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Old 12-09-2017, 02:39 PM
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I'm not happy....cause I can't justify buying a new pair of 300's at $50K
Old 12-09-2017, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mommasworry View Post
I'm not happy....cause I can't justify buying a new pair of 300's at $50K
The OP asked the question for owners. If you cant justify spending the coin then your not an owner in which case you dont have a vote and you certainly cant have an opinion about the quality or value of the engine.
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Originally Posted by mommasworry View Post
I'm not happy....cause I can't justify buying a new pair of 300's at $50K
It was $43k out the door with idock at FLIBS.
Old 12-09-2017, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 270Handiman View Post
So BRP is aware of this aviation based life expectancy for 2-stoke engines, and yet is still willing to offer a 10 year warranty on their marine engines? Sounds like somebody should let Yamaha know so that they can start offering at least a 10 year warranty because they sell 4-strokes which last longer than 2-strokes, yet their warranty is only 3 years.
Evinrude needs any and every competitive advantage it can get to gain market share. IMO most boaters are most interested in a reliable product. The warranty gives people some reassurance. Yamaha doesn't need to go 10 years.. besides, it seems like a couple times per year you can get 6 years. Same with merc and Suzuki.
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Originally Posted by 270Handiman View Post
I'm not sure what this long-held physics theory that 2-strokes don't last as long is, but my YAMAHA 2-stroke is seventeen years old, has over 5000 hours on it, and runs perfectly. I run charters on it every week and average about 300 hours a year. And that's my 'newest' 2-stroke......my oldest is a 1968, and I have a 1973, a 1979, and a 1985, all different HP's, and all run just fine to this this day.
It's a commonly accepted science with the two different types of combustible engines. A 4 stroke has an explosion only half the time, shortening the life of the piston, in theory. Now of course, the more money a company spends on R&D will increase any engine's longevity but with all things equal on a simple 2 stroke vs 4 stroke engine, the 4 stroke last much longer.
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Originally Posted by Elgreco809 View Post
4 strokes have more moving parts with potential for failure though. Just ask GM about bad timing chains in their 3.6 v6.
Yes....in general that is true. But I am not addressing specific failures by specific companies. Again, I said if you design a simple 2 stroke and 4 stroke engine, all things being equal a two stroke will need rebuilding in almost half the time.
As far a 4 strokes having more moving parts....nowadays that's not entirely true. The newer 2 strokes are packed with moving parts (valves, etc..) and complicated technologies that make it compete with the 2 stroke inefficiency problems.
Believe me, if 2 strokes were inherently more reliable and the longevities were equal, car companies would have embraced them and our highways would be packed with two strokes.
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Originally Posted by paulyjsob View Post
Evinrude needs any and every competitive advantage it can get to gain market share. IMO most boaters are most interested in a reliable product. The warranty gives people some reassurance. Yamaha doesn't need to go 10 years.. besides, it seems like a couple times per year you can get 6 years. Same with merc and Suzuki.
As someone who has tried to claim on a warranty with Yamaha, I would go for the Evinrude every time even if the warranties were equal - with Evinrude offering a 10 year warranty it's a no brainer. Look at the automotive world - the cars with the longest warranties are the makes that are generally the most reliable. To me Evinrude's 10 year warranty is a great indication of their faith in their product - it would be commercial suicide to offer a warranty on any product that you didn't expect to have minimal claims on

If I were in the position to buy, Evinrude's warranty would not give me some reassurance, it would give me total reassurance.

And let's face it, if Yamaha had have offered a 10 year warranty on their products 15 years ago it would probably have closed their outboard division down - instead they let their customers pick up the tab for all those failed 225s.

Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Believe me, if 2 strokes were inherently more reliable and the longevities were equal, car companies would have embraced them and our highways would be packed with two strokes.
They very nearly did - Optimax was originally developed as a car engine for Ford, but the plug was pulled because of concerns about market acceptance - from the struggle Evinrude have, even though they have a superb engine, I would say it was probably the right call.


BTW this is the first time I've looked at this thread in a while - I'm not about to read though it all, but 15 pages in, has their actually been a unhappy G2 owner found yet?

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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Yes....in general that is true. But I am not addressing specific failures by specific companies. Again, I said if you design a simple 2 stroke and 4 stroke engine, all things being equal a two stroke will need rebuilding in almost half the time.
As far a 4 strokes having more moving parts....nowadays that's not entirely true. The newer 2 strokes are packed with moving parts (valves, etc..) and complicated technologies that make it compete with the 2 stroke inefficiency problems.
Believe me, if 2 strokes were inherently more reliable and the longevities were equal, car companies would have embraced them and our highways would be packed with two strokes.
Yeah 2 strokes need DI and such to compete emissions wise with simpler port fuel injection on four strokes. I'm sure we will see direct fuel injection on four strokes eventually. Rebuilding a 2 strokes is generally much easier than a 4 stroke.
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I wonder if Yamaha will just offer 20 year warranties one day since they are guaranteed to last twice as long?..It just might justify the cost to paint them.
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Find a different dealer. That price is very high.

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I'm not happy....cause I can't justify buying a new pair of 300's at $50K
Old 12-09-2017, 07:45 PM
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The G2's might be great motors or they might end up having problems. Who knows.

But one thing for sure is the warranty service is amazing. They will do everything to get you fixed up and quick as possible.

They don't make excuses like Yamaha does.

I couldn't imagine Yamaha with even an 8 year warranty. I would love to see you get the last 2 years warrantied without a law suit
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Feedback from owners, trusted dealerships, and mechanics tell the story.
G1 has been solid, G2 is being referred to as amazing among the long term outboard people
In this industry a long time.
If the product wasn’t good.....not sure they’d risk a 10 year warranty.
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
It comes from industry. If and when the life of a motor is estimated then the two stroke will typically have a lesser estimated life than will a four stroke.

Take a look at BRP Rotax, the sister company of BRP Evinrude. They (Rotax) make airplane motors. Two strokes and four strokes. In aviation, an estimated life for the motor is usually provided. Rotax suggests the life of their two stroke motors to be much less, in hours, than they suggest for their four stroke motors.

This is not to say that two strokes will not exceed the life of some four strokes. Some two strokes will outlive the life of some four strokes. All things being equal however, the average life, in operational hours, of a four stroke will exceed the average life, in operational hours, of a two stroke. The pressurized oiling system of a four stroke is probably the major part of the increased life.
There is quite a difference in those engines, the 2 stroke has a very high output for its weight, about 85 % of the hp at 50% of the weight. Build it to the same hp per lb as the 4stroke for a valid comparison.
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A dedicated recycling oiling system is the 4 Stroke's biggest advantage, versus the 2 Stroke's total-loss lubrication. And that goes hand in hand with longevity. Or it used to. With new piston materials, and todays's synthetic oils, and computerized oil targeting, parts are not as vulnerable as they once were, despite the elevated temps brought on by the short duration fuel-cooling properties of direct injection. I expect the G2 to have a very long life, but only time will tell.
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Man, lots to read.

I will be getting etec G2 soon. Either 200ho or 250 twins to possibly go on an ocean runner 29.

Which dealers in FL are giving the best rates on them? From my understanding Carlos will rig it so I don't need the dealer for that
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Originally Posted by Brocnizer1 View Post
Man, lots to read.

I will be getting etec G2 soon. Either 200ho or 250 twins to possibly go on an ocean runner 29.

Which dealers in FL are giving the best rates on them? From my understanding Carlos will rig it so I don't need the dealer for that
Gulf Coast Marine in Naples did mine.
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Originally Posted by Brocnizer1 View Post
Man, lots to read.

I will be getting etec G2 soon. Either 200ho or 250 twins to possibly go on an ocean runner 29.

Which dealers in FL are giving the best rates on them? From my understanding Carlos will rig it so I don't need the dealer for that
The best price I got at FLIBS was Jamie at Coastline Marine. I talked to a few other guys but he was around $2k less than the next best.
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Originally Posted by paulyjsob View Post
Evinrude needs any and every competitive advantage it can get to gain market share. IMO most boaters are most interested in a reliable product. The warranty gives people some reassurance. Yamaha doesn't need to go 10 years.. besides, it seems like a couple times per year you can get 6 years. Same with merc and Suzuki.
Exactly.

Manufacturers do not extend the period of the basic warranty or offer extended service contracts on the basis of the quality of the product. Or because they have a desire to help their customers. Or because they believe in the product. They do so in the interest of furthering sales. Or increasing revenue and profits.

Give me a more reliable motor with less warranty/contract life than a less reliable motor with more warranty/contract life.
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Originally Posted by 270Handiman View Post
So BRP is aware of this aviation based life expectancy for 2-stoke engines, and yet is still willing to offer a 10 year warranty on their marine engines? Sounds like somebody should let Yamaha know so that they can start offering at least a 10 year warranty because they sell 4-strokes which last longer than 2-strokes, yet their warranty is only 3 years.
Why not offer a three year warranty and a seven year extended service contract, no matter the quality of the product being lesser or greater than a different product. It makes business sense for them to do so.

The costs to BRP Evinrude for the warranty and the extended service contract are all factored into the price of the product. BRP is not out any money. Actually, on the extended service contracts they make money. It is good profit generator for BRP and their dealers. Same for Mercury, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Tohatsu.

If 10 years of coverage is what it takes BRP Evinrude to make the number of sales they are after then so be it. Other engine makers don't apparently need to offer that much coverage. It has nothing to do with the quality, reliability or longevity of the product. Just business.
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Originally Posted by planerboard View Post
The OP asked the question for owners. If you cant justify spending the coin then your not an owner in which case you dont have a vote and you certainly cant have an opinion about the quality or value of the engine.

^^^^This^^^^

It never ceases to amaze me, how people can post an opinion about a product and have zero experience with the product.


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Exactly.

Manufacturers do not extend the period of the basic warranty or offer extended service contracts on the basis of the quality of the product. Or because they have a desire to help their customers. Or because they believe in the product. They do so in the interest of furthering sales. Or increasing revenue and profits.

Give me a more reliable motor with less warranty/contract life than a less reliable motor with more warranty/contract life.
Looks like you can have both, when you buy an Evinrude. Reliable motor and a long warranty.
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