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Old 11-29-2017, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
This is what I never understood.

big block HPDIs were riddled with problems, small blocks had injector driver issues, yet when the 4 strokes came out, all sins were forgiven.

BRP, comes out with the G2 and everyone wants to make them pay for sins of their past.

I just don't understand why one company gets the pass and the other doesn't.

I will also agree that besides for some corrosion issues early on Suzuki makes a solid product that is priced right. I remember when Johnson rebadged Zukes...everyone liked them.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:57 AM
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Homeby I am absolutely with you in spirit, I am still clinging to my Merc smokers for all of the same reasons - a beta tester I am not.

It absolutely does seem, from dockside banter anyways, that Optis and Etecs of late are either flawless for their owners or problematic from the git go. The 4 strokes are less of a dice roll to be sure.

Edit: Yam 4 strokes remain firmly in last place on my list of engines to own
Old 11-29-2017, 09:39 AM
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I guess my" problematic" 2007. G1 175 etec has been a fluke of a motor for the last 10 years (not one issue).......I'll give it 5 more years til brp can " prove "this new technology to me before I hang a g2 on the back ......
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
This is what I never understood.

big block HPDIs were riddled with problems, small blocks had injector driver issues, yet when the 4 strokes came out, all sins were forgiven.

BRP, comes out with the G2 and everyone wants to make them pay for sins of their past.

I just don't understand why one company gets the pass and the other doesn't.

I will also agree that besides for some corrosion issues early on Suzuki makes a solid product that is priced right. I remember when Johnson rebadged Zukes...everyone liked them.
Yes....but that kind of proves my point. HPDI's were two stroke...no? Yammies "sins weren't forgiven"....people turned away from direct injection two strokes because the four stroke technology was simply much more reliable. Yamaha, Evinrude and Merc simply didn't offer a good enough competitor for 4 stroke reliability and longevity. But to stay with your analogy, if Evinrude would have jumped on the 4 stroke bandwagon, they probably would be just as popular as Yamaha because thier product would probably have been very reliable.
Look, I remember the transition like it was yesterday because it was my livelihood. It was BIG news when Ficht and Opti's came out with a 2 stroke motor that could live up to EPA standards. But then came the debacle of Ficht and the decision of Yamaha and Merc (working together sometimes) to put thier resources in 4 stroke engineering. They produced great, reliable products and the rest is history. I couldn't give away Ficht or Etec motors and every new motor being installed was a 4 stroke.
It's going to take a hell of a product to get the tide turning the other way. Is G2 the product? Maybe....time will tell.
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10 pages of this thread simply because the bashers felt they needed to be heard, even though the OP explained that those opinions were not welcomed. It must the goodness of their hearts to save us all from taking a different path. Imagine how many pages if we had THT member who regrets a G2 purchase.
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Originally Posted by trout25red View Post
10 pages of this thread simply because the bashers felt they needed to be heard, even though the OP explained that those opinions were not welcomed. It must the goodness of their hearts to save us all from taking a different path. Imagine how many pages if we had THT member who regrets a G2 purchase.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Yes....but that kind of proves my point. HPDI's were two stroke...no? Yammies "sins weren't forgiven"....people turned away from direct injection two strokes because the four stroke technology was simply much more reliable. Yamaha, Evinrude and Merc simply didn't offer a good enough competitor for 4 stroke reliability and longevity. But to stay with your analogy, if Evinrude would have jumped on the 4 stroke bandwagon, they probably would be just as popular as Yamaha because thier product would probably have been very reliable.
Look, I remember the transition like it was yesterday because it was my livelihood. It was BIG news when Ficht and Opti's came out with a 2 stroke motor that could live up to EPA standards. But then came the debacle of Ficht and the decision of Yamaha and Merc (working together sometimes) to put thier resources in 4 stroke engineering. They produced great, reliable products and the rest is history. I couldn't give away Ficht or Etec motors and every new motor being installed was a 4 stroke.
It's going to take a hell of a product to get the tide turning the other way. Is G2 the product? Maybe....time will tell.
It was a stroke of genius on Yamaha's part. Make a model so unreliable with quick failures (big block HPDI with detonation) that when it got replaced by a more reliable part that failed much later (F225 with mid-section corrosion) the boaters were in love with it and flocked to own it. Hell, even Mercury Marine wanted to buy the F225 from Yamaha, paint it black, and call it their own.
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
It was a stroke of genius on Yamaha's part. Make a model so unreliable with quick failures (big block HPDI with detonation) that when it got replaced by a more reliable part that failed much later (F225 with mid-section corrosion) the boaters were in love with it and flocked to own it. Hell, even Mercury Marine wanted to buy the F225 from Yamaha, paint it black, and call it their own.
So.....what is your point?
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
It's going to take a hell of a product to get the tide turning the other way. Is G2 the product? Maybe....time will tell.
How much time? How long has the G2 been out now? What if the tide never turns? Will it really matter? Don't think so.

Appears IMO that BRP is content with the sales of the G2 as they are. Nothing wrong with that. Seems that some THT'rs are more concerned about the lack of G2 sales than BRP are.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
So.....what is your point?
This is THT. Is a point needed?
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Charlie Moore has a G2 250 on the back of his new bass boat......so there’s that.
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Originally Posted by Fatbill View Post
Still far far less than Yammi fanboys coming to bash Etecs .And they come on these threads with no experience and literally deny Etec torque and fuel burn numbers and other factual real world information. You at least don't get that from the Etec fanboys. Find the last time I've ever been on a Yamaha thread, and you will find no mention of Etec, just me sharing my knowledge from owning one in attempt to help out.

And I'm assuming your talking about this: Yamaha 150 -200 hp

And that's not an Etec fanboy, that's alloyboy who literally injected the Etec into a Yamaha thread for the sole purpose of satirizing it
I never said you. There are a few on here that are just as bad as the Yamaha guys. There are literally entire threads written to bash Yamaha. Any time a conversation starts people bring up the F225 like it's still in production. Many Etec fan boys basically state if you own a Yamaha it will probably explode and nothing Yamaha makes can compare to the G2.

I haven't seen anyone deny the torque or fuel economy. I've busted chops because some people go a little overboard in their comparisons of the G2 to the Yamaha. I've consistently stated that in a single outboard application for a 250 or 300 the G2 isn't significantly better than a SHO. G2 guys go on Yamaha threads and say why not the G2?
I go on G2 and say why not the 250 SHO?

Where the G2 shines is in the twin application where the torque really shines pushing the bigger boats. Obviously in the 150 and 200hp range it does as well.
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Originally Posted by HighSpeedPursuit View Post
Must suck to be a Yamaha owning ETEC cheer leader.
I'm ever hopeful evolution will catch up with you.
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Go easy on Fatwilliam, he like many of the ETEC cheerleader is a Yamaha owner.



Originally Posted by davepjr71 View Post
I never said you. There are a few on here that are just as bad as the Yamaha guys. There are literally entire threads written to bash Yamaha. Any time a conversation starts people bring up the F225 like it's still in production. Many Etec fan boys basically state if you own a Yamaha it will probably explode and nothing Yamaha makes can compare to the G2.

I haven't seen anyone deny the torque or fuel economy. I've busted chops because some people go a little overboard in their comparisons of the G2 to the Yamaha. I've consistently stated that in a single outboard application for a 250 or 300 the G2 isn't significantly better than a SHO. G2 guys go on Yamaha threads and say why not the G2?
I go on G2 and say why not the 250 SHO?

Where the G2 shines is in the twin application where the torque really shines pushing the bigger boats. Obviously in the 150 and 200hp range it does as well.
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Originally Posted by midcap View Post
This is what I never understood.

big block HPDIs were riddled with problems, small blocks had injector driver issues, yet when the 4 strokes came out, all sins were forgiven.

BRP, comes out with the G2 and everyone wants to make them pay for sins of their past.

I just don't understand why one company gets the pass and the other doesn't.

I will also agree that besides for some corrosion issues early on Suzuki makes a solid product that is priced right. I remember when Johnson rebadged Zukes...everyone liked them.
I have a 2000 evinrude 50hp 4 stroke (really a Suzuki) on my flats boat, been running for 9 solid yrs in salt, no complaints or major problems.
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Originally Posted by HarleyFLHP View Post
I'm ever hopeful evolution will catch up with you.
Originally Posted by HighSpeedPursuit View Post
Go easy on Fatwilliam, he like many of the ETEC cheerleader is a Yamaha owner.
Not anytime soon I see.
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I replaced a flawless G1 250HO with a 2017 G2 250HO. I did have an electrical issue on the G2 that Evinrude handled amazingly, although it took longer to resolve than I would have preferred. Since 2009 when I've got the G1 250 on my bass/bay boat I've had boats with 250 OX66 Yamaha's, 2009 Suzuki 300's, 2010 Yamaha 350's (current offshore boat), and a 2017 150 Yamaha 4 stroke. I like most of them, OX66 250's had no redeeming qualities, but the G2 is the next level technology.

I can tell a very real torque difference vs the Gen1. It's efficient, a clean design and by all indications been very reliable. I've only got 100 hours or so. I'm next due at the dealer for a 500 hour service, about 4 years from now... Gotta be really tough on the mechanics!

And don't start on the oil thing. It's so simple to fill that tank compared to sucking oil out or taking my big boat to the shop - what a hassle. It's not free to change the oil and most of the others require 89 octane. G2 runs on 87. If they made a V8 400 I'd buy two of them today.
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Originally Posted by davepjr71 View Post
I say why not the 250 SHO?
For me 1. the 250 SHO is not available with digital shift/throttle. Might not be a big deal to others; but, after having a F300 with it, I would never go back. 2. Have to pay extra for aftermarket power steering. Same as with #1, might not matter to some, does to me.

Both of the above reasons is why I started to look outside the Yamaha camp.
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For all of the non fanboys here.....isn't it great that we as boaters have such a good selection of great motors to choose from? Never before have outboards been so reliable, fast and efficient
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Since this thread has already gone past 10 pages, I'll add a little more to it.

Finally got my pricing for Yamaha and Evinrude repower packages.

Currently running a '04 F225 with 1200 hours, it's had the exhaust done, fuel pump, belt, plugs, anodes, all service that was needed has been done. Figured now would be the time to sell the motor with all fresh parts since it might have some value. Yeah, I know it'll run another 1200 hours, but I've got motoritis bad wanting a new/bigger one. Boat show season, the 10 year Evinrude deal goes off the end of April 2018.

Yamaha package is for a 4.2 F250 digital, controls, gauges, rigging, 3 blade prop, 3 year factory warranty for $25,697 out the door.

Evinrude package is for a G2 250 HO, controls, gauges, rigging, 4 blade prop, 10 year factory warranty for $22,982 out the door.

Haven't seen any smaller Grady's that have gone G2, guess I'll head to uncharted territory. 228 Grady-White with a G2 250 HO, should be interesting.

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