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Old 03-06-2017, 05:21 AM
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Any up dates on the re-wire?
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I apologize that its been a while since the last update. I haven't really been getting a lot of feedback or questions answered along with a recently very busy work schedule. My SonicHub2, UniDock, Folding T-Top Light and 2 Rigid D-Series Marine Dually Flood lights have all come in and I dropped the boat off at Tall Sail Marine a few weeks ago for some gel coat/ fiberglass repair, vivid bottom paint as well as some compounding/polishing to remove the heavy oxidation off all of the tops side paint and a nice detail. Excited to get the boat back and it look New. In the mean time, I've been waiting for the Lowrance HDS carbons to hit the stores so I can pick one up and I need to put the auto pilot on order. I may also be dropping the boat off to a welder after it gets back from paint to have a radar mount installed as well as some trailer tie downs added. I will also be ordering fuse boxes and common bus's shortly then I'll be able to measure all the wire runs so I can order wire.

As far as wire rigging tube goes, do you just run one schedule 40 pipe down the side for the steering cables, motor harness, bilge accessories and transducers, or do you run one for all the high power draw items and one for the low power draw items to reduce interference?

I have also been looking at bilge float switches and I'm torn between an Ultra safety systems JR or a water witch... Pro's/Cons of each?
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Originally Posted by jrybicki View Post

As far as wire rigging tube goes, do you just run one schedule 40 pipe down the side for the steering cables, motor harness, bilge accessories and transducers, or do you run one for all the high power draw items and one for the low power draw items to reduce interference?

I have also been looking at bilge float switches and I'm torn between an Ultra safety systems JR or a water witch... Pro's/Cons of each?
There is no AC current(except a bit of leakage from the rectifier) in your boat systems so there is much less cross talk to worry about. You can run them all in the same tube. For sizing try to figure out the size of the bundles and the largest connector and size for <=50% fill on the bundles and make sure the connector(s) can fit. Put the hydraulic and fuel in it's own tube. If you need more than 2, you know what to do.

As far as bilge pump switches I'm currently installing some of these WEMA products. I have them on hand and they appear very robust, but I can't give any long term results yet. What I do know is that wema is no newbie to marine products and they have a good reputation.
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smccormick thanks for the reply. I was more worried about all the accessory pumps interfering with the transducers especially the 3d structure scan but that does make sense that there shouldn't be too much anyway. Steering is cable and trim tab pump is mounted in the bilge on the transom so no hydraulic worries there and the fuel tank is aft as well so I don't have to worry about that. I think I can get away with a 2" or 2.5" pvc for the rigging tube and I'm thinking of clamping it to the side or going with steel cable ties but I'm open for suggestions there.

I like that WEMA is steel and its a bit smaller than the Ultra and the price is a lot more reasonable however, I'd rather mount it to the pump and it didn't look like I could do that with the WEMA. How are you mounting them?
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Well I got bored this evening and tired of waiting for the HDS-9 Carbon's to hit the store when there's a few online retailers that have them in stock... sooo it's now on order. Once that comes in I'll be ordering the auto pilot and 4g radar and that will conclude all the expensive purchases and leave only wiring components left to order befor I can start ripping out the old.

Any suggestions on something a bit more water tight than the standard clam shell for running the hds cabling through the console?
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[QUOTE=jrybicki;10135331...I was more worried about all the accessory pumps interfering with the transducers especially the 3d structure scan but that does make sense that there shouldn't be too much anyway. ......I'm thinking of clamping it to the side or going with steel cable ties but I'm open for suggestions there.

.....I'd rather mount it to the pump and it didn't look like I could do that with the WEMA. How are you mounting them?[/QUOTE]

The pump brushes themselves can produce some EM noise but that will be local to the pump mostly. Smart to think about that.

I would suggest staying away from steel in the raceway application. Think tabbing with glass or fabricating clamps from pvc/starboard. This without the metal plates.
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You're correct about the mounting they don't have a direct method. I attach to a wall where I can or fabricate an "L" bracket from fiberglass or stainless. One end is screwed below the pump with the same fasteners as the pump and the switch to the other flange, Easy and fast to fabricate. Packing tape over something that forms a right angle and is big enough. Resin and fabric to taste. Peel off when done, sand, drill, install.

I can think of a couple of ways to adapt it to pump mounting, but I don't think I could justify the work... Darn it, now you've got me thinking about it.

Here's a picture of the real deal. It's a nice part.
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Old 04-02-2017, 10:04 PM
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I was originally going to use heavy duty zip ties with the square zip tie mounts but I don't think that'll be robust enough so I was leaning more towards the Adel clamp option. But you're right plastic or wood would be the better choice and easy enough to can.

Man that thing is no joke looks very durable. By chance is that mounting bracket welded to the housing? If not I could slide it off and go the band clamp method similar to what's on the ultra.
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Man that thing is no joke looks very durable. By chance is that mounting bracket welded to the housing? If not I could slide it off and go the band clamp method similar to what's on the ultra.
Not welded. You can mount it and slide the device up and down to get your desired switch height or in your case adapt a different mount.
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Perfect... now I have some thinking to do. Wish there was a bit more info out there on it but I know wema makes quality parts.
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Got the boat back from Tall Sail Marine today. Glad to have the oxidation removed and some fresh paint. Waiting on some new decals to come in and the HDS-9 Carbon should be delivered tomorrow. It'll be a few more weeks before I'm able to do much more with the rewire due to a business trip . Though I have some more things I can order and have waiting at the house when I get back.
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Looks great man and thanks for updating. Good luck with the rest of the work!
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UPS man delivered the HDS-9 Carbon today! I can't wait to get it on the Boat! That's all for today... just wanted to give you guys some eye candy
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Finally back from my business trip. Going to be ordering the Auto Pilot in the next couple of days and the 4G radar before the end of the month. Also looking for a local welder so I can get a radar mounting plate welded into the t top. I'm slowly accumulating the rest of the little bits which at this point is really just the wire, connectors, shrink wrap, label maker.

I still haven't decided if I'm going to run 2" schedule 40 or 3" for my main wire bundle. I don't want it to be overcrowded or have issues with overheating but, the 3" seems like overkill. I also emailed Stern Saver about getting a custom block made however I have not received a reply so I may try calling them this week. If they are unable to make one I'll have to go the DIY route. If that's the case is it better to go with Delrin or Starboard? and do you have to flame treat Delrin like I would with the starboard? anyone have tips/tricks on threading the plugs or is it easier to just dremel an undercut?

Today I was able to break out the Custom Helm Ebox that Boat Outfitters built for me and get the Unidock and VHF mounted. I think it turned out great, though the latch does slightly bump the VHF power knob, not a huge issue as the front plate will only be on when the boat is stored or I'm sitting at the dock for security. I also had to modify my Ram Mount slightly to accept the HDS-9 Carbon mounting bracket but I'm excited to get that installed soon.

Looking at pulling wires towards the end of this month, dreading doing the job, but excited to do it and have wiring I can trust and have all this new bling installed on the boat
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Originally Posted by jrybicki View Post
Finally back from my business trip. Going to be ordering the Auto Pilot in the next couple of days and the 4G radar before the end of the month. Also looking for a local welder so I can get a radar mounting plate welded into the t top. I'm slowly accumulating the rest of the little bits which at this point is really just the wire, connectors, shrink wrap, label maker.

I still haven't decided if I'm going to run 2" schedule 40 or 3" for my main wire bundle. I don't want it to be overcrowded or have issues with overheating but, the 3" seems like overkill. I also emailed Stern Saver about getting a custom block made however I have not received a reply so I may try calling them this week. If they are unable to make one I'll have to go the DIY route. If that's the case is it better to go with Delrin or Starboard? and do you have to flame treat Delrin like I would with the starboard? anyone have tips/tricks on threading the plugs or is it easier to just dremel an undercut?

Today I was able to break out the Custom Helm Ebox that Boat Outfitters built for me and get the Unidock and VHF mounted. I think it turned out great, though the latch does slightly bump the VHF power knob, not a huge issue as the front plate will only be on when the boat is stored or I'm sitting at the dock for security. I also had to modify my Ram Mount slightly to accept the HDS-9 Carbon mounting bracket but I'm excited to get that installed soon.

Looking at pulling wires towards the end of this month, dreading doing the job, but excited to do it and have wiring I can trust and have all this new bling installed on the boat
Looks great and rest assured, there may be a bunch of lurkers but there are plenty of interested parties in your project here. Thanks so much for detailing everything and your updates, and keep them coming.

The boat looks great after cleanup/paint, by the way. It will feel like you're in a new boat when all is said and done.
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Thanks man. This project has been in the planning stages for well over a year. Originally it was just going to be re wiring what I had, but then the more I lurked around tht the more ideas I got and all the upgrades I thought I'd eventually get started to seem easier to just install now so it was back to the drawing boards more research and much more savings.

It's been a fun project so far and I get excited every day to see what else the ups and FedEx guy has delivered for the boat.

I'm hoping that by documenting my project others can learn or be inspired to tackle their own re wire/ refurb/ upgrade.
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Well stern saver replied to me last night about my custom stern saver inquiry, unfortunately they no longer do them for cost reasons and not enough requests.

Looks like I'm going DIY so... Delrin or Starboard? Pros/cons of each? Any advice would be aporeciated.
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Not wiring related but my bow cushion has looked and felt terrible since I purchased the boat. It literally felt like someone stuffed it with a couple bags of sand. So I finally got around to ordering some dry fast foam for it which came in today. Now I see why that cushion felt like crap. Glad to finally have a bow cushion for the old lady to enjoy and not bitch about.
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Since I won't be able to touch the boat for another week due to another business trip. I have ordered all my wire, connectors, heat shrink, Artec side by side group 31 tray, fishmaster universal rails, Lowrance Auto Pilot and Lowrance 4G radar. There are a few other odds and ends that I'll need as I start the re wire but for now all the major components are either at the house or on order. Hopefully after this coming week I can start pulling wire. It's kind of a surreal moment, I'm excited/nervous to get this project rolling.
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The UPS and FedEx guys have been delivering the rest of my boat goodies while I've been gone. I now have everything for the project minus the tab locator kit since it's still on back order, hoping it comes in by June. For now though I'll just run an extra wire pull for it whenever it does come in. I'll be on vacation for the next two weeks, this first week 100% devoted to the boat and getting this project done... hopefully I'll be able to knock it out in a week any way.

I'll be starting the final phase in the morning and I'll try to remember to take a lot of pictures and update on my progress every night this week.

Cheers guys and thanks for all your inspiration to tackle such a large project!
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Didn't get as much done today as I wanted but I had to do some errands and pick up some hardware for the boat.

I started by applying the new decals
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Then I laid out the design for my homemade stern saver
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Pulled out the old transducer, marked off the area for the saver and sanded away the bottom paint. I also epoxied the old mounting holes to fill that in and protect the stern
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And the finished stern saver with dovetailed holes and rounded edges
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Waiting for the epoxy to fully cure in the old screw holes before I put this guy on with some G-Flex 655.

It's supposed to rain for the next 4 days, hopefully not too bad or it's going to slow me down. Tonight I'm going to get all the electronics that are going in the console traced out on cardboard and cut out so I can moc everything in before I start bondoing box board in place. Still trying to find some Bondo resin jelly locally for that portion of the project.

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