperature regulated than in the past. There are dual pressure sensors for barometric and for exhaust pressure readings instead of the single module. Stator voltages, voltage regulation, charging systems, etc. are all different and redesigned for more stability.

If you can, check out the G2 training info and software. As an old fart in this business and very well-versed in the DFI engines since 1996 when they first came out, I am impressed with the engineering on the G2, and the technology.

Many old-timers mutter that they are afraid the new stuff and still want to adjust points and replace condensers annually. I am not one of those.

Check out under the hood of the G2, study the designs, and you have already either seen or heard about their performance, low-end torque, and exceptional fuel economy from many owners here on THT. Ain't no motor perfect, but the G2 is the only one I've seen in over 40 years that addresses the little things that bugged techs and owners in past years. You owe it to yourself to learn more about the fine details of the G2 series, the factory did their homework.
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Originally Posted by SCAngler View Post
At least they stand behind their product unlike Yamaha does . Corrosion issues that they knew about with their dry exhaust but never stood behind it or would their harmonic balancer issue be to tough for them to stand behind . Yamaha is the toughest of the outboard to get to perform on their warranty or stand behind their product defects .
My dad just bought a boat from a friend of mine, he owned it for 17 years and repowered with a NOS 2005 f150 in 2007 Yamaha replaced his balancer 6 mos out of warranty. So, my guess would be that many of the warranty issues with Yamaha have more to do with the dealer than the manufacturer.

A 10 year warranty on the new ETECs is in no way a reflection on the reliability of the product. It is only a sales promotion. A calculated risk by the manufacturer that higher sales will offset the cost of future repairs. Do you think they would be offering it if motors were flying off the shelves at higher than anticipated rates while only offering a 3 year warranty?

I've owned several old Jonsonrudes over the years, more recently a suzuki 4 stroke that gave 600 trouble free hours over 4 years and now a Yamaha that's been great for 300+ in 18 months. Don't really care which motor you have on your boat I'm happy with mine and hope you're happy with yours. The reasons I chose what I chose are likely different than yours, which is why we made different choices.

We all should be thankful we have THT as a resource to highlight all the know issues with each platform and make an informed calculated decision when making our own purchases.
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A 10 year warranty on the new ETECs is in no way a reflection on the reliability of the product. It is only a sales promotion. A calculated risk by the manufacturer that higher sales will offset the cost of future repairs. Do you think they would be offering it if motors were flying off the shelves at higher than anticipated rates while only offering a 3 year warranty?
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Your right a calculated risk. If they were unreliable what do you think that calculation would be? They would need to calculate a lot of repair cost into the price of the engine, yet compare there cost with Yamaha for what you get. Fly by wire and power assist and see what you come up with in terms of a new outboard repower cost.

Once again unreliable products are incentivized not through the longest warrantty in industry history rather through pricing or financing incentives.
I happen to believe all outboards are reliable these days, so the important things to compare are performance, fuel economy, service cost, dealer,warranty, features and purchase price.
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Your right a calculated risk. If they were unreliable what do you think that calculation would be? They would need to calculate a lot of repair cost into the price of the engine, yet compare there cost with Yamaha for what you get.
The fallacy in that logic is that you are assuming they know it's unreliable. Since the motor, as others have claimed, has been completely re-engineered then there is no data supporting this logic. That is why the 10 year warranty is a sales promotion...pure and simple.
The bottom line is that only time will tell. Hopefully their EMM's will hold up and not succumb to previous known issues. Personally, I would like to see them get away from a water cooled brain as that was one reason for past reliability issues.

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The fallacy in that logic is that you are assuming they know it's unreliable. Since the motor, as others have claimed, has been completely re-engineered then there is no data supporting this logic. That is why the 10 year warranty is a sales promotion...pure and simple.
The bottom line is that only time will tell. Hopefully their EMM's will hold up and not succumb to previous known issues. Personally, I would like to see them get away from a water cooled brain as that was one reason for past reliability issues.
So you agree there is no reason at this point to suggest that it is unreliable. You just want to see how it does when it gets to be X amount of years old. So what is the magic number, how long must the g2 be out before being reliable?
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So you agree there is no reason at this point to suggest that it is unreliable. You just want to see how it does when it gets to be X amount of years old. So what is the magic number, how long must the g2 be out before being reliable?
Of course I agree that there is no data to show the G2 EMM is unreliable. I never claimed it was. I have consistently claimed the opposite and stated that only time will tell. I have said over and over and over that hopefully the problem has been solved. Read my post....Having said that, I have heard of EMM failures already. Just read a couple pages back and you will hear of one now. Or search the Evinrude board and you will find multiple complaints. But again....I'm not claiming that it is a widespread problem. I just know the older models had EMM issues and I have asked repeatedly for someone to specifically tell me how the new EMM is engineered different from the old one. Seahorse mentioned upgrades and modifications but many were non EMM specific. As a customer, one of my first questions would be why is the EMM still water cooled? I personally don't like the idea of my computer being dependant on coolant circulation....but that's me.

As far as a "magic number"...the onus is on you. Not me. You are the one claiming that the warranty proves reliability as fact. But if you want me to throw out a number...again, re-read my previous post that stated I would like to see 5-7 years of a product performing without major issues before I spend $25k on a "completely re-engineered technology" but that's just my opinion and I never claimed this to be a hard baseline.
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I know on some hybrid cars the computers are liquid cooled. Heat is the killer of all electronics. Although weirdly enough Cummins likes to bolt their ecu right on the side of the engine block. That's a lot of heat and vibration.
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,,, Seahorse mentioned upgrades and modifications but many were non EMM specific. As a customer, one of my first questions would be why is the EMM still water cooled? I personally don't like the idea of my computer being dependant on coolant circulation....but that's me.
My business uses two very high-spec pcs. The CPUs are water-cooled.
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Originally Posted by seahorse View Post
The G2 EMM is completely different than the old FICHT and E-TEC models. The G2 system is much more powerful and sophisticated, along with more reliable, than the old OMC built products from 1997 through 2001 models. It's funny that OMC, who was picked clean then declared bankrupt by a George Soros investment company, had many quality control problems that are brought up even today, 18 years later. Do people still hate Chevy cars and trucks today because of the Vega engine problems and body rust from years gone by?

Too bad you cannot attend the training schools or even a training seminar on the G2 engines to appreciate the changes and improvements in all areas that contribute to better reliability, longer life, and less corrosion along with ease of service.

Being able to start with a clean slate to design a whole engine system from scratch for performance and low emissions is what makes the G2 so remarkable. The engineers listened to the techs in the field, reviewed warranty records, and spoke with customers to eliminate the bugs and idiosyncrasies of the older motors.

This applies to the EMM also. Contrary to what you stated in a post, there has been no wave of EMM failures in the G2. In fact there are hardly any in the 2-1/2 years that the G2 models have been available to the public.

In fact if there were numerous failures, you would be reading about them here on THT as the few individuals in the anti-Evinrude contingent would be headlining the problems daily. The ignition system has changed to an inductive style, no longer are there high voltages and a CD capacitor that ran hot and sometimes failed in the old old EMMs. The cooling system has been enlarged and more components are temperature regulated than in the past. There are dual pressure sensors for barometric and for exhaust pressure readings instead of the single module. Stator voltages, voltage regulation, charging systems, etc. are all different and redesigned for more stability.

If you can, check out the G2 training info and software. As an old fart in this business and very well-versed in the DFI engines since 1996 when they first came out, I am impressed with the engineering on the G2, and the technology.

Many old-timers mutter that they are afraid the new stuff and still want to adjust points and replace condensers annually. I am not one of those.

Check out under the hood of the G2, study the designs, and you have already either seen or heard about their performance, low-end torque, and exceptional fuel economy from many owners here on THT. Ain't no motor perfect, but the G2 is the only one I've seen in over 40 years that addresses the little things that bugged techs and owners in past years. You owe it to yourself to learn more about the fine details of the G2 series, the factory did their homework.




Just went through OB2 and OB3 back to back. G2 is a big jump forward. After OB3, pretty much prefer working on a G2 for the ease/simplicity over a G1. We have a bunch of G1's out there but the G2 is gaining a little ground here. Still have the old farts that are leery of new technology. It'll take time.

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