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Old 05-19-2017, 02:49 AM   #1
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Default Trojan/Warnike F-44 Sportfisher history

Can anyone shed some light on the history of this boat. Only four or five were made it seems and a Mr. Warnike was involved in some way, either the designer or bought the hull from Trojan and built the boat from there. Trojan did offer a 44 Motor Yacht so it could have been the same hull. Boat was fiberglass and not cold molded.

The cost of building a mold for only four or five boats would have been a loosing proposition so I suspect Warnike bought the hulls. This would have been 1979 or 1980 and I believe before Bertram or Whittaker was involved with Trojan.

Boats were GM Diesel powered.

Google doesn't turn up much and I can't find where Trojan ever listed the F-44 Sportfisher in their catalog.
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My Trojan F-26 was a 1975 and was a Whittaker
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:58 AM   #3
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The F-44 Sedan was first built in the mid 70's 74-76 or there about.

It was built before the 44 Motor Yacht. Boating Magazine did a story on it about that same time frame.

There is a Trojan Forum out on the net somewhere. (Lost me bookmark) Where you could probable get more info on it.

On Edit. It was the Cover Boat July 76 Boating. (With story)

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http://trojanboats.net/wforum/viewforum.php?f=1
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I'm familiar with the Trojan Forum but not much on there about Warnike or his relationship with Trojan. I did discover that Warnike sold Trojan yachts during that period.

I bought the boat pictured in 1990 as a Bank repo, and got a terriffic deal but wound up upgrading the electronics and replacing a bunch of pumps and spending a ton of money.

I liked the boat a lot and hated to sell it but sometimes things come along in life that force a change in direction. Doesn't seem like it was 27 years ago.
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Here's another pic,
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there are one or two in Miami area for sale now with no power.
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Google it and you will find a Boating magazine test in 1976. First production year I believe. Standard engines were 6-71 naturals at 310hp or Cummings 903's @ 320 hp, could go up to 400hp. Boat test showed only 17 knots top speed with 320hp Cummings, looks like a head turner but not really a performer.
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there are one or two in Miami area for sale now with no power.
Got a link to the broker?
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Google it and you will find a Boating magazine test in 1976. First production year I believe. Standard engines were 6-71 naturals at 310hp or Cummings 903's @ 320 hp, could go up to 400hp. Boat test showed only 17 knots top speed with 320hp Cummings, looks like a head turner but not really a performer.
The Cummings must have been dogs. The boat pictured with 671N would do 22 WOT with bottom paint and isenglas enclosed flybridge.
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The Cummings must have been dogs. The boat pictured with 671N would do 22 WOT with bottom paint and isenglas enclosed flybridge.
They offered 400hp Cummins also . Should have ran well not a real heavy boat for 44' I believe they where built when Whittaker owned Trojan . I know Trojans pretty well and the name Warnike is not ringing a bell . There was a Larry Warner .
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They offered 400hp Cummins also . Should have ran well not a real heavy boat for 44'
I have not been able to find any specs on the weight of the boat but I can attest to the fact that the bottom hull thickness was about 1" based on a thru hull replacement, and the manufacture claims 7 layers of glass. The interior was all teak except the headliner of course. What does another boat of similar size weigh? Say a Hatteras for instance.

Fuel capacity was 600 gals and water was 200 gal. I never had the feeling she was a light boat, in fact I felt the opposite.
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Trojan listed the boat at 33750 (shipping weight ) no fuel/water . A mid 80s 45 Viking is 44k I believe .
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You must be thing a motor yacht, here what I found for a Viking 44 motor yacht:
Viking 44 Motor Yacht Specs

Length:44'0"
Beam:15'0"
Draft:4'0"
Weight:40,000#
Clearance:14'6"
Fuel:460 gals.
Water:180 gals.
Waste:50 gals.
Hull Type:Modified-V
Deadrise Aft:15.5°
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You must be thing a motor yacht, here what I found for a Viking 44 motor yacht:
Viking 44 Motor Yacht Specs

Length:44'0"
Beam:15'0"
Draft:4'0"
Weight:40,000#
Clearance:14'6"
Fuel:460 gals.
Water:180 gals.
Waste:50 gals.
Hull Type:Modified-V
Deadrise Aft:15.5°
Nope . 45 convertible/ sportfish . NADA list the F44 at 32 btw . I trust the Trojan number
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The Cummings must have been dogs. The boat pictured with 671N would do 22 WOT with bottom paint and isenglas enclosed flybridge.
Agree that something must have been wrong during the test, the numbers did not seem representative.
903 Cummings are heavy for their size , more than an 8-71.
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Agree that something must have been wrong during the test, the numbers did not seem representative.
903 Cummings are heavy for their size , more than an 8-71.
Trojan listed the 320hp Cummins as 300 lbs more the 310 DD (each ) So you would think not much of a difference be the two . I have a lot of Trojan specs but no speed info .
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Here's the data from my old PowerBoat Guide.

Sorry about the quality, book scan on flat glass scanner.

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I have not been able to find any specs on the weight of the boat but I can attest to the fact that the bottom hull thickness was about 1" based on a thru hull replacement, and the manufacture claims 7 layers of glass. The interior was all teak except the headliner of course. What does another boat of similar size weigh? Say a Hatteras for instance.

Fuel capacity was 600 gals and water was 200 gal. I never had the feeling she was a light boat, in fact I felt the opposite.


If the bottom was 1" thick all over, it would indeed make a heavy, slow boat, but 7 layers of glass would be about half or less of that thickness.
The keel/chine areas where the glass is commonly overlapped might be that thick.
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Trojan listed the 320hp Cummins as 300 lbs more the 310 DD (each ) So you would think not much of a difference be the two . I have a lot of Trojan specs but no speed info .
I found that the dry weight for a J&T 6-71N with gear is 2500# while the dry weight with gear for a 320/400 hp Cummings 903 was 3600#, so that is a at least a 2200# difference for a pair.
The truth in advertising was not necessarily rampant back then with boatbuilders and weights. I think performance wise the boat was only a 22mph boat, not enough to keep up with the 46 Hatt and Bertram's of the time. I would say it was a great looker from the outside, the funky forward slanted salon bulkhead only reduced the feeling of space inside the salon.

Trojan built their 44 SF and MY in Maryland not At the Lancaster, PA plant which accounts for the associated other name.

Overall, it was not a commercial success, much like the Chris-Craft 45 SF . Two examples of motor yacht and cruiser guys going after the SF market unsuccessfully.
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I grew up on a Trojan 36' convertible. When it came time to move up, my dad looked at the Trojan 44. It looked nice, but Dad said that he had had enough of Trojans. He looked at Chris Craft 45, Hatteras 46, and Bertram 46.....Same deal and price from a dealer who sold all 3. He chose the CC 45' for its space in the cockpit, interior, and by far the best bridge. It was really a great boat for its day (1978-1979). Popular also at the time ...59 built. Honest 21 knt cruise with 8-71 TI's, around 435 hp, and solid sea boat. Cruised and fished it for many years, and it was really a great boat. Of course the resale for the Hatteras and Bertram would have been better, but he certainly got his money's worth. The improvements made in boats since then are amazing, especially the motors and systems.
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