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Old 07-31-2017, 06:12 PM
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You are correct, but he knew what I meant when I asked question.
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:17 PM
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Are cat owners the new blowboaters? Lots o' drama...
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:25 PM
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Damn... this gets better and better!

Still hoping for consumer choice of several high quality cats in a year that have a build time of 1year or less. The first to these variables will be much better off.
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:27 PM
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In addition, I pass in front of one of the best marine shops in Louisana three times a week. Too often I see the same three to five Freemans in the shop for some reason other than operator error. I have seen steering fail on the same boat twice, I have seen the tuna tubes malfunction on another boat twice, I have seen a floor lid break away from the ram because it was simply screwed into 1/8th inch fiberglass. I have seen another floor door break away from its ram and there was not enough fiberglass to screw the ram back onto the door so the owner had to come from the top with three bolts. Now when you get on the boat you see the three bolt heads on the floor lid. I have also seen cleats becoming lose when traveling because there were no locking nuts/clasps backing the screw. I have also seen a stress crack on a Freeman transom.

I guess you could wonder why I am a Freeman fan if I saw first hand all these problems. I am one, because Billy brought a great product to the customer. I placed my deposit because there was nothing that competed with the Freeman, until now.

Another factor in my decision was how Billy handled this birth of the Invincible Cat. I personally believe he was very unprofessional. For example, after several years of promising an expansion, his announcement timing of his expansion is quit suspect. In addition, the “World’s Greatest” thread was clearly a hit piece by someone for Billy. I just wish he would have been more professional, i.e., like Tideline. I also was concern when Scott stated on this site that they do not allow the selling of build slots, which was a complete fabrication, since I had paperwork which proved otherwise.

Finally, I do not know when I will accept delivery of my new boat; however, presently my twins are 16 years old, and I will have it before they are seventeen as opposed to 19 or 20.
I normally try to stay out of this but really? I would hate to sell you a boat, if you think those are "problems" you saw first had then you will really be disappointed in the invincible shortly after delivery if you actually fish it. Screws pulling loose on shock hinges? no way thats just terrible fit and finish, actully the same as my invincible 36. I had to go back and fix every hinge they did the right way. No big deal all the manufactures do it that way and i don't mind fixing things like they should be. You saw a stress crack on a freeman once? No way, how many hours were on the boat? Good luck with the invincible, might want to check with them and see how they handle cosmetic gel issues as I suspect you would be the buyer to want everything fixed. Also you may want to get your facts straight, people have known the bigger faciltiy was in the works for many months, most people don't get make it public until its finalized. Secondly the Worlds greatest post was from kendall. Go back and look as his prior post he means well but he is a bit different an has done similar threads for Invincible, contender, fishing reels etc.
Good luck with the Invincible and I hope its everything you expect but don't come on here with false information trying to justify it.
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rod27 View Post
Correct.....Scott/Freeman DO NOT sell build spots cuz it would obviously piss off every potential or current customer waiting in line. People who already have build spots can do whatever they please with their build spots. I traded my original build spot for a later one and Freeman had no problem with it.
Is that completely true though? My understanding is that several past customers at Freeman jumped way ahead to build 42s. That may also be bad intel. Just wondering?
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:35 PM
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Freeman can do whatever they want, but that would be a bad business decision if anyone found out, and a kick in the balls to everyone else waiting
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:05 PM
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Rod, posting the pm of Kevin's just proves his point. Freeman allowing build slots to be sold has the same effect as if they were selling them themselves - very long wait periods for those like myself who are actually interested vs others who are essentially buying Freeman futures at $40K+ a pop.

I'd take the Freeman over the new Invincible, but hopefully this teaspoon of Freeman reality will curtail the Freeman derail that's been going on most of this Invincible thread.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:49 PM
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Invincible got their cat in the water pretty fast which is encouraging.Are they lighter than the Freeman's?
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Old 08-01-2017, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AlreadyThere View Post
Rod, posting the pm of Kevin's just proves his point. Freeman allowing build slots to be sold has the same effect as if they were selling them themselves - very long wait periods for those like myself who are actually interested vs others who are essentially buying Freeman futures at $40K+ a pop.

I'd take the Freeman over the new Invincible, but hopefully this teaspoon of Freeman reality will curtail the Freeman derail that's been going on most of this Invincible thread.
I have no skin in this... but how does someone selling there already paid for slot, effect anyone at all, no one is skipped ahead of, no new slot is created.... now if Freeman was selling slots themselves and those slots were putting people ahead of others, then there is a complaint... I don't understand the problem
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Old 08-01-2017, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AlreadyThere View Post
Rod, posting the pm of Kevin's just proves his point. Freeman allowing build slots to be sold has the same effect as if they were selling them themselves - very long wait periods for those like myself who are actually interested vs others who are essentially buying Freeman futures at $40K+ a pop.

I'd take the Freeman over the new Invincible, but hopefully this teaspoon of Freeman reality will curtail the Freeman derail that's been going on most of this Invincible thread.
It's a business decision that can potentially backfire, if everyone is buying them to resell. How backed up are real orders,not people buying 2 and 3 spots to sell.

If I were Freeman, my policy would be,buy a build slot and build your boat. If you want to profit,sell it when we deliver it to you. I cannot comprehend how Freeman would not have a guiding hand in the selling of build spots. How would a consumer get a list of people who have slots for sale ? NYSE ?

Real Estate was the same way, at a point. Houses and Condo's were bought and resold, before it was ever built for a profit. We all know how that turned out.

In the end it's Freemans choice,wise one ? Time will tell.
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Old 08-01-2017, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by trophyfish58 View Post
I have no skin in this... but how does someone selling there already paid for slot, effect anyone at all, no one is skipped ahead of, no new slot is created.... now if Freeman was selling slots themselves and those slots were putting people ahead of others, then there is a complaint... I don't understand the problem
You buy a boat you intend on taking delivery of. You tie up a build by putting a deposit down on one or two additional future build spots, then as they get close to a gel date you sell them at a premium...40-50k to someone who does not want to wait.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tuna921 View Post
It's a business decision that can potentially backfire, if everyone is buying them to resell. How backed up are real orders,not people buying 2 and 3 spots to sell.
stop running with the hypothetical scenario.... very few people if any are selling their build spots. I had no intention of selling mine. I just wanted to see what he was offering.
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Old 08-01-2017, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rod27 View Post
stop running with the hypothetical scenario.... very few people if any are selling their build spots. I had no intention of selling mine. I just wanted to see what he was offering.
This was an Invincible Cat thread and has turned into a hypothetical Freeman thread.Go figure. You seem to know a lot about Freeman,how much are current build spot being sold for ? How many Freeman's customers are there ,that have multiple slots ?
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Old 08-01-2017, 05:36 AM
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Agreed let's get back to invincible. Kevin stirred this big hornets nest. But he's gone so it should be gone too. I have no clue regarding your questions.
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Old 08-01-2017, 05:43 AM
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just like most anyone on here, I don't have any skin in this game, but Kevin50 sounds fishy. Rather than go back and re-read all 63 pages, can anyone confirm if he has ridden the new INV cat? Or set foot on it?

Saying that the INV fit and finish is a 10 and Freeman is a 6 is a BOLD statement. As is saying that the INV craftsmanship is better. He also claims that the ride is "compatible", but I'm sure he meant comparable. Considering how new hull #1 is from INV, I find many of these claims to be somewhat suspicious.

As for the "issues" you claim to have seen with all of these freemans, you'd be a fool to think that other high end boats don't come with their own. I have hundreds and hundreds of hours on an INV and you can be damn sure that it has had issues. Doesn't make it a bad boat or any less of a boat. It just makes it a "boat", built by people, where potential mistakes are inherently part of the process. And while I haven't spent nearly as much time on Freemans, the limited time that I have has shown me that I'd be foolish to say that INV fit and finish is any better.
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Old 08-01-2017, 07:34 AM
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Kevin50 has been whining about build slots every time a thread comes up that involves Freeman....I ordered my boat a year ago and was told 30 months flat out....I e-mailed Myles about the possibility of being moved up if my deposit was a bit more with the extra not going to the boat price.....I as told flat out that it wouldn't be fair to the others on the list.....end of discussion....my suspicions are this whiner did the same thing and got pissed off with the answer so he figured he would bash Freeman till they moved him up...I highly doubt Freeman ran out and built a giant new facility in response to Invicible's cat build....so good luck with your cat that surely looks liked it was rushed to the market and is completely untested.....hope it works out well.....Mark
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Old 08-01-2017, 08:05 AM
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Work near the Invincible facility and saw the cat hull today. Looks very impressive.
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidewater 216 View Post
Work near the Invincible facility and saw the cat hull today. Looks very impressive.
No pictures?! Shame on you. This is THT and you know pictures are required.
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Old 08-01-2017, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Rod27 View Post
stop running with the hypothetical scenario.... very few people if any are selling their build spots. I had no intention of selling mine. I just wanted to see what he was offering.
Really??? You just wanted to know what he was offering because......
C'mon man.
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Old 08-01-2017, 11:32 AM
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Yup.....go back and read his posts. I knew he was fishing.....as was I. He isn't the first guy who has offered me a premium for my build slot.
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