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Old 05-09-2018, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by xp8103 View Post
That is something I'm interested in as well!
Same here. Mainly because I want to see some numbers on the 2 new Mercs coming out. It seems like we had plenty of info, especially on fuel burn, on the G2s when they were introduced.

I bet the higher displacements will make them a pleasure to operate.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Billgran View Post
That was already done in the original test conducted in the summer of 2016 in Milwaukee when the small block G2 was introduced. Both had a redline of 6000 and both engines turned within 50 rpm of each other around 5800. Going down one size in prop pitch would over-rev each engine and going up one pitch size would still put them in the factory operating range but would limit acceleration and thrust on one engine. I got to drive the boat and tried all different ways to change the results but to no avail. Many Yamaha dealers were there and tried their best also and inspected the rigging and setup. Over 1000 people have been aboard the same boat as Bass n' Bay tested and the results never changed.
Post the link for others who still nit pick.
Common sense would seem to help them understand, but you cant remove a tattoo of fanboy from some people’s foreheads. There’s always going to be some visible evidence left LOL.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by antlerz22 View Post

Post the link for others who still nit pick.
Common sense would seem to help them understand, but you cant remove a tattoo of fanboy from some people’s foreheads. There’s always going to be some visible evidence left LOL.

I dunno, maybe they could try the video in post #1....

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Old 05-09-2018, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by antlerz22 View Post

Post the link for others who still nit pick.
Common sense would seem to help them understand, but you cant remove a tattoo of fanboy from some people’s foreheads. There’s always going to be some visible evidence left LOL.


Here is a link to the original discussion back in 2016 about the original video comparison. Unfortunately the factory video is no longer available probably because the latest one by an independent group is a better productioin and it is more complete as various testings, props, and configurations are shown.

etec g2 150 vs yamaha 200.

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Old 05-09-2018, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by captbone View Post
There is no way that they will agree to the test with our suggestions as it will result in a video that isn’t as provocative. Had the Yamaha boat planned off the video would not be as good.

1.) Try it against a Suzuki 150 vs G2 150
2.) Compare 175hp G2 to Mercury 175hp
3.) Prop at the upper limit of the RPM range
4.) Post the proposed set up before testing for suggestions.


The videos are marketing tools for Evinrude skewed severely in their favor The same way that I was able to cherry pick engines that would not allow the same results. These are marketing videos and not real tests.
Well, we'll just have to disagree. At no time did Evinrude try to control what I said or asked for during the test. The entire video was shot ad lib, there was no script. After it aired, I talked with my contacts at Mercury, Suzuki and Yamaha and asked if they would be willing to get involved with additional test. I wanted to use one of our Coastal 2200s and run everyones 200, all pushing the same boat with the same driver with the same load, in a heads up comparison. All I asked for was for them to supply the engines for the test and then the engines would be returned. No cost to any of the companies, I would cover all of the cost, including video production. Mercury, Suzuki and Yamaha all declined
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Old 05-09-2018, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BassnBays View Post
All I asked for was for them to supply the engines for the test and then the engines would be returned. No cost to any of the companies, I would cover all of the cost, including video production.

Mercury, Suzuki and Yamaha all declined


Do you think they already knew in advance what the final results would be with each of their respective engines compared to an Evinrude G2 of the same hp ?
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Originally Posted by BassnBays View Post
Well, we'll just have to disagree. At no time did Evinrude try to control what I said or asked for during the test. The entire video was shot ad lib, there was no script. After it aired, I talked with my contacts at Mercury, Suzuki and Yamaha and asked if they would be willing to get involved with additional test. I wanted to use one of our Coastal 2200s and run everyones 200, all pushing the same boat with the same driver with the same load, in a heads up comparison. All I asked for was for them to supply the engines for the test and then the engines would be returned. No cost to any of the companies, I would cover all of the cost, including video production. Mercury, Suzuki and Yamaha all declined

I'm thinking they don't want an independent, no skin in the game-- easy to understand, and in depth test. As it would show what we already know the outcome of, or will be.
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Do you think they already knew in advance what the final results would be with each of their respective engines compared to an Evinrude G2 of the same hp ?
As stated above to BassnBays, but adding that if they didnt --- that it would also leave some wriggle room. To say (leave open to conjecture or doubt) that when Evinrude conducted the test, that "MAYBE" there was the possibility of something amiss. Either way its safe to say there wont be any similar tests conducted by them, allowing Evinrudes team to go over their test parameters in person, like Evinrude afforded them for validity.
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Old 05-11-2018, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by antlerz22 View Post
Together both engines yes. But the test was conducted initially TO MFG's Specs. Evinrude didn't alter their specs to gain favor in the test. Its a standard formula MFGS apply to best suit the widest use for a particular design within reason. And they even changed the prop to assist the Yamaha from factory specs to help its numbers. So it was as fair as it could have been IMO. Some obviously would like to play around with many different props to find the perfect setup--which isn't quite as exact as some would hope. They were well within the ballpark standards. BTW what would be real world? Rods and reels and beer? Water was real, props were real, boat was real, parameters by the book for manufacturers specs were real---what more do you want? And it would be interesting to see Yamaha fans accept what IS REAL. This isn't CNN, the test was all real..Don't tell me you're going to write a book and title it "WHAT HAPPENED", LOL

Sorry couldn't help reviving an older thread and ribbing around a bit.
Sure miss the days when people didn't find ways to inject politics into threads :/

But I agree it's about impossible to convince some folks what's right in front of them. If anyone has any doubts about the torque of these motors, I invite you to get on a G2 powered boat and hit the throttle. And remember to bring your crapping pants, because you will crap your pants
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Old 11-10-2018, 08:08 AM
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OK I read this whole thread. Here are facts on the same boat.
BOAT : 2001 Cobra Predator Catamaran Center Console (not a whale cat but a sport cat) with jack plates.
2011 Yamaha F-250 engines various sized props used. Bravo1 28 kept it at a top of 5800 RPM top speed 68 MPH got it to 69.5 once with low fuel and perfect
conditions. Normally I could count on 68 MPH. Could not get on plane with one engine.
2015 Evinrude G2 300 HP same boat same jack plates. w/ Bravo 1 28's 5400 RPM 68 MPH Bravo1 26's 5800 RPM 70 MPH
The power steering broke at 250 hrs (very common problem on early G2's) 3 weeks in shop.under warranty. HOWEVER while in the shop there were some
recalls and cooling changes, one of which was a ECM re-flash. We put the boat in the water for testing 2 techs came along to check out everything.
As soon as I hit the throttles I asked "are we dragging something"? The boat was noticeably down on power! Top speed was 66 MPH. The boat lost
4 MPH with the re-flash! Evirude must have taken out some timing advance. The techs could not put the old program back.

Ok the Evinrude will get the boat on plane with one engine and the other STILL in the water, and the G2,s will also plane quicker. BUT WE DO NOT DRAG RACE
our boats. Also as long as the boat gets on plane reasonable is all that counts. I am mad that in the first place 100 more HP or 20 % more HP should have been faster than "whimppy" F-250's. Now after the re-flash the boat is slower than the Yamaha F-250's that were smoother and quieter than the G2's

I have to keep reminding my self of why did I take off perfectly good running F-250's. I hated changing oil, the filters were a pain buried deep in the engine and always spilled out. Evinrude said 500 hrs before anything had to be done. The G2's would be lighter and I would gain 100 HP. The only thing that is really true
is all you do is pour $45 a gallon (re-fill) which( takes more than they said they would use) and add gas. Would I buy a Evinrude G2 again? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. OH if someone has need for a couple of tug boat engines to get their big boat off it's butt: Here are 2 G2's300 hp with 300 hrs only run on 90 marine no ethanol using only Evinrude XD 100 oil with complete rigging and Icon7 panel for $26500.
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Old 11-10-2018, 12:26 PM
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Something is off with your G2 setup.. F250xca 4.2l engines or the 3.3l?
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Old 11-10-2018, 12:38 PM
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Steering inoperable on another G2? The rest sounds like a rigging issue.


Originally Posted by Kat Krazy View Post
OK I read this whole thread. Here are facts on the same boat.
BOAT : 2001 Cobra Predator Catamaran Center Console (not a whale cat but a sport cat) with jack plates.
2011 Yamaha F-250 engines various sized props used. Bravo1 28 kept it at a top of 5800 RPM top speed 68 MPH got it to 69.5 once with low fuel and perfect
conditions. Normally I could count on 68 MPH. Could not get on plane with one engine.
2015 Evinrude G2 300 HP same boat same jack plates. w/ Bravo 1 28's 5400 RPM 68 MPH Bravo1 26's 5800 RPM 70 MPH
The power steering broke at 250 hrs (very common problem on early G2's) 3 weeks in shop.under warranty. HOWEVER while in the shop there were some
recalls and cooling changes, one of which was a ECM re-flash. We put the boat in the water for testing 2 techs came along to check out everything.
As soon as I hit the throttles I asked "are we dragging something"? The boat was noticeably down on power! Top speed was 66 MPH. The boat lost
4 MPH with the re-flash! Evirude must have taken out some timing advance. The techs could not put the old program back.

Ok the Evinrude will get the boat on plane with one engine and the other STILL in the water, and the G2,s will also plane quicker. BUT WE DO NOT DRAG RACE
our boats. Also as long as the boat gets on plane reasonable is all that counts. I am mad that in the first place 100 more HP or 20 % more HP should have been faster than "whimppy" F-250's. Now after the re-flash the boat is slower than the Yamaha F-250's that were smoother and quieter than the G2's

I have to keep reminding my self of why did I take off perfectly good running F-250's. I hated changing oil, the filters were a pain buried deep in the engine and always spilled out. Evinrude said 500 hrs before anything had to be done. The G2's would be lighter and I would gain 100 HP. The only thing that is really true
is all you do is pour $45 a gallon (re-fill) which( takes more than they said they would use) and add gas. Would I buy a Evinrude G2 again? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. OH if someone has need for a couple of tug boat engines to get their big boat off it's butt: Here are 2 G2's300 hp with 300 hrs only run on 90 marine no ethanol using only Evinrude XD 100 oil with complete rigging and Icon7 panel for $26500.
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He already got an answer in his other thread from Seahorse about possible causes. I don’t think he’s looking for a solution.
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He already got an answer in his other thread from Seahorse about possible causes. I don’t think he’s looking for a solution.
Over 3 years ago no less, no responses then he decides to resurrect this thread? Modern 2 strokes are the Devil! I like Kats but damn.
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