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Old 09-19-2016, 05:18 PM
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I adore the classic 31s and thus love this boat... Going to the AC in water show to see this boat alone. With that being said, for the price, if I were in the market, Viking would be getting my deposit for a 37 Billfish.
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by houlester View Post
Do the engine boxes create any more noise on the deck? I know Bertram did it to appeal to the 31 owners but would there be any other reasons?
Can't say for this boat but the '76 31 I tournament fish on, she's so loud that you can't hear yourself think. That boat has original Detroits however and should be going under the knife soon for Cummins repower
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:36 PM
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I may have missed it, but where is the 650k coming from? Was that the Boat Show price or conjuncture?
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:44 PM
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I had read hull #1 was being finished in a more "picnic boat" style and #2 would be more hard-core sportfish with a full tower and different bridge layout. Classic lines for sure, Lyman Morse yard building them has to add to the price. I get the nostalgia and history, have been on a few refurbished 31s and the owners loved them, but without a hardtop or bimini and at least a 3-sided enclosure the bridge has to be a miserable place in any kind of weather.

The $500-550 base estimate was what I thought as well, maybe if they go into full production it'll come down. Anyone have color on the Viking Billfish cost? I'd say wrapped around $850.
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Old 09-19-2016, 06:33 PM
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I like the layout and prefer the lower center of gravity of this boat with motor boxes. I bet it will be a great performer.
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Old 09-19-2016, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by forddeal View Post
I like the layout and prefer the lower center of gravity of this boat with motor boxes. I bet it will be a great performer.
How exactly do motor boxes = lower center of gravity?

The old B35 had the motors down low, below the salon and below the waterline.

Why would you ever want that much weight above the waterline?

My Henriques has an incredible ride and I think a lot of that is due to the fact that my C-12 CAT's are below the waterline and keep her from rocking.

I am no marine engineer, but the lower the weight, the better the ride is what I have experienced.

For my $$, I would by an older B35' and put in modern power and update it.

For $300K you could have one hell of a B35.

Honestly, it is going to be real, real hard to compete (other than name) with a Henriques 35', a proven hull that is laid out for fishing.

I am hoping there are big fish boxes in the new B35', as the lack of fish boxes was a big shortcoming in my B35.

I am a HUGE Bertram fan, so I hope they do this right, but so far I am not so sure.
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Old 09-20-2016, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Shake N Bake Sportfishing (formerly Colbachlaw) View Post
How exactly do motor boxes = lower center of gravity?

The old B35 had the motors down low, below the salon and below the waterline.

Why would you ever want that much weight above the waterline?

My Henriques has an incredible ride and I think a lot of that is due to the fact that my C-12 CAT's are below the waterline and keep her from rocking.

I am no marine engineer, but the lower the weight, the better the ride is what I have experienced.

For my $$, I would by an older B35' and put in modern power and update it.

For $300K you could have one hell of a B35.

Honestly, it is going to be real, real hard to compete (other than name) with a Henriques 35', a proven hull that is laid out for fishing.

I am hoping there are big fish boxes in the new B35', as the lack of fish boxes was a big shortcoming in my B35.

I am a HUGE Bertram fan, so I hope they do this right, but so far I am not so sure.
Bertram 35 had a level deck, motors below the deck. 31 Bertram you stepped down into the cabin. Which boat had the lower center of gravity? It's like comparing a 28 Carolina Classic to a 29 blackfin, you can tell the difference when boarding the boat which one has the lower center of gravity.
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Reminds me of a blackfin ...
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JAGSARE1 View Post
Small bridge, small cabin, windshield, engine boxes and $650K......sorry, I don't get it. In the early 60's, the 31' Bertram was revolutionary. This new 35 isn't. It simply doesn't make any sense and I think it will be a failure like the most recent 41' Bertram. But I wish them success, I hope they can get past this boat and build something the market wants. If it turns out I am wrong, I will be happy but for now, I will stand by on my opinion.
x2.....I don't understand the approach either. Doesn't do anything particularly well IMHO. Would be interested to see the "sportfish" layout but you would still
be hard pressed to have success in the market.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:27 AM
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I think its a very nice boat that will appeal to alot of people. As has been echoed quite a bit here the killer will be the price.. But when you see a 37' Grady Freedom (bowrider) go for 750k then this doesn't seem like a terrible deal.

Btw I am a Grady aficionado so not trashing it just comparing like sized overpriced boats.
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Old 09-20-2016, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LongIslandFisherman View Post
Reminds me of a blackfin ...
sort of like the Blackfin 32' reminded everybody of the Bertram 31'....
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Old 09-20-2016, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Shake N Bake Sportfishing (formerly Colbachlaw) View Post
Why on earth does this 35' have engine boxes when my 1979 35B did not?

They take up way too much deck space.

I do like the look of it.
i agree, and i also think the video was pretty damned short on pictures of the entire boat just the ceo flap jawing
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I would be interested to see how she would look rigged up as a sportfish. I know some of you have mentioned concern about the front window in the salon. I believe from the earlier renderings that the window is optional, and that you could choose a glassed in front if you wanted to. Also with regards to the engine boxes and lower centre of gravity. the original Bertram 35 had a step up to the salon with the engines crammed in below, and then to make room for the larger 3208 cats there were bulges in the bottom, to allow room for the transmission. I have been on an old 35 bert without the bulges that had been repowered with 3126 cats, and the salon floor had to be raised a few inches to fit the engines, which reduced the headroom in the salon and made the space feel cramped. so if you wanted to fit these size engines in this boat without creating an overly tall profile, you will need engine boxes of some sort. Hech even the cabo 35 had engine boxes done in a different fashion.


hope this clarifies a few things
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Old 09-20-2016, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ahoy View Post
Looks like they are trying to compete with the picnic boat segment and in that case it is a relative bargain when compared to the likes of Hinckley and MJM.

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I'm pretty sure that the Hinckley buyer wants a Hinckley, and a Bertram is not a Hinckley. I've ran into at least a couple of Hinckley owners, and they are very conscious of the brand name.
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Old 09-20-2016, 08:13 AM
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I like it. I see it (especially this one) as more of a picnic boat as others have said. I bet they sell a lot of them on the great lakes (in the thousand islands area for an example) and in new england. As far as build quality, time will tell how the new ownership does. If you look at the web site there are already plans for a bigger and more modern looking sport fish. I wish them luck. Viking could use some real competition IMO. It's priced competitively too no matter what you guys think it SHOULD be worth.

BTW - on my grandpas old 32 blackfin the engine boxes were the most coveted place on the boat. Great naps to be had there.

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Old 09-20-2016, 08:18 AM
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You can tell Bertram is an Italian-owned company with this design. On the outside, it looks like an old Bert...everything else screams day cruiser. Not a fishing boat, and a perversion of what the name used to mean.
Don't even get me started on the asking price...just nuts.
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Old 09-20-2016, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Time Machine View Post
I'm pretty sure that the Hinckley buyer wants a Hinckley, and a Bertram is not a Hinckley. I've ran into at least a couple of Hinckley owners, and they are very conscious of the brand name.


The point being, it appears to me that Bertram in this particular example is targeting the picnic boat crowd, so while a buyer looking at picnic boats may have a hard-on for a Hinckley, not everyone can afford the Hinckley or MJM price-tag, so at $650k and based on the fit and finish of the 35 it perhaps may have some appeal to this buyer pool. That being said, I think Bertram is barking up the wrong tree here.
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Originally Posted by Ahoy View Post
The point being, it appears to me that Bertram in this particular example is targeting the picnic boat crowd, so while a buyer looking at picnic boats may have a hard-on for a Hinckley, not everyone can afford the Hinckley or MJM price-tag, so at $650k and based on the fit and finish of the 35 it perhaps may have some appeal to this buyer pool. That being said, I think Bertram is barking up the wrong tree here.
With a 22.5 degree deadrise and built for 40+MPH with a solid glass bottom she will not be as efficient as a Hinckley or MJM at 19 degrees and foam cored hull.....People who coastal cruise want comfort, so they want and efficient smooth ride for day trips at around 20mph or so that won't spill their drink or get fatigued, with a top speed in the low to mid 30's just in case they need it running from a T-storm...plus the Bertram still has that flat deck/direct step down to the berth, which in my opinion is crazy as it lets water directly into the birth when washing, raining or taking a wave off the side......its cute looking, but if you have that kind of money I'd still go with a H or MJM.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:34 AM
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To all the people complaining about the price, please tell me where you are buying a twin diesel sport fish for less? Yes, you can buy a center console for less, but the target audience for this boat is not interested in a center console. I have moved from a center console to an express and I will never go back.

The Viking billfish will be well over $800K. I don't believe you can touch an Albemarle 36 for less that $650K. I think the price is right in the ball park for what it is. You can argue all day long whether it will have demand in the market, but if it doesn't, it won't be because of the price. Last I saw Bertram had already sold 7 or 8 without even having hull #1 complete. I would think now that they are hitting the fall boat show circuit they will be seeing more orders.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:51 AM
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If they want to sell 10 per year they hit the nail on the head. If you want to sell 250 a CC would be the safe bet. Not sure what their goals are as a company.

I live in FL and am under 40 yo, so I doubt I am in the demographics they are targeting.
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