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Copying a 31 Bertram in Quepos Costa Rica

Old 12-01-2018, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SailFishQuepos View Post
Then here is the tricky part, we propped up the side so it was flat, and glassed one side. Then we flipped it over and let it be curved like the jig and we fiberglassed the other side. When we fiberglassed the second side, we pulled the foam down with thin wire to the jig. After the second side dried, you can pull the wire out leaving very minimal damage. The idea is the foam with one side glassed is very flexible, but once you glass the second side it will not move at all, and will hold it's shape very well.
I apologize for even asking because I am a huge fan and mean no disrespect, but I have to know:

Did you consider glassing the mold, then, while it was still green, flipping it inside out and using it for the other side?
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cracked_ribs View Post
I apologize for even asking because I am a huge fan and mean no disrespect, but I have to know:

Did you consider glassing the mold, then, while it was still green, flipping it inside out and using it for the other side?
yeah, but you run the risk of getting bubbles and stuff. It’s really flexible, so it’s going to contort like crazy as it’s pretty long and by the time you get it flipped over I don’t think it would be bubble free. I think that is what you are asking, right? There isnt much need though, we got it bubble free, and just let it set and it easily conforms to the mold with only one side glassed. When you glass the second side though, it’s stuck in the curved position and 100 percent not flexible. I actually learned that trick here in cold molded fight club. And its 90 degrees here so you really don’t even have to wait much, it is almost dry by the time you get all the glass wet.

i learned almost everything I know here though, keep the comments coming and I might learn something new for sure!

kind of in the same idea, I’ve wet several sheets of this stuff over on a waxed flat table and flipped it while it’s wet and done the other side. But we don’t do that anymore as you always have to grind out at least a small area every time. Even on a waxed table.

or did I miss the question?
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John, I know a lot of the folks we'd talked to say for longevity, the best solution is to put a thin layer of glass over the plates. Maybe Woo's are different though
We just formed thin white perspex to protect the plates. Left a small air gap for efficiency. Pics show it.
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Love the thread and love your work.

i have to question your decision on just 2 long benches and no L seating and or no dinette. In RI I mated on 2 boats the “Fishtrap” and “Snappa” identical 38 hulls Snappa has an L on one side and a dinette on the other “Fishtrap” had 2 long benches as a passenger the long benches suck for a few reasons.

First as the trip goes do to the boat riding with any bow angle all of the passengers start to slide to the stern if there are 2-3 people on each side it’s constant slide down then re adjust the guy at the end always has intimate friends.

Second ther is no place to rest your arms or hold on to so as the boat rides with any wave action the passengers feel like they are going to roll forward and out of their seat.

Third charters like to sleep sometimes sleeping on a narrow long lateral bunk is tough and to top it off with little wave action you roll out of it.

Last having a dinette lends itself to a better social experience the clients can talk much easier on the dinette we would leave a few decks of cards and they would play and talk the whole run out.

The first seats always filled on the Snappa, in order Fwd facing L, Fwd facing Dinette, rear facing Dinette, the seat net to the L then the rest of the Dinette.

Could you at least put in an armrest or 2 on each side while leaving room to sleep?

Ir you look at the newer CC’s the nice ones have pads inserted in the bow to allow people in he front to face fwd or stop them from sliding back, and some now have Dinettes that drop in that’s because of my points above.

Once again I love the thread just wanted to voice my opinion from experience.
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by captpepin View Post
Love the thread and love your work.

i have to question your decision on just 2 long benches and no L seating and or no dinette. In RI I mated on 2 boats the “Fishtrap” and “Snappa” identical 38 hulls Snappa has an L on one side and a dinette on the other “Fishtrap” had 2 long benches as a passenger the long benches suck for a few reasons.

First as the trip goes do to the boat riding with any bow angle all of the passengers start to slide to the stern if there are 2-3 people on each side it’s constant slide down then re adjust the guy at the end always has intimate friends.

Second there is no place to rest your arms or hold on to so as the boat rides with any wave action the passengers feel like they are going to roll forward and out of their seat.

Third charters like to sleep sometimes sleeping on a narrow long lateral bunk is tough and to top it off with little wave action you roll out of it.

Last having a dinette lends itself to a better social experience the clients can talk much easier on the dinette we would leave a few decks of cards and they would play and talk the whole run out.

The first seats always filled on the Snappa, in order Fwd facing L, Fwd facing Dinette, rear facing Dinette, the seat net to the L then the rest of the Dinette.

Could you at least put in an armrest or 2 on each side while leaving room to sleep?

Ir you look at the newer CC’s the nice ones have pads inserted in the bow to allow people in he front to face fwd or stop them from sliding back, and some now have Dinettes that drop in that’s because of my points above.

Once again I love the thread just wanted to voice my opinion from experience.


I'll measure, the arm rest idea sounds great! My thing with the long benches is I've heard that the forward bunk is terrible in the waves sometimes while doing FAD trips, and that I need a backup place to sleep. That was kind of the thought, but I do see you issues and those make sense too. I'll measure for a pair of armrests. Honestly, the boat is starting to book pretty well for February, so that was a deciding factor on the benches as well. I would have probably went the dinette route if it wasn't time crunched. I might go back and redo that as well... I was thinking a few bean bags as well for the cabin for extra seating (that idea came from Rick actually, a THT'er). Very good advice, makes alot of sense.

Ha, I wonder if I made some foam cubes for the bench. Like it gets a thick pad on top, and then I make some foam cubes that would work as arm rests? I have a friend here that makes furniture, I'll see what he thinks... Like not all foam. Like plywood covered foam, wrapped in the same upholstery as the seats. I could do a few of them, so the benches look like lazy boys, but the boxes come off when people want to sleep.. I'll talk with the guys, we'll chew on this... Thanks soo much for pointing all that out, I learn so much on here...

I had to kind of preserve the floor too, those middle three plywood panels are how we get to the motors. That is exactly what it had from Hatteras, so I didn't want to do all the welding (there is an aluminium bracing system holding up the floor) , and Lord forbid I open those plywood panels now and drench the motors with fiberglass dust.

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Originally Posted by cracked_ribs View Post
I apologize for even asking because I am a huge fan and mean no disrespect, but I have to know:

Did you consider glassing the mold, then, while it was still green, flipping it inside out and using it for the other side?
the secret for this to work is to use sand taken from rivers - not the ocean, it's too salty - and a garden hose without a sprayer...
works like a charm... possibly...

On a serious note, please keep the pics coming. I know this bout will turn out great.

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On a completely side tangent, Sea Shepard pulled into the Marina Pez Vela yesterday. My graphics guy thought it would be funny to photoshop their boat. This is just a joke, so hopefully I don't set anybody off, but I thought this was funny enough to post on our instagram fishing page....


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One armrest on either side would be a big improvement. Then see how it goes.
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Originally Posted by SailFishQuepos View Post
On a completely side tangent, Sea Shepard pulled into the Marina Pez Vela yesterday. My graphics guy thought it would be funny to photoshop their boat. This is just a joke, so hopefully I don't set anybody off, but I thought this was funny enough to post on our instagram fishing page....


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Pura vida!
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Originally Posted by captpepin View Post
.... In RI I mated on 2 boats the “Fishtrap”....
Did you work for Mario or a later owner of fishtrap?
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Did you work for Mario or a later owner of fishtrap?
I worked for Mario, I was pretty good friends with his son Mark we all lived on Great Island, I was the fill in / weekend mate filling in for Bruce Deblois, I pretty much knew and worked for everyone in Pt Judith from 84-93.
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I worked for Mario, I was pretty good friends with his son Mark we all lived on Great Island, I was the fill in / weekend mate filling in for Bruce Deblois, I pretty much knew and worked for everyone in Pt Judith from 84-93.
Ha, small world. I lived summers on Starfish, worked with mark on patty anne and a duffy before it was named "cod father" and the wife put some bullet holes in the boat. Relocated some yachts with him to other countries. Good times.

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Ha, small world. I lived summers on Starfish, worked with mark on patty anne and a duffy before it was named "cod father" and the wife put some bullet holes in the boat. Relocated some yachts with him to other countries. Good times.

Sorry for the derail, I'll go back to read only.
No big deal, you can bump my post as much as you want
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We are actually building a live well now with tuna tubes. I usually don't post pictures that are so rough, but these are really rough pictures of kind of what it'll look like! We are going to leave the door, so this won't be perfectly centered. But the door just seems useful so I'll leave it. I almost took it off...

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We are actually building a live well now with tuna tubes. I usually don't post pictures that are so rough, but these are really rough pictures of kind of what it'll look like! We are going to leave the door, so this won't be perfectly centered. But the door just seems useful so I'll leave it. I almost took it off...

I’d love to see more of this part of the build. What is the green material called?
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I’d love to see more of this part of the build. What is the green material called?
That is PVC foam made by Gurit. Alot of people call it DivinyCell which is identical, but this is just a different manufacturer. We cover that with a layer of 1708 biaxial glass, and it's strong, weightless and doesn't rot. Although termites will eat it, as we had some get in the foam in the warehouse.... I"ll post the some mid process shots tomorrow, that is just where we got to today.
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Ha, small world. I lived summers on Starfish, worked with mark on patty anne and a duffy before it was named "cod father" and the wife put some bullet holes in the boat. Relocated some yachts with him to other countries. Good times.

Sorry for the derail, I'll go back to read only.
I’ll bump it for you.

I know we must have met, I live on Starfish, our boats name is Starfish, the Duffy you are talking about was Bob Bradberries boat. I worked with Bob and Bruce on the Harris he had while building that boat evevtually Coke bought it.
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If the door is there DON'T take it out, I know it looks clean and pretty without it but as you use the boat you will see that it comes in handy, after having a boat like yours with a door I would never have one without.

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Always love your builds.

But the fact you said that termites will eat the PVC foam is troubling. WTF type of termites you got down there?

Just when you think you just got to keep the coring sealed and dry you gotta watch for termites getting in it.
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