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Old 08-04-2018, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 24seachaser View Post
Motors have 300 hours.

No motors were not taken apart and inspected yamaha would not pay. Bore scope was used to inspect cylinder walls for problems.

Nothing wrong with prop size boat will run 5700 to 5900 depending on load until the carbon build up happens then loose rpm.

Service manager at shop is close personal friend and have no reason not to believe what he says. He also is one of the best boat mechanics in my area.

Boat is used offshore trolling and fishing. Run the boat hard when I come back in. The trolling shouldn't be a issue it is what the boat is designed to do. Does yamaha not understand that?

In the big picture it shouldn't make a difference how I use my boat or how many hours are on it. If carbon build up is an issue then address it.

Yamaha has said it is part of maintenance of the motors and they will not cover it or do anything about it and they said that personally to me when I called the last time.

I know Yamaha is considered the "gold standard" but over the last 10 years; the F350 flywheel issues, the dry exhaust issues and the way I hear that they treat their customers, as in the quoted thread above, if I were buying a new boat, it would not have Yamaha on the transom - I do not want to give them my money. AND, if buying used, I would have a hard time choosing a boat with Yamaha motors. The boat would have to be a great deal and the motors would have to have a certified service history and medium to high hours with no issues.

My last boat had Verado Gen 1's and while thirsty, were flawless, ultra quiet and smooth. The new Mercury engines look to be fantastic and Suzuki seems solid as well. I have a friend with Gen 2 E-Techs and so far they have been great, but he hasn't had them long yet. Yamaha - sorry, just does not do it for me. too many stories out there about them not standing behind their product. the dry exhaust rot issue, put it over the top for me. Warranty or Not, those engines had a design or material flaw and Yamaha's attitude towards their customers is, in my opinion, inexcusable. and yes, I know we are only hearing one side of this story above, but there are way too many of these stories out there.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 24seachaser View Post
The bottom line is if Yamaha doesn't want to fix my motors there is really not much I can do about it. Yes there are other brands out there but the bottom line that just will cost me more money. I hope by some miracle Yamaha will do what's right and fix the issue if not then I will just have to live with it.
Yamaha has not given you decision yet? I have the whole thread but can't remember, are you still under warranty? You're at 4 years, did you get YES?
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:17 PM
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Yamaha has not given you decision yet? I have the whole thread but can't remember, are you still under warranty? You're at 4 years, did you get YES?
Yes I have the yes warranty. All I can say is this has been a issue for over 3 years and so far Yamaha has not done much. No Yamaha has not made a decision only for me to try a 3rd set of props and that's all I've heard is the last thing they said.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by makosteve66 View Post
I know Yamaha is considered the "gold standard" but over the last 10 years; the F350 flywheel issues, the dry exhaust issues and the way I hear that they treat their customers, as in the quoted thread above, if I were buying a new boat, it would not have Yamaha on the transom - I do not want to give them my money. AND, if buying used, I would have a hard time choosing a boat with Yamaha motors. The boat would have to be a great deal and the motors would have to have a certified service history and medium to high hours with no issues.

My last boat had Verado Gen 1's and while thirsty, were flawless, ultra quiet and smooth. The new Mercury engines look to be fantastic and Suzuki seems solid as well. I have a friend with Gen 2 E-Techs and so far they have been great, but he hasn't had them long yet. Yamaha - sorry, just does not do it for me. too many stories out there about them not standing behind their product. the dry exhaust rot issue, put it over the top for me. Warranty or Not, those engines had a design or material flaw and Yamaha's attitude towards their customers is, in my opinion, inexcusable. and yes, I know we are only hearing one side of this story above, but there are way too many of these stories out there.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by makosteve66 View Post
I know Yamaha is considered the "gold standard" but over the last 10 years; the F350 flywheel issues, the dry exhaust issues and the way I hear that they treat their customers, as in the quoted thread above, if I were buying a new boat, it would not have Yamaha on the transom - I do not want to give them my money. AND, if buying used, I would have a hard time choosing a boat with Yamaha motors. The boat would have to be a great deal and the motors would have to have a certified service history and medium to high hours with no issues.

My last boat had Verado Gen 1's and while thirsty, were flawless, ultra quiet and smooth. The new Mercury engines look to be fantastic and Suzuki seems solid as well. I have a friend with Gen 2 E-Techs and so far they have been great, but he hasn't had them long yet. Yamaha - sorry, just does not do it for me. too many stories out there about them not standing behind their product. the dry exhaust rot issue, put it over the top for me. Warranty or Not, those engines had a design or material flaw and Yamaha's attitude towards their customers is, in my opinion, inexcusable. and yes, I know we are only hearing one side of this story above, but there are way too many of these stories out there.
Completely understand. I can only say for the amount of transoms Yamaha engines occupy, which is probably a tremendous number, the percentage of owners who have had problems in the last 5-7 years is very small. My whole damn marina is close to 90-95% Yamaha.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 24seachaser View Post
Yes I have the yes warranty. All I can say is this has been a issue for over 3 years and so far Yamaha has not done much. No Yamaha has not made a decision only for me to try a 3rd set of props and that's all I've heard is the last thing they said.
Since this point, you have done every single thing Yamaha has said to do, what is your dealer saying?
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The dealer can't believe they haven't put power heads on yet but he can't do anything about it either. I hopeful that Yamaha will step up just have to wait and see.
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The dealer can't believe they haven't put power heads on yet but he can't do anything about it either. I hopeful that Yamaha will step up just have to wait and see.
Shoot, I dunno 'bout that. Yamaha helping out? LOL All the Yamaha haters will have to pucker up.
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Did I ever mention the time Yamaha replaced the lower unit on my 2006 F250 even though it was long out of warranty and they had no legal responsibility to do so. Just thought I'd mention it.
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Originally Posted by makosteve66 View Post
I know Yamaha is considered the "gold standard" but over the last 10 years; the F350 flywheel issues, the dry exhaust issues and the way I hear that they treat their customers, as in the quoted thread above, if I were buying a new boat, it would not have Yamaha on the transom - I do not want to give them my money. AND, if buying used, I would have a hard time choosing a boat with Yamaha motors. The boat would have to be a great deal and the motors would have to have a certified service history and medium to high hours with no issues.

My last boat had Verado Gen 1's and while thirsty, were flawless, ultra quiet and smooth. The new Mercury engines look to be fantastic and Suzuki seems solid as well. I have a friend with Gen 2 E-Techs and so far they have been great, but he hasn't had them long yet. Yamaha - sorry, just does not do it for me. too many stories out there about them not standing behind their product. the dry exhaust rot issue, put it over the top for me. Warranty or Not, those engines had a design or material flaw and Yamaha's attitude towards their customers is, in my opinion, inexcusable. and yes, I know we are only hearing one side of this story above, but there are way too many of these stories out there.
Yamaha's "gold standard" days ended about 15 years ago.
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Old 08-04-2018, 05:24 PM
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Mr. Yamaha Hater, Now that is some funny shit. Who’s making your motors, the next door neighbor?
First off, do you have profit sharing in Yamaha? Do you own the company? Are you a Yamaha dealer? If not, then WTF do you care if someone dislikes a company, that is treating customers like crap?

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Go to your nearest Walmart, make your way to the electronics section, buy a tracfone, and call somebody who cares.......
This has to go down as the most ignorant post of the month. How do you figure, this helps the OP with his engine problems?
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I know my 2 motors were run WOT after the 2 hour mark for 3 to 5 mins quite often. Atleast 2 or 3 times when I went to the lake. I didn’t baby them.
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Originally Posted by HarleyFLHP View Post
This has to go down as the most ignorant post of the month. How do you figure, this helps the OP with his engine problems?
Let's see here. All "Makosteve66" did was write two rather long paragraphs listing all the reasons he would NEVER own a Yamaha and how HARD it would be for him to buy a used boat with a Yamaha. Then he lists his very strict criteria he would use if he even considered to buy a used one. Then he goes on to list the other motors he's owned and never had a problem, then talks about his buddies Etec that's never had a problem. Then he goes back to explaining that Yamaha doesnt make the cut for him. blah... blah... blah......

Do you honestly care whether or not "Makosteve66" would buy a Yamaha or not?................... I do not

Do you honestly think "Makosteve66"s decision to not buy a Yamaha helps the OP with his engine problems?.......................... I do not

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Originally Posted by mdees88 View Post
Let's see here. All "Makosteve66" did was write two rather long paragraphs listing all the reasons he would NEVER own a Yamaha and how HARD it would be for him to buy a used boat with a Yamaha. Then he lists his very strict criteria he would use if he even considered to buy a used one. Then he goes on to list the other motors he's owned and never had a problem, then talks about his buddies Etec that's never had a problem blah... blah... blah

Do you honestly care whether or not "Makosteve66" would buy a Yamaha or not?................... I do not

Do you honestly think "Makosteve66"s decision to not buy a Yamaha helps the OP with his engine problems?.......................... I do not

By the way I have already made contributions to this thread, thank you

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My statement has more to do with the thread, than your ad hominem attack. This is a discussion regarding the way Yamaha treats some of it's customers. If you don't like it, feel free to remove yourself from the thread.
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Yamaha's "gold standard" days ended about 15 years ago.
They certainly have a long way to fall yet.
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Originally Posted by HarleyFLHP View Post
My statement has more to do with the thread, than your ad hominem attack. This is a discussion regarding the way Yamaha treats some of it's customers. If you don't like it, feel free to remove yourself from the thread.
Funny... just a few posts ago your statement was about posting information that
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helps the OP with his engine problems?
My post was about exactly what I quoted. Forgive me if I do not care about all of the reasons MakoSteve66 has for not buying a Yamaha, and how smooth and quiet Verados are, and how completely trouble free 1 particular friend's of his Etec G2 was....

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ad hominem attack.
It wasn't my intention to personally insult Mako himself. I thought it was a rather comical way to say I (and probably several others in this thread) don't care whether or not he, himself, would buy a Yamaha. Nor do I (we) care how "fantastic" the new Mercury engines "look", or how "solid" Suzukis "seem to be", or how trouble free 1 like new Etec G2 has been....

I'm slightly more interested in seeing whether or not the OP gets his motors fixed.
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I'm slightly more interested in seeing whether or not the OP gets his motors fixed.
We'll leave it at that and move on.
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My '15 F300 made oil up to around the 200-250 hr mark. I followed the break-in for the first two hours, at the recommendation of my dealer. Then I ran them as normal, at the recommendation of my dealer. Engine still made oil. I was changing oil every 50hrs as a precaution. Now I'm at 385 hrs, with 85 of those hours on one oil change...no more making oil, just checked it yesterday. So whatever is going on, it fixed itself I guess. I do run it like I stole it, always have...wide ass open when possible, pinning the throttle out of the hole, etc. Now that it's doing fine, I'll start backing off the torture treatment a bit. Not saying that's the fix all, but it finally worked for me. Definitely a PITA to finally get to where it is though and should never have been required.
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This is my final post about this. Talked to Yamaha and the bottom line they will not do anything about the issue. So I'm in the process of getting prices for re-powering. The boat as been on 4 offshore trips since the last oil change and ran it in fairly hard. Seemed to do better with not having as much fuel in the oil still an issue but not as bad. Taking it to the shop for complete services on both motors along with compression checks and then have them run them wide open for an hour while it is there they have a lake near by that they can do it in. After that they will be up for sale maybe heading in the right direction on the motors but not interested in owning anymore Yamaha's. They will be sold complete with all rigging props and gauges. Thanks for all the people who have helped me with suggestions. I'm just tired of going back and forth with Yamaha.
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