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Old 09-20-2016, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by maxie View Post
With a 22.5 degree deadrise and built for 40+MPH with a solid glass bottom she will not be as efficient as a Hinckley or MJM at 19 degrees and foam cored hull.....People who coastal cruise want comfort, so they want and efficient smooth ride for day trips at around 20mph or so that won't spill their drink or get fatigued, with a top speed in the low to mid 30's just in case they need it running from a T-storm...plus the Bertram still has that flat deck/direct step down to the berth, which in my opinion is crazy as it lets water directly into the birth when washing, raining or taking a wave off the side......its cute looking, but if you have that kind of money I'd still go with a H or MJM.


Agree, which is why I think Bertram is barking up the wrong tree with this offering/price-point.
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Old 09-20-2016, 03:01 PM
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This boat has a lower sheer line than the old 35.

I don't mind the engine boxes where they are, it makes servicing them more easy and opens up the cockpit.

Lower windshield and frames have got to go.

Can we have an additional 100 gal of fuel for 400 please?

Get the stripped base price down to $475-$500 now you have a winner.

I must be dreaming..............never going to happen...the price that is.
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Old 09-20-2016, 03:20 PM
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I am a huge Bertram fan----31 owner for 30 years---love this boat and would choose it over a 37 billfish----which will probably be more $$$.

The motor boxes are a big plus for servicing and for fishing/hanging out in the cockpit.

Very similar to a 33 Blackfin or a 42 & 46 Liberty (A 31 on steriods!)----

http://www.showmanagement.com/palm-b..._listing/20036

There are tons of cc's out there to choose from, I don't think the world needed a Berttram cc, I am happy someone is trying to keep this segment alive---
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Old 09-20-2016, 03:24 PM
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Old 09-20-2016, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by WavRidr359 View Post
To all the people complaining about the price, please tell me where you are buying a twin diesel sport fish for less?
I am not sure if that is the right question. The point isn't that I have to spend that kind of money so I might as well get this boat. 2 things will happen with this boat....no one will want to buy it at any price OR they will spend the money elsewhere.

If this is a picnic boat, this conversation probably wouldn't be happening. Wow, that rolls off the tongue doesn't it? Bertram picnic boat.
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Old 09-20-2016, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by craig mac View Post
Looks like a 33 Blackfin Convert. that's been stretched with the rear bulkhead moved forward of the motors. Very nice.
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Old 09-21-2016, 09:58 AM
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From what I have read online and via correspondence with the company the intent of designer and the builders is to be as faithful to the original 31' with logical modern upgrading. With that strategy in mind, I suspect that a Bertram 31' enthusiast will find the new 35' more appealing than someone that isn't a big Bertram fan. It will be interesting to see how it does in the market. I think the price is out of the range they should have targeted.
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Old 09-21-2016, 02:02 PM
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What if it had a couple of F300 outboards instead of the diesels, no engine boxes?
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Old 09-21-2016, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by craig mac View Post
I am a huge Bertram fan----31 owner for 30 years---love this boat and would choose it over a 37 billfish----which will probably be more $$$.

The motor boxes are a big plus for servicing and for fishing/hanging out in the cockpit.

Very similar to a 33 Blackfin or a 42 & 46 Liberty (A 31 on steriods!)----

http://www.showmanagement.com/palm-b..._listing/20036

There are tons of cc's out there to choose from, I don't think the world needed a Berttram cc, I am happy someone is trying to keep this segment alive---
Agree with you on the motor boxes, they are like a mezzanine for a smaller boat.
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Old 09-21-2016, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Boatless33 View Post
I adore the classic 31s and thus love this boat... Going to the AC in water show to see this boat alone. With that being said, for the price, if I were in the market, Viking would be getting my deposit for a 37 Billfish.
I agree with the Viking but that is also my dream boat...

The lines are nice but definitely not my style.
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Originally Posted by GWcpa View Post
What if it had a couple of F300 outboards instead of the diesels, no engine boxes?
They'd sell zero
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Originally Posted by WavRidr359 View Post
To all the people complaining about the price, please tell me where you are buying a twin diesel sport fish for less? Yes, you can buy a center console for less, but the target audience for this boat is not interested in a center console. I have moved from a center console to an express and I will never go back.

The Viking billfish will be well over $800K. I don't believe you can touch an Albemarle 36 for less that $650K. I think the price is right in the ball park for what it is. You can argue all day long whether it will have demand in the market, but if it doesn't, it won't be because of the price. Last I saw Bertram had already sold 7 or 8 without even having hull #1 complete. I would think now that they are hitting the fall boat show circuit they will be seeing more orders.
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Boats are expensive. If anybody thinks a reborn Bertram would somehow be a "value" brand, I hate to tell you that you're dreadfully out of touch with the modern market.

Just as a talking point....a 35' Downeaster from Maine would likely cost more than 500K, finished in a similar fashion. And that's with a single engine. Pretty boats cost a lot of money.
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Old 09-22-2016, 11:05 AM
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I agree, not sure what new boat shows they have been to that found brand new twin diesel boat for less, maybe Carver!?!?

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This is THT....there is no room for logic here.






Boats are expensive. If anybody thinks a reborn Bertram would somehow be a "value" brand, I hate to tell you that you're dreadfully out of touch with the modern market.

Just as a talking point....a 35' Downeaster from Maine would likely cost more than 500K, finished in a similar fashion. And that's with a single engine. Pretty boats cost a lot of money.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:03 AM
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Word us they have taken deposits for 9 of these so far...
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:55 AM
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I remember when the last Bertram 41 came out. My broker was telling how awesome it was and all the orders that were pouring in......and then crickets. It was an utter failure. Word was that they did have some deposits until they actually saw and ran the boat and then those deposits disappeared. I would like to see a successful new Bertram company but I question this is the right direction.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:23 PM
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Guys, there is no way you can compare the new Bertram to the old. Bertram was doing great until they were bought out by the Italians years ago. They wanted to make the boats "sexier" and reduce the build cost. This was their decline. The new Bertram is a completely different animal. While it may not be in the price range of some of us THT members, there will be buyers as there are for other new sport fish and big mega-yachts. The 35 is based on the 31 and the upcoming 60' will be based on the classic 54. Both of these were and will be the bread and butter of Bertram. I look forward to seeing the boat at Fort Lauderdale.
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They have sold seven on plan before hull one was build, and that up till June.

So it is not looking so bad. A 58 is in project stages here http://www.poweryachtblog.com/2016/0...ertram-58.html
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Old 10-12-2016, 03:41 PM
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If I was in the market I would buy it. I don't mind sacrificing some practicality for nice lines, quality, and the legendary Bertram ride. Some people prefer to buy a new Riviera over a 1980's restored Merritt or Garlington for the same price. Not me ��
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Old 10-12-2016, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kitebuz View Post
Word us they have taken deposits for 9 of these so far...
Ouch. I expect that the creation and launch of this boat cost millions. 9 boats doesn't sound too good.
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Ouch. I expect that the creation and launch of this boat cost millions. 9 boats doesn't sound too good.
IMO The investor didn't decide to build this boat to turn a profit. They built this boat to connect the new Bertram to the iconic brand of the past. They will use this to spring board into more popular and marketable models in the future. However, the investor owns other European builders so I am pretty sure he knows exactly how many hulls he needs to sell to turn a profit.

On the contrary, I think 9 deposits are pretty good for a boat that has been just been finished. I don't know to many people throwing down deposits on an unknown boat from a builder that was just acquired from the ashes by a new investor.
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