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Old 12-10-2017, 10:51 AM
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We still do not know the reliability aspect. The yamaha F2** was/is a VERY reliable motor. Up until the first reports of corrosion (~8 years after production??), it had as good of a reputation as it gets. Even with the corrosion issues, its a very reliable motor. I hope in 5-6 years the G2 reliability is as good as we're hearing today.
I am a fan of the G2, although, part of me thinks they are running on that fine line between performance and reliability with the low oil usage and power. I also think they under-rate their motors to make them more attractive against the competition. Not that this is a bad thing, but again, competitive advantage at play.
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Originally Posted by Texas 17 View Post
It was $43k out the door with idock at FLIBS.


one 2013 etec g1 300 out the door April 2013 from a dealer in south Texas was $23.800...

and yes I want to buy a pair G2 300 one day
Old 12-10-2017, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
If 10 years of coverage is what it takes BRP Evinrude to make the number of sales they are after then so be it. Other engine makers don't apparently need to offer that much coverage. It has nothing to do with the quality, reliability or longevity of the product. Just business.
But you're not going to offer a 10 year warranty unless you have absolute confidence in your product are you - I think the 10 year warranty is both a statement of the faith the company has in the build quality as well as a statement as to how they want to look after their customers. Just business? Of course it is - building a reliable product and looking after your customers are two of the most powerful ways to win more business.
Old 12-10-2017, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Clinker View Post
But you're not going to offer a 10 year warranty unless you have absolute confidence in your product are you - I think the 10 year warranty is both a statement of the faith the company has in the build quality as well as a statement as to how they want to look after their customers. Just business? Of course it is - building a reliable product and looking after your customers are two of the most powerful ways to win more business.
All mothers have faith in their sons and all manufacturer's have faith in their products.

When it comes to ten years of coverage (3 via warranty and 7 via contract) certainly there needs to be enough confidence in the product such that the warranty/contract claims costs won't exceed the warranty cost revenue embedded within the price of the motor and/or the profit received from the sale of the service contract. It is a simple matter of knowing (forecasting really) future warranty and service contract costs and making sure there will be enough money on hand to pay for same.

Certainly building a quality product and looking after customers are two essentials of being in business. All engine makers today do this IMO. Some have differentiators, such as a 7 year service contract such as that offered by BRP Evinrude, that try and set them apart.
Old 12-10-2017, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
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It has nothing to do with the quality, reliability or longevity of the product. Just business.
Thats where your wrong. If they did not build a quality long lasting product then there incentive to sell would be a lower cost and or financing incentives. They wouldnt risk warrantee pay outs on a poorly designed product with a low service life.
Old 12-10-2017, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Why not offer a three year warranty and a seven year extended service contract, no matter the quality of the product being lesser or greater than a different product. It makes business sense for them to do so.

The costs to BRP Evinrude for the warranty and the extended service contract are all factored into the price of the product. BRP is not out any money. Actually, on the extended service contracts they make money. It is good profit generator for BRP and their dealers. Same for Mercury, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Tohatsu.

If 10 years of coverage is what it takes BRP Evinrude to make the number of sales they are after then so be it. Other engine makers don't apparently need to offer that much coverage. It has nothing to do with the quality, reliability or longevity of the product. Just business.

I can usually disagree with alloyboy pretty readily but in this case...it really is that simple. Build in an extra 2K up front for warranty cost expecting every tenth or so motor will need $XXX of warranty repairs and you're golden.

I plan to put a pair of G2's on a 31 Fountain in the next year or 3 and the 10 year warranty means about nothing to me - like most I find myself trading boats every 3 years or so. And all of the warranty in the world means exactly squat when you've trailered 500 miles for a much anticipated vacation and the boat doesnt go vroom when you hit the key.
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Originally Posted by paulyjsob View Post
We still do not know the reliability aspect. The yamaha F2** was/is a VERY reliable motor. Up until the first reports of corrosion (~8 years after production??), it had as good of a reputation as it gets. Even with the corrosion issues, its a very reliable motor. I hope in 5-6 years the G2 reliability is as good as we're hearing today.
I am a fan of the G2, although, part of me thinks they are running on that fine line between performance and reliability with the low oil usage and power. I also think they under-rate their motors to make them more attractive against the competition. Not that this is a bad thing, but again, competitive advantage at play.
Oh please....Stop interjecting logic, reason, truth and common sense into a discussion ripe with people on both sides of the fence falling at the altars as fast as thier knees will drop.
Old 12-11-2017, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by timothyj View Post
lol, that was me. power steering pump seized.
Sorry for the late reply, but I just wanted to say that was some GREAT THINKING getting your steering rigged to get home!
Old 12-12-2017, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by opti250onglasstream View Post
Sorry for the late reply, but I just wanted to say that was some GREAT THINKING getting your steering rigged to get home!
Haha thanks. I’m just thankful it was good weather with no emergencies.
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Can we just get back to discussing you liking or dis liking your G 2's (with pics if possible)
because I'm looking out my window at mine all wrapped up with 4" of snow covering its beautiful figure
I know "she" wants to get out and show her figure but I told her this morning......GOD I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!
I need to hit lotto and move!
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Originally Posted by jakeo62 View Post
Can we just get back to discussing you liking or dis liking your G 2's (with pics if possible)
because I'm looking out my window at mine all wrapped up with 4" of snow covering its beautiful figure
I know "she" wants to get out and show her figure but I told her this morning......GOD I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!
I need to hit lotto and move!
You and me both.
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Originally Posted by planerboard View Post
Thats where your wrong. If they did not build a quality long lasting product then there incentive to sell would be a lower cost and or financing incentives. They wouldnt risk warrantee pay outs on a poorly designed product with a low service life.
Huh?
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Originally Posted by jakeo62 View Post
Can we just get back to discussing you liking or dis liking your G 2's (with pics if possible)
because I'm looking out my window at mine all wrapped up with 4" of snow covering its beautiful figure



Ah: at last, after 16 pages and 310 posts, finally an actual unhappy G2 owner

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Old 12-23-2017, 05:08 AM
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Man, I finally saw a pair of G2 300 at the ramp. With me in the process of getting a new boat with my heart set on G2, It was broken after speaking to the owner

I was at vilano beach boat ramp and they were on a 35 donzi. I said "sweet motors man, you loving them?" He replied back that he hates them, major problems with ECM, always some kind of issue popping up and he's over it and repowering with mercury.

Man, my heart sunk. I guess there are lemons out there like any product. But now I have a small seed of doubt about my future power
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What I don't like about the G-2's.........I don't have one! When they came out,I thought they were the ugliest thing to be developed..Kinda have grown on Me though.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocnizer1 View Post
Man, I finally saw a pair of G2 300 at the ramp. With me in the process of getting a new boat with my heart set on G2, It was broken after speaking to the owner

I was at vilano beach boat ramp and they were on a 35 donzi. I said "sweet motors man, you loving them?" He replied back that he hates them, major problems with ECM, always some kind of issue popping up and he's over it and repowering with mercury.

Man, my heart sunk. I guess there are lemons out there like any product. But now I have a small seed of doubt about my future power
One of the guys in my fishing club had recurring problems with his G2. After 4 service visits, BRP replaced his engine with a new one. He now loves his engine.
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Originally Posted by Brocnizer1 View Post
Man, I finally saw a pair of G2 300 at the ramp. With me in the process of getting a new boat with my heart set on G2, It was broken after speaking to the owner

I was at vilano beach boat ramp and they were on a 35 donzi. I said "sweet motors man, you loving them?" He replied back that he hates them, major problems with ECM, always some kind of issue popping up and he's over it and repowering with mercury.

Man, my heart sunk. I guess there are lemons out there like any product. But now I have a small seed of doubt about my future power
Contrary to many of the fan boys here, the EMM problems are a commonly known problem that every service company knows about. People who don't think objectively and want to love Evinrude 2 strokes no matter what, make every excuse under the sun and simply live in denial....mainly by comparing other competitors faults. Yes other competitors have faults but they are usually faults that affected only a certain model during a certain time frame. Every model of FICHT and Evinrude have been plagued by the bad EMM. Not every motor, mind you, but every make and model have a good chance of the dreaded EMM failure every 300-400 hrs.
Having said that, I shut my shop down before the G2's came on the market so I have no opinion on the G2 EMMS except that I read an article about a year ago stating there were not any design improvements on thier computer. Again....I'm rooting for the G2's and would love to see them become a reliable major player, but IMO, given all of the issues of thier former motors, I personally would wait many years before purchasing a G2 after reviewing all of the data,
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The point is that every now and then, the factory will put out a lemon. As I noted above, the fellow I know that got one had his engine replaced by BRP. Pretty good service, eh? The EMMs have not been a systemic issue for some time.

With the G1, there were EMM problems on the early units. BRP fixed them and since then the G1 has been pretty much bullet-proof. The G2s have proven reliable and, according to the owner of my local dealer, don't have an unusual level of problems.

The real issue is systemic problems due to poor design, QA, and QC. Etecs have not had these issues compared to another brand that will remain unnamed.
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Originally Posted by cpflaum View Post
The point is that every now and then, the factory will put out a lemon. As I noted above, the fellow I know that got one had his engine replaced by BRP. Pretty good service, eh? The EMMs have not been a systemic issue for some time.

With the G1, there were EMM problems on the early units. BRP fixed them and since then the G1 has been pretty much bullet-proof. The G2s have proven reliable and, according to the owner of my local dealer, don't have an unusual level of problems.

The real issue is systemic problems due to poor design, QA, and QC. Etecs have not had these issues compared to another brand that will remain unnamed.
Not saying I disagree but can you state any evidence that the EMM failure has been corrected? Any service docs or design change evidence. I haven't seen any but again, I'm out of the game now.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Not saying I disagree but can you state any evidence that the EMM failure has been corrected? Any service docs or design change evidence. I haven't seen any but again, I'm out of the game now.
It was a redesign of the EMM cooling (as you probably remember, the EMM was cooled by the fuel) over five years ago. Seahorse would know the exact date.

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