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Old 11-09-2016, 04:01 PM
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Fellas here is a 33 world cat rocking along, compare it to the freeman

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Old 11-09-2016, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MakoMyDay View Post
Here's some 4-6 Freeman video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOKdUy8gdgI
Don't like six footers to me. The boat is handling well for the most part, though I did hear an "oh sh**"" in there on one of the wave sets.
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:16 PM
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The seas we were in were very similar to the second half of the Oregon inlet video but at a bit shorter period. We were on the inside of Alligator Reef which gets chopped up and sloppy when blowing out of the NE. At 36-38 mph the 34VH seemed to be running within its sweet spot for these conditions.

The key to this post was the fact that we ran two monos and the 34VH in the same conditions in order to make a fair assessment. The comparable mono maxed out at 23 while getting soaked while the 34VH cruised at 36-38 bone dry.

This sea trial sealed my deal.
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rod27 View Post
there wont be a 30 month wait for long.
Oh, do tell more ?

4 foot to 7 foot seas and 40 to 50 MPH, Ya OK !
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:38 PM
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Take a look at the second half of the Oregon Inlet vid. Our conditions were similar with shorter periods. We ran comfortably at 36-38 because the short period seemed to allow the 34VH to bridge the gap between waves. At 46 we were airborne and uncomfortable but never slapped or bottomed out the tunnel.

In summary the only thing that matters here is the back to back comparison between two monos and the 34VH.

Man you guys are brutal! LOL
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:44 PM
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Doesn't matter how big the seas really were. The point is you rode in the exact same conditions on the same day and noticed and incredible difference. 30 Month wait? Holy cow. I guess the man has some orders to fill. Congrats to Freeman Boats, now hire some help.... haha
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Old 11-09-2016, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Trial View Post
I have no doubt they ride better than my old boat, but if you were doing 48 MPH in 6-7s and able to drink your coffee while landing on pillows, I'd be mighty impressed.
How did we end up at 48 mph in 6-7 foot seas from my original post? I said we were running 38 in 4 foot seas with the ocasional rouge waves. We ran 46-48!for a very short period only to push the limit and see what it would do.

Ask any Freeman owner and they will vouch for a comfortable ride in rough seas at 36-38.
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Old 11-09-2016, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by coastalfiberglass View Post
Fellas here is a 33 world cat rocking along, compare it to the freeman

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JDnIdKr-MHo
Sea trailed the WC32 and did not like it at all. It rattled and seemed to have quite a bit of movement at the console. I had my hand on the T top tubes and my foot on the gunnell and felt what seemed like moderate flex. The Freeman's on the other hand feel much more solid.
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Old 11-09-2016, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by afa928 View Post
How did we end up at 48 mph in 6-7 foot seas from my original post? I said we were running 38 in 4 foot seas with the ocasional rouge waves. We ran 46-48!for a very short period only to push the limit and see what it would do.

Ask any Freeman owner and they will vouch for a comfortable ride in rough seas at 36-38.
I'm pretty sure you are trolling and getting a good laugh out of all this but for everyone else taking this seriously I'll inject some reality here.

I make my living running charters on a 34 Freeman. We also have a 37 Freeman and a 36 Yellowfin. What you are describing is impossible. The boat may be able to take it but the people and equipment inside can not.

The conditions you described was a quartering head sea into an 18-20knt wind with a tight 4 foot sea and occasional bigger ones. No center console can run 38, much less 48 in that and the 33 or 34 Freeman would be doing mid 20's max.

I believe Freeman makes the best center console on the market. The quality, ride, and fishability are incredible but I can't help but cringe when I read these bullshit stories about hauling ass in huge seas.


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Old 11-09-2016, 10:46 PM
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Hoo-farking-ray......... the voice of reason and reality has finally arrived.
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Old 11-10-2016, 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by The Woo View Post
Hoo-farking-ray......... the voice of reason and reality has finally arrived.
100% agree, it is good to hear from someone who is trying to inject some objectivity into the discussion based on real experience. It may be the case that the Freeman has a better ride in many conditions than many mono hull center consoles. Someone who can afford it and is willing to make the various trade-offs involved in choosing that style boat would probably do well to take a sea trial and consider one among other options.

NOAA did an interesting study a few years ago using weather buoy data that correlates wind speed with wave heights at the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay. What the graphs show is that sustained 20 kt winds (knots, not mph to revive that one!) produced wave heights of a little under 3 feet with peak waves of around four feet. The wind had to be over 30 kts to produce even intermittent peak waves of six feet. I was in Ft Lauderdale last Thursday-Monday and the sustained winds were less than 20 kts, maybe 15-18 at the windiest point. That was my observation and is confirmed by the NOAA records. So it is pretty unlikely that there were true four foot plus seas out there.

Not many people are out running around in their 30 foot center console when it is blowing 30 kts and if they are, they are running less than 20 kts holding on for dear life and praying they get home safely.
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Originally Posted by Nomans View Post
100% agree, it is good to hear from someone who is trying to inject some objectivity into the discussion based on real experience. It may be the case that the Freeman has a better ride in many conditions than many mono hull center consoles. Someone who can afford it and is willing to make the various trade-offs involved in choosing that style boat would probably do well to take a sea trial and consider one among other options.

NOAA did an interesting study a few years ago using weather buoy data that correlates wind speed with wave heights at the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay. What the graphs show is that sustained 20 kt winds (knots, not mph to revive that one!) produced wave heights of a little under 3 feet with peak waves of around four feet. The wind had to be over 30 kts to produce even intermittent peak waves of six feet. I was in Ft Lauderdale last Thursday-Monday and the sustained winds were less than 20 kts, maybe 15-18 at the windiest point. That was my observation and is confirmed by the NOAA records. So it is pretty unlikely that there were true four foot plus seas out there.

Not many people are out running around in their 30 foot center console when it is blowing 30 kts and if they are, they are running less than 20 kts holding on for dear life and praying they get home safely.
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- I have never ridden in a Freeman.
- I am not a meteorologist.
But, I do have a fair amount of experience in boats, center consoles, large and small, and I do boat out front here, frequently.
If the winds where blowing 15-18kts, with ANYTHING of North or East (Which is was) in them, the seas could be 4+. The Gulf Stream runs to the North and it changes what is a "Normal" sea pattern.
With that being said, the post you referred to is probably the most truth said so far.
And for the video's, there is not one so far which represents anything like what is being described by the poster.
I agree with the rest of your post concerning Freemans.
They may be good, but they are not HoverCrafts in 6'.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:06 AM
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easy to misjudge wave heights.....but running back to back in monohulls and a Freeman is the key
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:11 AM
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The height of wave argument will never end!Everyone has there own thoughts about the size of waves.Specially newbies that havent spent many.many years on the water.I just laugh
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:15 AM
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Wave heights don't factor in direction of the current and certain wind directions produce more swell and wind sea than other depending where you are located.

I'm from N.C. with many days spent offshore. Off the coast of N.C. the Gulfstream generally runs from the SW to NE. The Ocean can be 2 different worlds out there.

Many days in the winter the wind blows NE. Hit the current running to the NE with a NE wind blowing 15 to 20 and trust me its 4 to 6 foot with no problems. Go back inshore in a little and its totally different.

Have bottomed fished many days 20 to 30 miles offshore there with a 1 pound weight basically 50 feet behind the boat because of so much current. Many times in 130 to 200 foot of water you cant even hold bottom with a 5 pound weight the current is so strong.



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100% agree, it is good to hear from someone who is trying to inject some objectivity into the discussion based on real experience. It may be the case that the Freeman has a better ride in many conditions than many mono hull center consoles. Someone who can afford it and is willing to make the various trade-offs involved in choosing that style boat would probably do well to take a sea trial and consider one among other options.

NOAA did an interesting study a few years ago using weather buoy data that correlates wind speed with wave heights at the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay. What the graphs show is that sustained 20 kt winds (knots, not mph to revive that one!) produced wave heights of a little under 3 feet with peak waves of around four feet. The wind had to be over 30 kts to produce even intermittent peak waves of six feet. I was in Ft Lauderdale last Thursday-Monday and the sustained winds were less than 20 kts, maybe 15-18 at the windiest point. That was my observation and is confirmed by the NOAA records. So it is pretty unlikely that there were true four foot plus seas out there.

Not many people are out running around in their 30 foot center console when it is blowing 30 kts and if they are, they are running less than 20 kts holding on for dear life and praying they get home safely.
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Originally Posted by afa928 View Post
The seas we were in were very similar to the second half of the Oregon inlet video but at a bit shorter period. We were on the inside of Alligator Reef which gets chopped up and sloppy when blowing out of the NE. At 36-38 mph the 34VH seemed to be running within its sweet spot for these conditions.

The key to this post was the fact that we ran two monos and the 34VH in the same conditions in order to make a fair assessment. The comparable mono maxed out at 23 while getting soaked while the 34VH cruised at 36-38 bone dry.

This sea trial sealed my deal.
I have fish this area of the keys now for 20 years. I have never seen 4-5 foot sea's inside the reef. It gets snooty, a very confused 3 foot, but the big sea's get knocked down by the reef. I have crossed Hawks' Channel many times in those conditions in many different boats. From a 35 Sportfish to Grady White. My buddy's sportfish pushes right through it but is wet if you are in the cockpit. It only gets rocking and rolling when you get out side the reef in the 4-6 foot sea's. Ran it a few times in an older 36 contender. Handled it fine at around 25/26 mph but was wet. Probably could of gone faster but an older gentleman owned the boat. Run it all the time in a Grady White. Really got to slow down. Around 15 mph to keep from getting beat. but you do stay dry. I will say that running 38 mph in those conditions is impressive. Just out of curiosity, what boat did you compare it with.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Scott Crown View Post
I have fish this area of the keys now for 20 years. I have never seen 4-5 foot sea's inside the reef. It gets snooty, a very confused 3 foot, but the big sea's get knocked down by the reef. I have crossed Hawks' Channel many times in those conditions in many different boats. From a 35 Sportfish to Grady White. My buddy's sportfish pushes right through it but is wet if you are in the cockpit. It only gets rocking and rolling when you get out side the reef in the 4-6 foot sea's. Ran it a few times in an older 36 contender. Handled it fine at around 25/26 mph but was wet. Probably could of gone faster but an older gentleman owned the boat. Run it all the time in a Grady White. Really got to slow down. Around 15 mph to keep from getting beat. but you do stay dry. I will say that running 38 mph in those conditions is impressive. Just out of curiosity, what boat did you compare it with.
this.....i also run my 37vh inside the reef in these conditions. In a beam sea usually, which is usually the worst for that "chine pound". My boat moves...dont get me wrong....but no pounding in anything inside the reef. Aircraft carrier ride.
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nodoubt View Post
6 to 8 here.....cause the video says so
actually pretty good footage
looks like they are slicing it pretty good
you can definitely see the different side to side , cat thing going on as they bob and weave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WS1JbngzMA
The thing that impressed me when Billy first posted this video, look at the guy in the green shirt on the 33. Holding on with one hand in those seas.
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:44 AM
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I've been doing this for 30 years now and have seen this cat crush come and go several times. Each time its the same thing "it's a miracle". How are all those other miracle hulls doing with regard to long term resale value?

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Old 11-10-2016, 06:56 AM
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interesting videos, nice boats.
One comment: a great many from the east coast that talks wave height smack here should spend a little time in the northwest. Or Portugal. It's an eye opener.
Not specifically directing that at anyone in the thread ok.

Again, real nice boats.
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