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Old 09-18-2017, 01:23 PM
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Default Carolina Skiff DLX vs DLV Ride

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I have been contemplating for a while now buying a CS 258DLV. But after reading some threads on here, one recent many say to buy the DLX flat bottom over the DLV modified V.
Can anyone tell me what the difference in ride is really like and why the DLX. I started to buy the 258DLV but since have been looking at the 2790 DLX with a 225hp for the bigger platform. I was planning on using it in the upper Potomac River.

Below is one comment from another thread I didn't want to hijack. I appreciate the honesty and being candid in your thoughts Steve.


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Skip the DLV all together. I had a DLV and if I ever had another skiff it would just be the DLX. The difference in ride is negligible and the DLX is a drier boat.

My advice would be a bay boat which sacrifices the room of a skiff for a smoother drier ride. If you must have a skiff for draft or space/ load capacity, forget the DLV they don't really draft any less than a bay boat and like mentioned no ride advantage over a conventional flat bottom. As a former DLV owner I can assure you, Anyone who claims otherwise is just lying to themselves.
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As far as the ride, the DLV is a little better but not a lot. I own a 238DLV. As far as being dry...they really are not a dry boat. I take exception to the post you list as far as the draft between a bay boat and DLV or DLX. I have been considering going to a bay boat for the improved ride, but have decided to stick with the skiff for the room and fishing platform. I have researched the bay boat market extensively and was considering a Pathfinder, Ranger, Triton, Blue Wave, and similar boats. They draft more than these skiffs. Most list a draft of around 12-14" at best. Keep in mind, you will most likely have a bigger motor on the bay boat. More weight=less draft. And this is just the hull and motor. Start adding additional stuff, ie trolling motors, power poles, hard top, filling those huge live wells on the bay boats, etc and she will sit lower. Also keep in mind, when you run her aground, I can push my skiff off the sand bar. You run one of these 24'+ bay boats up on a bar and you better have had your Wheaties when you get out to push. The fit and finish on the bay boats is way above those on the skiffs. The lids rattle, some hardware will rust over time on these skiffs. On the other hand, when you are done fishing, throw some water and clorox on the deck and quick scrub and rinse and you are done. Not so with the bay boats if you want them to last.
Trade off with both boats. Just depends on what is most important to you. My $0.02.
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Thanks yellowdog7

I am looking for a utilatarian boat only. Just a boat to fish primarilly with a stable large platform. I was just concerned of the ride of a flat bottom boat vs a modified. Not planning to go far or in bad weather. Four to Five people max, usually two. I also like the minimal clean up factor you describe as well. I want to get away from the Bay and CC market. I am done with those for now.
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The deeper the vee - the better the ride, but more rock on drift.

Tender versus stiff.

Aspect ratio (length to beam ratio) will also affect ride underway.
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I have a 19 DLV I use for back bay fishing and just running the wife to dinner once in awhile...I agree that the ride difference between the two is not that significant and it's a great boat to use for fishing in calmer waters....no frills and quick clean.....I do believe the Dlx is a bit dryer but again my boat is only 19... Never rode the larger ones....
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I owned a 258dlv.
It rode like crap, even after installing trim tabs.
Large and stable platform. Simple to maintain and clean.
Quality control is poor, though.
Factor in a spine readjustment once a week when determining the cost of ownership.
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I have spent a lot of time on both the original flat bottom carolina skiff and a 198 dlv. Honestly they will both pound the crap out of you in any sort of chop. The dlv might be a little beter ride - but it certainly isnt a big difference. I dont know if this is important to you or not - but a transducer wont pick up past about 5 mph on the flat bottom skiff. With the dlv- the transducer never loses bottom.
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I owned a DLV for about a month ......... rode absolutely horrible And I only used it in the protected river. It was the second worst riding boat I've ever been upon. Sold it to a young guy who I see still running around with it today. The worst riding boat I've ever been on was/is a 21 DLX that we have at work.
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Crap, not making me feel real good..just bought a 2016 CS DLV176 to knock around in.....Time will tell, haven't even fished it yet....
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Thanks to all who have responded.

To be clear I was expecting a rough ride coming down from a deep v center console. knowing I was only going 1-5 miles and anchoring up to fish.
I am also curious as to the quality. I know the boat is a utility type boat and the fit and finish cant be nit picked like most new gel coat boats. Has anyone had any experience wet slipping one?

Thanks in advance.
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We have a 218 DLV and used it extensively in the Intercoastal and going out of Ponce Inlet. If you pick your days we fish out in the ocean all the time (1 to 10 miles) and it does pound sometimes but it is very stable and floats super shallow. The quality of the workmanship is more of a worry to me than the ride.
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I can elaborate on my previous post that was quoted. Having run the DLV for 5 seasons, the worst part about it to me was not the ride, it is the wet. It's just not fun getting wet unless it's really hot out. The majority of the spray on the DLV come straight back out the bow. Because of the way it is shaped it just funnels it forward and the wind grabs it and brings it right over the bow. Like in 5 gallon buckets worth at a time. On the DLX there are 2 chines On the bow that help knock that bow spray down. DLV also give up 3-4" in draft for the DLX. Advertised on the DLV is 6-9" that's bogus it's 9-10" best case.

Someone mentioned the length to beam ratio for ride. There is something to that. If I were to have another skiff, it would be the narrow 19' or the 24' the 24 will hold a 150 which is plenty of power. It would push you to 45-47mph which is faster than you will want to go in one 90% of the time. It would also allow you to ferry like 10 people over to the beach no problem. When you step up to the 25 or 27 you gain a foot of beam. Unless you are planning on fishing with like 6-7 people the 24 should be plenty of boat.

I've got a friend that has a 24 with a 115 and it will do over 40. Another friend with a 238dlv and a 150. There is no difference in ride to me between the 2. On the DLV if you ever see one running, look at what is actually in the water, there is none of that entry V even close to touching any water. Even with tabs it makes little difference, you're just slapping a bandaid on 6" gash that needs 100 stitches.

Skiffs are great if you are a causal boater that goes on the best days only, need to get in really shallow water often (less than 1') or need to carry a shitton of people and gear with relatively little horsepower and on the least fuel possible. To me the compromise was not worth the harsh wet ride.
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Originally Posted by Fatherof4 View Post
Crap, not making me feel real good..just bought a 2016 CS DLV176 to knock around in.....Time will tell, haven't even fished it yet....
Don't worry it's a great boat to knock around in....I love my 19 DLV but don't have high expectations of fishing in open ocean unless it's really calm.....if your using it for fun it's a great ....mine takes the kids tubing and the wife to dinner and catches a few fish in the back bay were I live....takes me 3 min to clean and I,m done...have fun with it and there's a Carolina skiff forum you can join to ask specific questions to other owners.....
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I have owned both models.. to be honest they suck

The ONLY reason I would own one is for the capacity they are rated for like 10 or more people

otherwise their finish is poor an cheap for what they cost. you could get a gorgeous bay boat that will do everything the skiff can and everything it cant
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Originally Posted by Airbus A320 View Post
otherwise their finish is poor an cheap for what they cost. you could get a gorgeous bay boat that will do everything the skiff can and everything it cant
I'm curious what kind of bay boat you could get in the same price range? 26-27k..
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I went shopping with full intention of buying a 198 DLV, but ended up buying a Bayliner element E18 instead. The Bayliner ended up being cheaper with more options and more power, and the fit and finish could not compare. The wiring and the caulking on the Carolina Skiffs was just, in my opinion, inexcusable, not to mention the numerous mold imperfections. The Bayliner likely rides a little better, but the M Hull design is fairly wet in a wind-blown chop. Overall, very happy with the Bayliner for our needs.
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Originally Posted by NC Mike View Post
I'm curious what kind of bay boat you could get in the same price range? 26-27k..
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...2000-103016869
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I owned a 2007 21 DLV and a 1996 24 flat bottom(pre dlx) Carolina Skiff at the same time. I bought the DLV new and when the oil spill happened here I had the opportunity to put a boat to work so I bought the 24 since I did not want to damage my "new" boat. From my experience the DLV rides better in light wind chop and turns much better than the old style flat bottom. Once the chop starts to kick up the DLV starts to really pound. The tri-hull design seems to trap the water underneath on the down stroke and when there is no more air it comes to a sudden stop. The flat bottom slides out pretty easy in turns and sprays more but does not pound nearly as bad. My 24 foot skiff is a former commercial fishing boat so it may have some water intrusion that make it heavier and ride better but I am not sure. When the oil spill was said and done I sold the DLV and kept the 24. Partly because the better ride in the bay and partly because it was not losing value as quick as the new boat.
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I have owned a 258 dlv for 2 years now. Some days I like it some days I don't.
The good. Tons of room
Great stable platform for fishing and scuba
Very little fluff to worry about maintaining and polishing
Good ride in a following sea
Sips fuel

The bad. Pounds in a head sea but will stay on plane at about 12 mph so just slow down.

I require a shallow draft for my canal and I need a boat that I can crab and castnet out of without worrying about messing up a pretty boat. There aren't many other boats that will meet my needs. I do have my eye on a couple of these new hybrid Pangas that are being built. They look like they would meet my needs and offer a better ride.
If you were in my area I would be happy to take you out on my boat.

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