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Old 10-05-2018, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by c1steve View Post
John, when installing terminals on wire, do you crimp, solder, and heat shrink? Usually this pretty much eliminates corrosion in the wire. Also, after a panel is wired, you can spray clear woodworking type of sealer over the back of the panel to reduce green corrosion.
I'd recommend a conformal coating instead. It's available in a spray can and doesn't harden really so it doesn't flake off. Specifically designed for electronics application. Its what circuit boards in most any marine specific application are coated with
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Old 10-05-2018, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by c1steve View Post
John, when installing terminals on wire, do you crimp, solder, and heat shrink? Usually this pretty much eliminates corrosion in the wire. Also, after a panel is wired, you can spray clear woodworking type of sealer over the back of the panel to reduce green corrosion.
I try not to connect two wires, I have a ton of spare wire here in the house so I try to do one piece. And then I get the liquid electrical tape and put heat shrink on the connectors. Lately I have been buying the connectors that already have heat sink. Woodworking sealer is interesting, I have been painting my gauge panels for years with just epoxy, like the same we use on the wood, and that works great too. I think pretty much anything that isn't porous would do the job, Epoxy is just what we have lying around most here.
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I'd recommend a conformal coating instead. It's available in a spray can and doesn't harden really so it doesn't flake off. Specifically designed for electronics application. Its what circuit boards in most any marine specific application are coated with
That sounds amazing...and like something I couldn't find here. I'll look it up and see if I can import some. Is it sticky or does it wipe off, or does it just stay flexible?
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Yeah, we really didn't get much done. We built this roof to work under, and it works great when it rains, but there was some type of tropical disturbance Thursday and Friday and the rain was completely horizontal. And that passed today around 3pm, so we pretty much only got to work from 3-6pm today. But we did get a little done. I need more storage space on the boat, and it has NO ice chests really. I am going to build two below the back windows that are going to double as seats, and then a wrap around up top that is going to double as a bench, but I'm going to extend it into the area up front so that the ice chest is bigger than the seat. And while cutting this, for some reason hatteras stuck down plywood all the way around the bridge "hat". They did that so they could put those dang square headed screws in. We took ALL the screws out this afternoon, and then took out all the plywood, and we are going to make everything solid. I don't see any reason to have a boat that comes apart, so I'm going to lay some good glass in that corner and make the thing solid. And then with the bench in place, the vertical divinycored side of the seat will make the floor strong. Right now there is a little flex with the dry balsa. Hopefully we can get a full day in tomorrow, it's supposed to be pretty...

Here's the destruction we did upstairs today. The cut is going to be the seat height, and the ice chest will extend towards the inside of the wall. On the left we are just doing life jacket storage, up front we are going double walled and poured in foam, probably 3 inches, maybe four. Have to measure and see how much I can put. I don't want an ice machine because I don't want to have to fix the ice machine. So I'm hoping to hold enough ice for a few days to go to the fads. Somewhere to put all the food and drinks. That's the idea now, subject to change...

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Old 10-06-2018, 09:21 AM
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For longer term ice storage you might consider using one just to hold ice, opening as little as possible and one to work out of. Maybe even another smaller one for very frequent opening.
Saying this knowing us clients want to get in there and get something about every 5 minutes!
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Originally Posted by cuzn dave View Post
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For longer term ice storage you might consider using one just to hold ice, opening as little as possible and one to work out of. Maybe even another smaller one for very frequent opening.
Saying this knowing us clients want to get in there and get something about every 5 minutes!
That is a killer idea. I think I'll just store ice upstairs and food that we have to prepare. And use the two we are putting downstairs for the customers. Great idea! We are putting the fridge back in downstairs as well, so we'll have that too. I think it'll just take a few trips for the mates to figure out what works best. Good idea on the upstairs though!

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Just a thought on the fly bridge ice storage- how much weight are you putting up there and will it be on the centerline?
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Pain in the butt to haul it up there all the time .
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Just a thought on the fly bridge ice storage- how much weight are you putting up there and will it be on the centerline?
For sure in the center. Ice storage in the center, just life jackets on the side. Since we are taking out the front windows, I'm going to put some shelves below in the cabin with a TV (for FAD drives out) that will help support the weight too. Since we are filling in the front windows, that will help with the overall strength too. It just seemed like a lot of nothing right there, and I need somewhere to put the ice. I can't think of anywhere else to hide 4 sacks of ice, and I want to put a watermaker, but there really is no space for an ice maker. And then in a year, I might go seakeeper, so I need to conserve space. It's not going to be crazy big, maybe 4 or 5 sacks. And it will stink putting it up there, but we'll just put ice there for FAD trips, that will usually be empty. And I don't have to carry the ice. Most importantly, I don't have to carry the ice

And you have to keep in mind, I took out the control console which was an easy 500 pounds if not more. So the upstairs will be lighter full of ice than it was before with that console up there.

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Also getting rid of that tower - weight up there has some leverage rocking around . Happy for ya John
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Nasty day. We got everything upstairs sanded, sanded all day and tomorrow we are going to come in for a couple of hours and glass the top on. I really don't like how they did the top. Just alot of plywood upstairs, and the only point of it was so they could screw in the top. I guess that is faster than just glassing it on. But all the plywood upstairs was rotten rotten, so the top was just sitting up there. I'm glad I took it apart, it really could have just slid off into the ocean. But it's going to be solid now. All one piece. Here are some of the pictures of the ENORMOUS amounting of sanding we did today. We spent some time downstairs today working on window ideas, and just taking stuff apart. But the only thing worth taking a picture of is the sanding...


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A bit of 12v refrigeration will keep less ice down at temp by a factor of 10 my friend.
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A bit of 12v refrigeration will keep less ice down at temp by a factor of 10 my friend.
I don't know how to do that. I thought about taking apart a fridge and taking the freezer element out of it and putting it in the middle of the upstairs ice ben. Do you have a link? Like a cold plate sounds awesome, but I don't know exactly what that is and I can't seem to find one for sale...
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I don't know how to do that. I thought about taking apart a fridge and taking the freezer element out of it and putting it in the middle of the upstairs ice ben. Do you have a link? Like a cold plate sounds awesome, but I don't know exactly what that is and I can't seem to find one for sale...

Norcold AC/DC chill plates for boats is what you are looking for. I have them in my Cabo Drink boxes and starboard fish box. Really helps preserve the ice.
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Originally Posted by SailFishQuepos View Post
I don't know how to do that. I thought about taking apart a fridge and taking the freezer element out of it and putting it in the middle of the upstairs ice ben. Do you have a link? Like a cold plate sounds awesome, but I don't know exactly what that is and I can't seem to find one for sale...
Sure mate. Of course the brands here in Oz might differ to what’s readily available for you.
I run these in both the boxes (access lids on top) on my boat and either box is capable of freezing the contents if you wish, and of course if there’s ice in the boxes it lasts so much longer than it otherwise would.

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https://www.dometic.com/en-au/au/pro...-cu-96-_-79717

Plate used in large rear box. I actually run two units and plates in this to allow it to keep temps wherever I want them with ease Despite the insulation thickness being a bit less than ideal. The plate can be manipulated into shapes to suit;
https://www.dometic.com/en-au/au/products/food-and-beverage/refrigeration/cooling-units/dometic-coldmachine-vd-21-_-79727

A cooling unit is used in the front “food” box.

https://www.dometic.com/en-au/au/pro...vd-14n-_-79723

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A cold plate stores the cold and is best for intermittent refrigerating. Use shorepower at night, then let the cold plate work during the day.
If you are running a generator during the day, a cold plate might not be ideal. Cold plates systems tend to have allow larger variations in box temperature than constant cycling systems. A cycling system is simpler and less expensive. You could run a 12 volt refrigeration system, but they would most likely be too small for your use.

Adler-Barbour and many other companies make components. Also if your current system is a refrigerator, converting it to a freezer is not quite as simple as it sounds.

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Regarding my post about crimping and soldering, this is not for butts splicing wires. I was referring to the terminal on the end of the wire. Crimping and soldering, with proper heat shrink, yields a terminal that is nearly 100% trouble free. When you crimp and heat shrink only, green signs of corrosion eventually show up .
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Originally Posted by c1steve View Post
Regarding my post about crimping and soldering, this is not for butts splicing wires. I was referring to the terminal on the end of the wire. Crimping and soldering, with proper heat shrink, yields a terminal that is nearly 100% trouble free. When you crimp and heat shrink only, green signs of corrosion eventually show up .
Alright, you are dragging the truth out of me. I really really stink at soldering. I can weld, lay fiberglass, build and rebuild anything mechanical (motor or transmission), but I stink at soldering...
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Sure mate. Of course the brands here in Oz might differ to what’s readily available for you.
I run these in both the boxes (access lids on top) on my boat and either box is capable of freezing the contents if you wish, and of course if there’s ice in the boxes it lasts so much longer than it otherwise would.

Unit;
https://www.dometic.com/en-au/au/pro...-cu-96-_-79717

Plate used in large rear box. I actually run two units and plates in this to allow it to keep temps wherever I want them with ease Despite the insulation thickness being a bit less than ideal. The plate can be manipulated into shapes to suit;
https://www.dometic.com/en-au/au/products/food-and-beverage/refrigeration/cooling-units/dometic-coldmachine-vd-21-_-79727

A cooling unit is used in the front “food” box.

https://www.dometic.com/en-au/au/pro...vd-14n-_-79723

When I get closer I'm sure I'll have questions, thanks for the links!!!
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I get it. Amazing work as usual. Hopefully I can get out for a trip with your team.

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For sure in the center. Ice storage in the center, just life jackets on the side. Since we are taking out the front windows, I'm going to put some shelves below in the cabin with a TV (for FAD drives out) that will help support the weight too. Since we are filling in the front windows, that will help with the overall strength too. It just seemed like a lot of nothing right there, and I need somewhere to put the ice. I can't think of anywhere else to hide 4 sacks of ice, and I want to put a watermaker, but there really is no space for an ice maker. And then in a year, I might go seakeeper, so I need to conserve space. It's not going to be crazy big, maybe 4 or 5 sacks. And it will stink putting it up there, but we'll just put ice there for FAD trips, that will usually be empty. And I don't have to carry the ice. Most importantly, I don't have to carry the ice

And you have to keep in mind, I took out the control console which was an easy 500 pounds if not more. So the upstairs will be lighter full of ice than it was before with that console up there.
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I like the idea of the refrigerated box. Less weight. I just need to save a bit to buy the equipment. I really want a water maker too, I don't want carry around water. Like all things nautical, your wallet is the limit!
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