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Old 04-24-2017, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by N2theblue View Post
There is a long way from "keeping options open" to "selling his slot"
The question was if invincible hits a home run with their new cat would he be selling his spot like that guy in Miami bought one for $ 75,000. I am sure if the invincible cat is as amazing as the drawing look and the specs and layout then those spots will probably be worthless I have seen several 37 come on the market recently I think the freeman crew might be running scared, but I guess time will tell. Once invincible first boat hits the water we will all know the future of freeman at that point...
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by seawolff View Post
The question was if invincible hits a home run with their new cat would he be selling his spot like that guy in Miami bought one for $ 75,000. I am sure if the invincible cat is as amazing as the drawing look and the specs and layout then those spots will probably be worthless I have seen several 37 come on the market recently I think the freeman crew might be running scared, but I guess time will tell. Once invincible first boat hits the water we will all know the future of freeman at that point...
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Please explain why you think that Freeman is in a position of higher risk as Invincible enters the cat market? Do you honestly think that Freeman is running scared?? Come on, you are an educated person. Game this out. I am not saying Invincible cant be successful in their cat, but this need to say his build spots will probably be worthless, that they are running scared, and to question the future of Freeman is simply driven by something other than experience.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Boatsareawesome View Post
Seawolf,

Please explain why you think that Freeman is in a position of higher risk as Invincible enters the cat market? Do you honestly think that Freeman is running scared?? Come on, you are an educated person. Game this out. I am not saying Invincible cant be successful in their cat, but this need to say his build spots will probably be worthless, that they are running scared, and to question the future of Freeman is simply driven by something other than experience.
Who says Invincible will be the only one to enter the cat market? This could open the door to others who want to enter a market with proven sales. Freeman has an 18 month backlog

If other big name South Florida manufactures start building cats, freeman will definitely lose some sales.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Captllama View Post
Who says Invincible will be the only one to enter the cat market? This could open the door to others who want to enter a market with proven sales. Freeman has an 18 month backlog

If other big name South Florida manufactures start building cats, freeman will definitely lose some sales.
The backlog was closer to 3 years, last I heard.

I think there is room for both manufacturers. I don't see why one has to be "scared" or in danger of dying off. Did Invincible kill off Yellowfin or Contender or SeaVee in the monohull market? No.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:35 AM
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Whatever the outcome with this 'new' cat, the customer is the winner. I think Freemans are amazing but that doesn't mean a new premium brand entrant detracts from that. Some like Mercedes, some like BMW and some will buy whatever the factory they know and trust produce.

I'm not going to say anymore on payments for slots other than, in any market where demand is very high, money changes hands. It's a fact of life. Let's not also forget that with the popularity of some products, I'm sure it's entered into owners minds that it may be possible to flip a slightly used one and buy a new 'product' for very little extra outlay.

I for one will be looking forward to a new build thread and let's be honest. Most here want to see the new Invincible. When it arrives we can then escalate the debate
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Boatsareawesome View Post
Seawolf,

Please explain why you think that Freeman is in a position of higher risk as Invincible enters the cat market? Do you honestly think that Freeman is running scared?? Come on, you are an educated person. Game this out. I am not saying Invincible cant be successful in their cat, but this need to say his build spots will probably be worthless, that they are running scared, and to question the future of Freeman is simply driven by something other than experience.
When rod27 mentioned invincible as a possibility leaving the door open I questioning if he was selling his spot out of curiosity... if invincible comes out with a winner then why would anyone pay for a spot when they could get delivery from invincible in 2 to 3 months and I do not know why, but recently I have seen several freeman 37 come on the market maybe because of freeman 42 or the annocement of invincible cat... but with all this competition with other cats from other companies I feel no one is going to wait 3 years so only time will tell and how this is going affect Freeman's future in south Florida .... I know if I owned a freeman now I would be thinking of the future of my resale. I know if I sold it now I could probably get what I paid for it...but once invincible release there who knows where my resale value will be... until invincible release their cat our conversation is hypothetical
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by seawolff View Post
When rod27 mentioned invincible as a possibility leaving the door open I questioning if he was selling his spot out of curiosity... if invincible comes out with a winner then why would anyone pay for a spot when they could get delivery from invincible in 2 to 3 months and I do not know why, but recently I have seen several freeman 37 come on the market maybe because of freeman 42 or the annocement of invincible cat... but with all this competition with other cats from other companies I feel no one is going to wait 3 years so only time will tell and how this is going affect Freeman's future in south Florida .... I know if I owned a freeman now I would be thinking of the future of my resale. I know if I sold it now I could probably get what I paid for it...but once invincible release there who knows where my resale value will be... until invincible release their cat our conversation is hypothetical
but it's the same now w/mono hulls...INV you can get in a few months whereas SV, YF you have a wait over 1 year. this is why SV & YF tend to have better resale than INV - why buy used when you can get new nearly right away (unless you can get it cheap) . what makes you think they'd do better with a cat?
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by oldbrowndog View Post
but it's the same now w/mono hulls...INV you can get in a few months whereas SV, YF you have a wait over 1 year. this is why SV & YF tend to have better resale than INV - why by used when you can get new nearly right away (unless you can get it cheap) . what makes you think they'd do better with a cat?
As I previously mention only time will tell how this will play out... currently the Demand for all used center consoles is high including Invincible's and all used boats less than 4 years old sell very quickly ,,,,,
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Just out of curiosity, and only curiosity as I have no dog in this fight....

Why is INV's wait time not like the others? I consider their boats to be just as good or better then YF or Contender (all subjective though as I have never been on any of the boats in person). Are they just better at keeping up with the demand?
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Old 04-24-2017, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 03silverTJ View Post
Just out of curiosity, and only curiosity as I have no dog in this fight....

Why is INV's wait time not like the others? I consider their boats to be just as good or better then YF or Contender (all subjective though as I have never been on any of the boats in person). Are they just better at keeping up with the demand?
I am a customer that has owned one for 2 1/2 years. When I went to their factory an saw the size of it and how many people are employed there and how organized they are ... that is why they can produce a high quality boat in a short time frame. If you live in the south Florida area it is well worth a trip there.. you will amazed
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by seawolff View Post
I am a customer that has owned one for 2 1/2 years. When I went to their factory an saw the size of it and how many people are employed there and how organized they are ... that is why they can produce a high quality boat in a short time frame. If you live in the south Florida area it is well worth a trip there.. you will amazed
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Just out of curiosity, and only curiosity as I have no dog in this fight....

Why is INV's wait time not like the others? I consider their boats to be just as good or better then YF or Contender (all subjective though as I have never been on any of the boats in person). Are they just better at keeping up with the demand?
What Jon said plus they just bought a massive adjacent building (I'm guessing 30k sq ft.) to the factory for the increase in production they have.
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Captllama View Post
Who says Invincible will be the only one to enter the cat market? This could open the door to others who want to enter a market with proven sales. Freeman has an 18 month backlog

If other big name South Florida manufactures start building cats, freeman will definitely lose some sales.
I talked with Freeman late last week. The current wait is 36 months.
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 03silverTJ View Post
Just out of curiosity, and only curiosity as I have no dog in this fight....

Why is INV's wait time not like the others? I consider their boats to be just as good or better then YF or Contender (all subjective though as I have never been on any of the boats in person). Are they just better at keeping up with the demand?


Every time I am out on the water in Miami I see several new Invincibles 36-42ft. A few years ago I would see a few of those boats. I think they are producing a lot more boats faster than other custom builders at this point.
Went up to Pompano and I saw plenty of them on lifts behind some big houses.
They got their stuff together and I tend to agree with Seawolff here. If I were in the market for a 40' Cat and its comparable to the freeman with wait times of less than a year. I would go for the INV.
The INV cat buyers that get in now will be paying less than buyers getting in 6 months to a year from now. Once demand increases I am sure they will up the price.
Just saw on another thread that Seahunter announced a 38' Cat so the competition will hurt Freeman but not saying they will go broke. And its their own fault really for taking so long to expand their facility. Gave room for the competition to come in underneath them.
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This is genuinely not intended to ‘stir’ the pot, but I have heard that invincible’s long term health doesn’t look as solid as some of the other FLA builders (YF, SV, etc) and more so that the Cat they’re building could ‘make or break’ them…..whole lot of suspense building
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This is genuinely not intended to ‘stir’ the pot, but I have heard that invincible’s long term health doesn’t look as solid as some of the other FLA builders (YF, SV, etc) and more so that the Cat they’re building could ‘make or break’ them…..whole lot of suspense building
Your info is wrong as is your source.
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:23 PM
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It should be very interesting to see this cat hit the water. I ride on Sarasota's
Freeman almost weekly and I try constantly to try to figure out what I'd change and the only thing I can think of is sleeping arrangements and a magical icemaker. The fishability is second to none so Invincible has a tall order and may very well have a failure as well as a winner, especially going straight from computer to mold without testing plugs.
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Originally Posted by Saltybrad View Post
It should be very interesting to see this cat hit the water. I ride on Sarasota's
Freeman almost weekly and I try constantly to try to figure out what I'd change and the only thing I can think of is sleeping arrangements and a magical icemaker. The fishability is second to none so Invincible has a tall order and may very well have a failure as well as a winner, especially going straight from computer to mold without testing plugs.
Again faulty information I saw picture of the plug I think you better check your sorce
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all this talk and no pics...I had a professor in college once tell me, if its not on paper it doesn't exist...
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Originally Posted by seawolff View Post
With 9 posts in 4 years I wouldn't take anything you say seriously it is guys like you that open a second account to spread false rumors if you want to post under your real name we might take a little more credibility in your opinion otherwise I think you are just trying to hurt invincible with a false rumor..
I love the theory on this website that somehow post counts justify the validity of who is typing behind a screen name. You're right, haha, I opened up this account 4 years ago when I looked into my crystal ball so i'd have an opportunity to badmouth invincible.

I have heard by three different people, none of whom know each other or are even in the SAME STATE that invincible needs this to succeed to help their long term health. Could be fact, could be complete BS. I was referring to the suspense building for the general public in addition to invincible, as I have to imagine this failing would have big ramifications for the company. This isn't like Bertram taking a crack at re-entering the 'small' boat market with their 35 or Viking trying to see if they can be successful with their 37 billfish.
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seawolf or anthem - correct me if i'm wrong, doesn't INV build the hulls and have them ready / in stock so when an order is placed it's just rigging and other options that have to be done? if that's the case is any hull color gelcoat or paint?
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