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Old 10-08-2018, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SailFishQuepos View Post
Alright, you are dragging the truth out of me. I really really stink at soldering. I can weld, lay fiberglass, build and rebuild anything mechanical (motor or transmission), but I stink at soldering...
Here's something you may want to try for soldering - I use an Ancor butane torch. I've found if you strip 3/4" off each wire, then wash you hands thoroughly (to avoid grease contamination), then wrap the wires together as tight as possible and heat the connection from the bottom for ~3 seconds, then touch rosin core solder to the top of the connection, it works perfectly. I also like Ancor adhesive lined shrink tube to finish the job.

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Old 10-08-2018, 07:57 AM
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That sounds amazing...and like something I couldn't find here. I'll look it up and see if I can import some. Is it sticky or does it wipe off, or does it just stay flexible?
All the ones i've used are cleanable with isopropyl alcohol, which also won't harm any electrical components.

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Here's something you may want to try for soldering - I use an Ancor butane torch. I've found if you strip 3/4" off each wire, then wash you hands thoroughly (to avoid grease contamination), then wrap the wires together as tight as possible and heat the connection from the bottom for ~3 seconds, then touch rosin core solder to the top of the connection, it works perfectly. I also like Ancor adhesive lined shrink tube to finish the job.

Mini Butane Pocket Torch Ancor
It's generally not recommended to solder stranded wire that won't be potted/encapsulated, or otherwise have some sort of firm strain relief. Under vibration or movement, soldering can cause wires to break, doesn't take much either.
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Old 10-08-2018, 08:37 AM
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It's generally not recommended to solder stranded wire that won't be potted/encapsulated, or otherwise have some sort of firm strain relief. Under vibration or movement, soldering can cause wires to break, doesn't take much either.
The strain issue is the key. The constant action of engines, propulsion systems, and hull pounding create non-stop vibration and strain.

Stranded wire is more flexible than solid wire, therefore it can take more strain and vibration. Soldering converts stranded wire to solid wire.

Good thing you are bad at soldering.

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The strain issue is the key. The constant action of engines, propulsion systems, and hull pounding create non-stop vibration and strain.

Stranded wire is more flexible than solid wire, therefore it can take more strain and vibration. Soldering converts stranded wire to solid wire.

Good thing you are bad at soldering.

definitely have soldered more than i care to on more complex stuff than a boat!
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The trick for soldering marine wire is using an 80 watt soldering iron. Do not use a gun with a trigger. Use tinned marine wire, and tinned terminals. Put the chisel tip up against the terminal, right where the wire starts to stick out of the crimped area. Wait a few seconds, then apply some solder to the iron itself at the terminal. The solder will melt and quickly flow onto the terminal. As soon as this happens, apply the solder direct to the terminal.

Do not let the solder flow up the wire past the terminal, at least no more than necessary. This will leave a hard spot in the wire, which can break with vibration. If everything is clean, this should work well. Keep a fan running over the general work area if you are doing a lot of terminals, no need to breathe the fumes. I often use lead free solder, but the higher melting temperature makes it more difficult to solder.

For crimpers I use Thomas and Betts, but others work as well: The model I like is the WT111M, you can find them for $35 or so. Also uninsulated terminals, with separate heat shrink, are low cost. More time is required due to the soldering, but 20 years later there should be no problems at all.
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Can we Please not bog down one of the greatest running THT build threads with whether or not to solder marine terminals. PLEASE
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For storing food, drinks and a little bit of extra ice storage I can see why you would want to use all of the open space you have upstairs but for large amounts of ice for fishing it would be much better below the cockpit floor. In the future if you get a water-maker and an ice maker I'm not sure of the ice-maker can move ice vertically that high and allot is going to melt on the way up to the bridge. I'd hate to see you put in allot of time and money making beautiful built in custom coolers upstairs that you may want next season in the cockpit floor. How much dead space do you have below? Can you get away with just using coleman xtreem coolers for a year then when you have the funds get the icemaker, watermaker, cut the cockpit deck and do that work next season. I always like to the idea of making something cash-flow, use it a season and then figure out what needs to be fixed after fishing it a season rather than guessing and spending money that could have been saved.
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For storing food, drinks and a little bit of extra ice storage I can see why you would want to use all of the open space you have upstairs but for large amounts of ice for fishing it would be much better below the cockpit floor. In the future if you get a water-maker and an ice maker I'm not sure of the ice-maker can move ice vertically that high and allot is going to melt on the way up to the bridge. I'd hate to see you put in allot of time and money making beautiful built in custom coolers upstairs that you may want next season in the cockpit floor. How much dead space do you have below? Can you get away with just using coleman xtreem coolers for a year then when you have the funds get the icemaker, watermaker, cut the cockpit deck and do that work next season. I always like to the idea of making something cash-flow, use it a season and then figure out what needs to be fixed after fishing it a season rather than guessing and spending money that could have been saved.
i'm doing a pair of coolers down below the back windows i the cockpit. I was thinking the upstairs we would just use on our FAD trips. On the FAD trips there is no running involved, we leave out at 6pm and go 9knots to the site, fish two days, and then 9 knot to the house. But now after the Woo, I'm still on the fence about whether it would be worth just doing smaller ice chest upstairs to use for the bait cooler during the trip, and then putting a pair of cooling plates in the back ice chest/seats. I'm running around today doing paperwork, but I'll be at the boat tomorrow and we are going to make the upstairs ice chest that may end up just being a storage. That's the idea of publishing on here, as I really don't know that much and there are so many people on here that know more than me. So ideas are always accepted.
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Found a cool program on the web called TinkerCAD. So, I measured all the electronics and made a drawing of the center console we are going to build tomorrow. I made a few, it'll make it easier to build in steps. Going to use all PVC foam and then glass is. The last two are hopefully the finished product. The blue divider in the middle is to put a piece of plexiglass on the right covering the top 6-8 inches of the radar and sonar and gauges so they don't get as wet. On the left, that is the GPS and the VHF, so I'll leave that uncovered so it isn't irritating to use. The radar and sonar once they are set you don't have to fiddle as much.

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And then in actual work we had a decent day. We got the front windows glassed in, inside and out. I didn't get a picture of the inside finished, but it should be dry by now.


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And I didn't get a good shot of this either, but we are moving the door to the middle. That'll make it where we can have two equal sized benches on either side of the door. We are going to make the door a double so that we can get motors through it when we have to.

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Here is the goal for the back again after we get done:




And then we got rid of all the nasty screws they used to put everything together with, sanded a few inches on either side and then double 1708 to make it all one piece.

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We'll see if I make progress tomorrow on that console...
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gunna be sweeeeet!!!
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Sorry if I missed it, what donks are in there mate?
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Should have 671s.
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It's unbelievable how fast you guys move.
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No kidding! I’ve been filling and fairing the inside of a center console build for 3 weeks.
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It's unbelievable how fast you guys move.
I think John threatens Harold with posting more pics of him in female night gowns if he does not hustle.

It seems to work !!
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I like watching your progress. I've been building a console and leaning post for a month and I bet you finish before I do. You'll probably finish a month before me.
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I like watching you progress. I've been building a console and leaning post for a month and I bet you finish before I do. You'll probably finish a month before me.
Your build thread is unbelievably fun to follow as well! But these guys are out of their minds haha - in a good way.
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I think John threatens Harold with posting more pics of him in female night gowns if he does not hustle.
It seems to work !!
I hope I get to. They quit selling the ugly clothes bag at the thrift store. I hope they bring it back, we loved the ugly clothes. Lately I've had to buy real sanding suits and they are a ton more! Honestly he's not really an employee anymore and we're just friends. The whole year I'm always going with him on other jobs just for fun, and when I have one of my boats out, especially when I'm in a time crunch with a big deadline, he is making all his friends come over after hours and they all just try to get my stuff done quickly. We've been on this boat until 9pm several days now, and 13-14 hour work days are super productive. I had one of the other boat owners actually call me when I trying to get this boat to ask if it was true. He was upset because he knew if I had a boat up in the shop, nobody would work on his boat after hours, and that it was going to take him longer. I had to laugh, but it really is true I never realized I had that affect on the shop. At 4pm lots of people in the yard get off of the other boats and instead of going home come over an give me an hour or two and won't take money. My corner of the shop had probably 10 people in it yesterday after hours, and I was only paying 2. I guess i buy alot of pizza, does that count? It's really nice having friends.

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No kidding! I’ve been filling and fairing the inside of a center console build for 3 weeks.


Good help makes me look good. If I were by myself this would be a lifetime achievement type deal...

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Sorry if I missed it, what donks are in there mate?


Thank God somebody answered that one because in Texas donks are a male appendage! Yep, 671 detroits. I have to leave them in there for a season, lots of people are telling me they raise more fish, we'll try them out and if it's true they might stay. Cummins 450 6CTAs would be lighter, more fuel effecient and faster though. So that is to be determined, we'll have to see how it runs.

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Your build thread is unbelievably fun to follow as well! But these guys are out of their minds haha - in a good way.


I am absolutely out of my mind. I'm starting to think I bit off more than I can chew here, but hopefully I'm just worn out from today. If I didn't have a couple of good friends helping me (mainly Harold and some of his 6 brothers and then a few other good shop friends) I wouldn't be so quick and capable. Today I just felt like I was moving but wasn't gaining ground. They got a ton of stuff done before we got a torrential flood. Most rain I've seen in 11 years here, and it was sideways again. Yesterday was pretty all day, hopefully tomorrow will be too. We'll see.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:08 PM
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Man, you guys in Florida be warned. The hurricane that just hit, started here and it was nasty here about a week ago. Today another depression just started and we really only got until about 11am of sunlight and then got hit with the best rain I've seen in my 11 years here. Super high wind, just nasty weather we usually don't see. I hope this one doesn't come together and start heading north or it might be a repeat of what just happened.

But, before the storm hit, in the 3 hours of pretty weather we had, I managed to get all the console pieces cut out of corecell. We got half of these glassed as well, and all the glass cut, but the weather made me run at the end and I didn't get pictures.



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And then we decided to make the back door smaller. I was going to go with a meter (3 feet 3 inches for us Mericans) but we decided it was ugly and we are going to take it down to 80cm (2 feet 8 inches in Merican). We are going with a single too instead of a double because that's just easier. We can still fit motor blocks through the door at 80cm, it'll be a little tighter, but hopefully we don't have to do that too often. This is rough, but here's how it looks now. Harold added the squares in the top corners because he wants to try a rounded top door, but if that doesn't work we'll just make it simple. He wanted to play with it, happy workers move faster so why not. I wanted square but 'm not building the door so I can't complain...


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Tomorrow I'm headed back to San Jose to do legal BS, so I'll try to get some more pictures up here on Saturday!

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