Any unhappy Evinrude G2 owners out there?
#282
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The OP asked the question for owners. If you cant justify spending the coin then your not an owner in which case you dont have a vote and you certainly cant have an opinion about the quality or value of the engine.
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So BRP is aware of this aviation based life expectancy for 2-stoke engines, and yet is still willing to offer a 10 year warranty on their marine engines? Sounds like somebody should let Yamaha know so that they can start offering at least a 10 year warranty because they sell 4-strokes which last longer than 2-strokes, yet their warranty is only 3 years.
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I'm not sure what this long-held physics theory that 2-strokes don't last as long is, but my YAMAHA 2-stroke is seventeen years old, has over 5000 hours on it, and runs perfectly. I run charters on it every week and average about 300 hours a year. And that's my 'newest' 2-stroke......my oldest is a 1968, and I have a 1973, a 1979, and a 1985, all different HP's, and all run just fine to this this day.
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As far a 4 strokes having more moving parts....nowadays that's not entirely true. The newer 2 strokes are packed with moving parts (valves, etc..) and complicated technologies that make it compete with the 2 stroke inefficiency problems.
Believe me, if 2 strokes were inherently more reliable and the longevities were equal, car companies would have embraced them and our highways would be packed with two strokes.
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Evinrude needs any and every competitive advantage it can get to gain market share. IMO most boaters are most interested in a reliable product. The warranty gives people some reassurance. Yamaha doesn't need to go 10 years.. besides, it seems like a couple times per year you can get 6 years. Same with merc and Suzuki.
If I were in the position to buy, Evinrude's warranty would not give me some reassurance, it would give me total reassurance.
And let's face it, if Yamaha had have offered a 10 year warranty on their products 15 years ago it would probably have closed their outboard division down - instead they let their customers pick up the tab for all those failed 225s.
BTW this is the first time I've looked at this thread in a while - I'm not about to read though it all, but 15 pages in, has their actually been a unhappy G2 owner found yet?
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Yes....in general that is true. But I am not addressing specific failures by specific companies. Again, I said if you design a simple 2 stroke and 4 stroke engine, all things being equal a two stroke will need rebuilding in almost half the time.
As far a 4 strokes having more moving parts....nowadays that's not entirely true. The newer 2 strokes are packed with moving parts (valves, etc..) and complicated technologies that make it compete with the 2 stroke inefficiency problems.
Believe me, if 2 strokes were inherently more reliable and the longevities were equal, car companies would have embraced them and our highways would be packed with two strokes.
As far a 4 strokes having more moving parts....nowadays that's not entirely true. The newer 2 strokes are packed with moving parts (valves, etc..) and complicated technologies that make it compete with the 2 stroke inefficiency problems.
Believe me, if 2 strokes were inherently more reliable and the longevities were equal, car companies would have embraced them and our highways would be packed with two strokes.
#289
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I wonder if Yamaha will just offer 20 year warranties one day since they are guaranteed to last twice as long?..It just might justify the cost to paint them.
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The G2's might be great motors or they might end up having problems. Who knows.
But one thing for sure is the warranty service is amazing. They will do everything to get you fixed up and quick as possible.
They don't make excuses like Yamaha does.
I couldn't imagine Yamaha with even an 8 year warranty. I would love to see you get the last 2 years warrantied without a law suit
But one thing for sure is the warranty service is amazing. They will do everything to get you fixed up and quick as possible.
They don't make excuses like Yamaha does.
I couldn't imagine Yamaha with even an 8 year warranty. I would love to see you get the last 2 years warrantied without a law suit

#292

Feedback from owners, trusted dealerships, and mechanics tell the story.
G1 has been solid, G2 is being referred to as amazing among the long term outboard people
In this industry a long time.
If the product wasn’t good.....not sure they’d risk a 10 year warranty.
G1 has been solid, G2 is being referred to as amazing among the long term outboard people
In this industry a long time.
If the product wasn’t good.....not sure they’d risk a 10 year warranty.
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#293
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It comes from industry. If and when the life of a motor is estimated then the two stroke will typically have a lesser estimated life than will a four stroke.
Take a look at BRP Rotax, the sister company of BRP Evinrude. They (Rotax) make airplane motors. Two strokes and four strokes. In aviation, an estimated life for the motor is usually provided. Rotax suggests the life of their two stroke motors to be much less, in hours, than they suggest for their four stroke motors.
This is not to say that two strokes will not exceed the life of some four strokes. Some two strokes will outlive the life of some four strokes. All things being equal however, the average life, in operational hours, of a four stroke will exceed the average life, in operational hours, of a two stroke. The pressurized oiling system of a four stroke is probably the major part of the increased life.
Take a look at BRP Rotax, the sister company of BRP Evinrude. They (Rotax) make airplane motors. Two strokes and four strokes. In aviation, an estimated life for the motor is usually provided. Rotax suggests the life of their two stroke motors to be much less, in hours, than they suggest for their four stroke motors.
This is not to say that two strokes will not exceed the life of some four strokes. Some two strokes will outlive the life of some four strokes. All things being equal however, the average life, in operational hours, of a four stroke will exceed the average life, in operational hours, of a two stroke. The pressurized oiling system of a four stroke is probably the major part of the increased life.
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A dedicated recycling oiling system is the 4 Stroke's biggest advantage, versus the 2 Stroke's total-loss lubrication. And that goes hand in hand with longevity. Or it used to. With new piston materials, and todays's synthetic oils, and computerized oil targeting, parts are not as vulnerable as they once were, despite the elevated temps brought on by the short duration fuel-cooling properties of direct injection. I expect the G2 to have a very long life, but only time will tell.
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Man, lots to read.
I will be getting etec G2 soon. Either 200ho or 250 twins to possibly go on an ocean runner 29.
Which dealers in FL are giving the best rates on them? From my understanding Carlos will rig it so I don't need the dealer for that
I will be getting etec G2 soon. Either 200ho or 250 twins to possibly go on an ocean runner 29.
Which dealers in FL are giving the best rates on them? From my understanding Carlos will rig it so I don't need the dealer for that
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Gulf Coast Marine in Naples did mine.
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The best price I got at FLIBS was Jamie at Coastline Marine. I talked to a few other guys but he was around $2k less than the next best.
#298
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Evinrude needs any and every competitive advantage it can get to gain market share. IMO most boaters are most interested in a reliable product. The warranty gives people some reassurance. Yamaha doesn't need to go 10 years.. besides, it seems like a couple times per year you can get 6 years. Same with merc and Suzuki.
Manufacturers do not extend the period of the basic warranty or offer extended service contracts on the basis of the quality of the product. Or because they have a desire to help their customers. Or because they believe in the product. They do so in the interest of furthering sales. Or increasing revenue and profits.
Give me a more reliable motor with less warranty/contract life than a less reliable motor with more warranty/contract life.
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So BRP is aware of this aviation based life expectancy for 2-stoke engines, and yet is still willing to offer a 10 year warranty on their marine engines? Sounds like somebody should let Yamaha know so that they can start offering at least a 10 year warranty because they sell 4-strokes which last longer than 2-strokes, yet their warranty is only 3 years.
The costs to BRP Evinrude for the warranty and the extended service contract are all factored into the price of the product. BRP is not out any money. Actually, on the extended service contracts they make money. It is good profit generator for BRP and their dealers. Same for Mercury, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Tohatsu.
If 10 years of coverage is what it takes BRP Evinrude to make the number of sales they are after then so be it. Other engine makers don't apparently need to offer that much coverage. It has nothing to do with the quality, reliability or longevity of the product. Just business.
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^^^^This^^^^
It never ceases to amaze me, how people can post an opinion about a product and have zero experience with the product.
Exactly.
Manufacturers do not extend the period of the basic warranty or offer extended service contracts on the basis of the quality of the product. Or because they have a desire to help their customers. Or because they believe in the product. They do so in the interest of furthering sales. Or increasing revenue and profits.
Give me a more reliable motor with less warranty/contract life than a less reliable motor with more warranty/contract life.
Manufacturers do not extend the period of the basic warranty or offer extended service contracts on the basis of the quality of the product. Or because they have a desire to help their customers. Or because they believe in the product. They do so in the interest of furthering sales. Or increasing revenue and profits.
Give me a more reliable motor with less warranty/contract life than a less reliable motor with more warranty/contract life.