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Old 12-08-2017, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by xp8103 View Post
I'm going to say that anything larger than the 300 will require a different powerhead. The 3.4l is their 200-300 while the 2.7 is their 150-200. It's all about the tuning. I wonder if they've reached the edge of what the 3.4 can do in its current config? I'm willing to bet that they see the 300-400 range as an actual market like Merc and Yamaha do.
Not sure that it needs a different power head. They have not deployed their R.A.V.E. system. The small displacement BRP Rotax E-TEC 2-stroke motors with the R.A.V.E. system used in their Skidoos are making nearly 190 HP per liter (about 2X as compared to Evinrude E-TEC motors). The limiting factor is probably the amount of fuel that the injectors can get into the cylinder. Of course these smaller motors are reving higher.
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Originally Posted by BassnBays View Post
That pricing is high. This is straight off of our price list:

OUTBOARDS:
All outboard pricing includes 25” shaft motor, controls, gauges, control cables, wiring harnesses, key switch, stainless steel prop and rigging labor.

Evinrude 2 Stroke
E-Tec G2 150 ...$14,690
E-Tec G2 150 H.O. ...$16,690
E-Tec G2 175 ...$17,380
E-Tec G2 200 ...$18,470
That's a solid price on a 150g2
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Old 12-08-2017, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by About Time View Post
When my project's done there will be a G2 ( maybe a G3 by then ) hanging off the back. I called Evinrude to see if a 400 was in the works to debut in Miami show next year. She chuckled and said they are working on smaller hp g2's. As far as the 400 she wont know untill a news release.
RUMOR HAS IT -- They are coming out with a 4.5 liter V8 that can turn 7000 RPM with there RAVE VALVE system used on Seadoo's. They just added 2 more cylinders to the 3.4 liter block and added the RAVE with H beam rods.
Just kidding, but it sure would be nice!
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Old 12-08-2017, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Whaler27 View Post
Not sure that it needs a different power head. They have not deployed their R.A.V.E. system. The small displacement BRP Rotax E-TEC 2-stroke motors with the R.A.V.E. system used in their Skidoos are making nearly 190 HP per liter (about 2X as compared to Evinrude E-TEC motors). The limiting factor is probably the amount of fuel that the injectors can get into the cylinder. Of course these smaller motors are reving higher.
This is the neat thing about 2 stroke tech using a RAVE valve.

How do you get more HP from a two stroke? Spin it faster and/or make it easier for air to get into the engine. If displacement stays the same normally you tend to trade HP for torque doing this. Well along comes Mr RAVE valve and guess what....the peak torque does rise, but the whole graph is elevated from low rpm to high, in turn making it seem as if you had your cake and ate it too, i.e. gained HP and Tq with out increasing displacement.

From what I remember, even with the old injectors, 75hp per injector was a reliable number.
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Old 12-08-2017, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by opti250onglasstream View Post
RUMOR HAS IT -- They are coming out with a 4.5 liter V8 that can turn 7000 RPM with there RAVE VALVE system used on Seadoo's. They just added 2 more cylinders to the 3.4 liter block and added the RAVE with H beam rods.
Just kidding, but it sure would be nice!
Just think about that on paper.

lightest V8 with the most torque in it's class, leading fuel efficiency, and Zero Maintenance for 5 years with a 10 year warranty, but you have to put oil in the reservoir.


hmmmm....
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Old 12-08-2017, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by xp8103 View Post
I'm going to say that anything larger than the 300 will require a different powerhead. The 3.4l is their 200-300 while the 2.7 is their 150-200. It's all about the tuning. I wonder if they've reached the edge of what the 3.4 can do in its current config? I'm willing to bet that they see the 300-400 range as an actual market like Merc and Yamaha do.
Speaking of market or marketing, a 7000 RPM 2 stroke V8 would sell itself if it was faster than any other outboard on the market and reliable. I believe this would help ETEC sales and marketing, but the bean counters may not agree.
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Old 12-08-2017, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
This is the neat thing about 2 stroke tech using a RAVE valve.

How do you get more HP from a two stroke? Spin it faster and/or make it easier for air to get into the engine. If displacement stays the same normally you tend to trade HP for torque doing this. Well along comes Mr RAVE valve and guess what....the peak torque does rise, but the whole graph is elevated from low rpm to high, in turn making it seem as if you had your cake and ate it too, i.e. gained HP and Tq with out increasing displacement.

From what I remember, even with the old injectors, 75hp per injector was a reliable number.
The only thing I can think of that would limit torque is the number of intake ports per cylinder.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by xp8103 View Post
I'm going to say that anything larger than the 300 will require a different powerhead.
Originally Posted by Whaler27 View Post
Not sure that it needs a different power head. They have not deployed their R.A.V.E. system. The small displacement BRP Rotax E-TEC 2-stroke motors with the R.A.V.E. system used in their Skidoos are making nearly 190 HP per liter (about 2X as compared to Evinrude E-TEC motors). The limiting factor is probably the amount of fuel that the injectors can get into the cylinder. Of course these smaller motors are reving higher.
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This is the neat thing about 2 stroke tech using a RAVE valve.

How do you get more HP from a two stroke? Spin it faster and/or make it easier for air to get into the engine.
For 20 years now racers have been tuning carbed 2.5L Mercs to 330 HP - not an everymans daily driver motor for sure but is fairly easy to tweak HP from a 2 stroke and 'speshully so with the new tech available today. Taking a 3.4L to 350 HP is cake. Add variable intake geometry and 400 HP is probably available at 6500 RPM.

That said 4+ Liters of DI 2 stroke would be the shiznit.
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Originally Posted by opti250onglasstream View Post
Speaking of market or marketing, a 7000 RPM 2 stroke V8 would sell itself if it was faster than any other outboard on the market and reliable. I believe this would help ETEC sales and marketing, but the bean counters may not agree.
You would think so...but as much as I like Etec's I think it would not sell very well.

The litmus test is going to be how much market share the Zuke 350s take from Yamaha and Merc.

I can see a G2 350 RAVE before a V8 not matter how much better it would be than another V8.

In addition to that, the BRP having dealer pricing all over the place doesn't help either.
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Originally Posted by opti250onglasstream View Post
The only thing I can think of that would limit torque is the number of intake ports per cylinder.
The ports are pretty sizable on the new block.

Another thing they have going for them is that they can raise the comp ratio pretty high given they use direct injection, that's good for more torques.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
that's good for more torques.
Is that the same as shrimps ??

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Originally Posted by HTJ View Post
For 20 years now racers have been tuning carbed 2.5L Mercs to 330 HP - not an everymans daily driver motor for sure but is fairly easy to tweak HP from a 2 stroke and 'speshully so with the new tech available today. Taking a 3.4L to 350 HP is cake. Add variable intake geometry and 400 HP is probably available at 6500 RPM.

That said 4+ Liters of DI 2 stroke would be the shiznit.
Yep...when I worked on mercs it was fairly easy to turn a stock 2.5L 200 into a FauxMax as i'd call it.

Basically, get the Pro Marine Pistons and rod bolts, balance the rotating assembly, 2.0L heads and cut them down so compression is a little north of 150psi, open up and smooth out the intake ports, put a 7 petal intake on the engine, advance the timing some and then jet the engine correctly, take off the rev limiter (depends on how if you have carbs of a horn) throw in a race exhaust tuner and cut the bucket, there ya go. 280-300 Hp on the cheap.




4 liters of two stroke power would be insane.
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Originally Posted by HTJ View Post
Is that the same as shrimps ??

The more torques your motor makes the faster to can push the skimmers and the more shrimps you catch!!
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
You would think so...but as much as I like Etec's I think it would not sell very well.

The litmus test is going to be how much market share the Zuke 350s take from Yamaha and Merc.

I can see a G2 350 RAVE before a V8 not matter how much better it would be than another V8.

In addition to that, the BRP having dealer pricing all over the place doesn't help either.
Although I don't think a V8 Etec makes much sense, I do agree with you on the pricing. Transparent pricing helps the industry and consumers. Look at the auto industry and other products. Price is open front and center. One thing I see also is not only discrepancy in prices but consumers not making apples to apples comparisons.

For the G2, you can't compare a competitor 4 cyl 200 to a 200 HO on price. The steering alone is quite a bit more money. The 2.7 G2 is much closer. There is quite a bit of discrepancy in what is being offered from features to rigging. Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by WavetoWave View Post
Although I don't think a V8 Etec makes much sense, I do agree with you on the pricing. Transparent pricing helps the industry and consumers. Look at the auto industry and other products. Price is open front and center. One thing I see also is not only discrepancy in prices but consumers not making apples to apples comparisons.

For the G2, you can't compare a competitor 4 cyl 200 to a 200 HO on price. The steering alone is quite a bit more money. The 2.7 G2 is much closer. There is quite a bit of discrepancy in what is being offered from features to rigging. Just a thought.
Yep...those are all very good points.

IMO...and it probably would cost just way too much money, but BRP should Take their G2 150, Their G2 200 HO and their G2 250 HO and test them on as many popular boats as possible and publish performance reports.

That would help with what engines performs which way.

Another thing that BRP can do and would help with the transparent pricing is that make the pricing process through their website.

For example, you fill out a form on the webpage, your contact info, your boat make/model and then it goes to 5 closest dealers, you may get 2 dealers close by and 3 very far away, but at least you have a average of pricing.

Dealers shouldn't complain too much about that, because at the end of the day you have three buyers,
1. only care about the price
2. Don't care about the price but customer service is top priority
3. People who are concerned about the price but are also really care about customer service.

Everyone can make money on that process and everyone can make money.
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:48 AM
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After I hit this Power Ball tonight I'm going personally finance the R&D and tooling for the V8 G2 R.A.V.E. to power my Freeman Berky Lightspeed ;-)
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
The more torques your motor makes the faster to can push the skimmers and the more shrimps you catch!!
Me likes me some shrimps. Me likes me some torques.
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"Any unhappy Evinrude G2 owners out there?"

Getting back on track and to answer the OP's question, there should be few unhappy G2 owners. Few sales equates to few unhappy yappy owners. Same with Honda. Sell low and get low unhappy yappy Honda owners. When was the last time this place was inundated with Honda owner's complaining?

There are two business models. Sell tons of sh1t and get many unhappy owners. Sell less and get less unhappy owners. One gets aggravation from many customers and skewed statistics on the inner web while the other has peace and tranquility from customers not calling.

Apparently folks were asleep in the business 101 class.
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Getting back on track and to answer the OP's question.....

Yeah that was on track

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[QUOTE=midcap;10908465]You would think so...but as much as I like Etec's I think it would not sell very well.

The litmus test is going to be how much market share the Zuke 350s take from Yamaha and Merc.

I can see a G2 350 RAVE before a V8 not matter how much better it would be than another V8.

Yep, I agree, on the litmus Zuke test. The V6 would be cheaper to mass produce, but the V8 may have more torque for heavy applications

In addition to that, the BRP having dealer pricing all over the place doesn't help either.

Yep, I agree again with the with the crazy pricing.
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