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Old 08-21-2017, 01:50 PM
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What are your thoughts
As to the premium you would pay for an unsinkable hull all other things being equal.
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Old 08-21-2017, 02:41 PM
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About as much as the automatic bilge pump Tha works forever and the submersible trailer lights that never fail.
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Old 08-21-2017, 02:46 PM
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Under a certain length, they are all supposedly unsinkable. But if your asking about BW I would not pay any premium. They get a premium from others, though, so I'll never own one.
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Old 08-21-2017, 02:52 PM
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none, all that floatation foam takes up space that can be used for in deck storage. It also gets waterlogged. The only time I understand buying one is in a small boat i.e. <20'
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When I let my children go alone out in the boat for the first time without any adults it will be a Boston Whaler.

The extra safety factor is comforting. In the news recently there have been a few tragic accidents and I wonder if a Whaler would have made a difference.
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I wouldn't pay anymore for an unsinkable hull unless it happen to be the boat that I wanted to own. Personally no extra value to me.
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Old 08-21-2017, 03:09 PM
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I share some of the sentiments here. I like the idea that my 19' Whaler is "unsinkable", but I would not be looking for an "unsinkable" foam filled boat if I was shopping above low-mid-20-footers.

Once you get into larger boats, you can expect to roam farther afield. Beyond the near-coastal environment, you are going to want a liferaft regardless. An "unsinkable" boat is no substitute for a liferaft - -it can still swamp and flip and won't be a viable platform to await rescue.

Also, making a larger boat "unsinkable" comes at the cost of a lot more weight and lost hull volume. Then the boat needs more HP to perform well, and now you have a high-HP/low-volume hull design. That's not what I'm looking for in a larger boat and frankly I am surprised Boston Whaler insists on incorporating this feature into their larger designs.

I would much rather have a liferaft strapped onto a lighter more efficient hull design with a lot of internal volume.
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:08 PM
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So easy to say no added value to "unsinkability" when your sitting with your iPad or laptop.
If you get caught, where you shouldn't be, or conditions above your skill, or in a boating accident, you'd surely change your mind..........
I've been there.......
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirtybobbymac View Post
So easy to say no added value to "unsinkability" when your sitting with your iPad or laptop.
If you get caught, where you shouldn't be, or conditions above your skill, or in a boating accident, you'd surely change your mind..........
I've been there.......
Actually I was caught before in terrible conditions, boat sinking but having a foam filled boat has never crossed my mind in that decision process for boats.
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:35 PM
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You don't have to pay more. You may pay less in some circumstances. Cape Horn comes to mind.
I was 15 miles in the gulf fishing with a buddy on his 21 Cape Horn. He opened the bilge for some reason. It was full of water,the hose for the high speed pickup for the live well had slipped off. No big deal, slip the hose back on, tighten the clamps. Not a crisis, far from it. You guys keep talking about situations where the shtf, but what about the threads where the boat sinks in calm seas? What about the cobia that sank where the guys had the gopros, or the cape fear cat? Neither would've sunk had they been foam- filled. Moral of the story is there are some very good boats that are unsinkable that won't break the bank.

Ps unsinkable boats do not require more horsepower that's complete horseshit
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The same as John Blutarsky's GPA.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirtybobbymac View Post
So easy to say no added value to "unsinkability" when your sitting with your iPad or laptop.
If you get caught, where you shouldn't be, or conditions above your skill, or in a boating accident, you'd surely change your mind..........
I've been there.......
What he said.

These other boats are only required to have a tiny - inches bit of hull showing to be considered "foam filled". Unsinkable is in a whole different class.

There are numerous pics of "unsinkable" tenders lost at sea only to show up "unsunk" continents away.

Ahhhhh - unsinkable for the win.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:13 PM
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Onslow Bay's are unsinkable...... They're one of the best bang for your buck unnoticed boats as well.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rusbob View Post
You don't have to pay more. You may pay less in some circumstances. Cape Horn comes to mind.
I was 15 miles in the gulf fishing with a buddy on his 21 Cape Horn. He opened the bilge for some reason. It was full of water,the hose for the high speed pickup for the live well had slipped off. No big deal, slip the hose back on, tighten the clamps. Not a crisis, far from it. You guys keep talking about situations where the shtf, but what about the threads where the boat sinks in calm seas? What about the cobia that sank where the guys had the gopros, or the cape fear cat? Neither would've sunk had they been foam- filled. Moral of the story is there are some very good boats that are unsinkable that won't break the bank.

Ps unsinkable boats do not require more horsepower that's complete horseshit
X2 (emphasis added). Take one look at the picture in this article ==> http://www.theledger.com/news/201002...-boat-accident. You're not doing that in anything other than an unsinkable, foam filled boat. Like every boat design, there are trade offs.
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Old 08-21-2017, 09:48 PM
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To each his own.....but the vast majority of incidents that end with with serious injury or loss of life are not from the boat sinking, or a hull breach/plumbing failure that would lend some favor to a supposedly "unsinkable" hull.

Unsinkable doesn't mean un-swampable

Edit: Agree on the horse shit call - 2lb buoyancy foam weighs....2lb per cubic foot...you can totally float a standard issue 25' CC for less than the weight of an offshore beer load.
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Old 08-22-2017, 03:34 AM
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When I let my children go alone out in the boat for the first time without any adults it will be a Boston Whaler.

The extra safety factor is comforting. In the news recently there have been a few tragic accidents and I wonder if a Whaler would have made a difference.
I hope you are joking, but I am afraid you are not. Boston whalers are nothing special in the boating community: what is special is their marketing.. I own a whaler in our fleet, so not knocking the brand...you just need to know what you are buying... unsinkable? uncapsizeable? what's the difference, right?
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Old 08-22-2017, 03:40 AM
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I'm with C Skipr. I see absolutely no added value. I don't want my backup plan to be trying to cling to the bottom of a rolled over hulll with waves crashing over it. Life vest, life raft, EPIRB is my choice.

It does make for catchy marketing though.
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:12 AM
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If I was in the water I'd much rather have a big white object floating next to me, even if capsized and swamped.
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sydngoose View Post
I hope you are joking, but I am afraid you are not. Boston whalers are nothing special in the boating community: what is special is their marketing.. I own a whaler in our fleet, so not knocking the brand...you just need to know what you are buying... unsinkable? uncapsizeable? what's the difference, right?
Nope. Not joking. I am well aware of the difference between unsinkable and uncapsizeable and still firmly believe in the safety factor. I work in the industry and have seen many sunk/swamped/capsized boats with injuries and loss of life.

Comparing a swamp or capsized 17 Mako to a swamped or capsized 17 Whaler is night and day. Huge difference in the swamped capacity and stability. People dismiss it as marketing but but the extra safety factor is a real asset. Even the simple difference of how much higher a whaler will float out of the water when upside down could make the difference. The swamped capacity numbers of the smaller boats has a large advantage multipled further if you remove the drain plug.
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