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1976 23 seacraft restoration. 1-2, questions post 400-401, plumbing/livewell?

Old 07-08-2016, 05:09 PM
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Default 1976 23 seacraft restoration. Deck is ON!

Got sick of hunting for a 23-25' single engine built the way I want it, so I decided to take on a project. It's been sitting a little over a decade.

Transom was new five years ago, but probably needs a little love. Deck is shot. Stringers are good (so far anyway. Cap is in OK shape. Hull itself is solid as a rock. Trailer it sits on is worth more than I paid for the boat?

Plan is as follows, nothing in stone:

Flatten dance floor, eliminate forward fish box in deck and add 90-100 gallon fuel tank right even with the forward bulkhead where the "step" is. Thoughts on vendor for gas tank? Don't think custom is necessary if it is I have a great metal guy. Probably remove liner and definitely remove those vents in bow. Raise deck 4" or so.

Close transom, small live well in transom, plumb for removable 40 gallon under lean post. Potentially reUse original glovebox size aft hatches in the corners, one as a sink one Random storage.

add removable bench seat on transom with back and some sort of removable shade contraption. I sold my wife on the fact this was a "family friendly boat", whatever that means. To me it means I'll have shade on demand and a dry spot to sit that isn't a bean bag.

Smaller console. Current console is beast but is 77 freaking inches long. That's absurd. It's also 37" wide, ironically I have a beautiful console off a 23 on my 20' SC, I suck in every time I walk around it. Any thoughts on a good console? Wait let me guess, "call manny at competition". If so, which one? The one off the 23?

Hang a Suzuki 250 on it with a single engine bracket. In the market if anybody has one, shipping doesn't scare me.

Where to add storage in the deck? Would love two fish boxes in stern. Bow storage is out, because of gas tank.

Coffin box in bow? Anybody done this? Is it just too small a boat? Could I fit a Removable 300ish quart yeti maybe? Naturally I sold the one I had four years ago.

Console forward? Just a few inches? Is anybody doing this? I'm planning on about a 14" transom leaving (with current transom) 77" from back of console to inner bulkhead of transom, and also 77" to anchor locker in bow.

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Old 07-08-2016, 05:13 PM
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After an afternoon of elbow grease and trash removal. Deck is coming up so I didn't scrub too hard. Thinking liner is also coming out too so that was wasted scrubbing.
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Look how much bigger she looks than my 1977 20' master angler.
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Old 07-08-2016, 06:39 PM
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I have a console out of a 22ft Judge boat out of Maryland in my 23. Very Low profile, doesnt make for the most storage but it houses 3 batteries and other necessities. If you flattened the deck i believe there is plenty of room for a small coffin. Also would help with the weight from livewells in the stern. I am 6'4, 240 and i have plenty of room and am not cramped at all with my console.
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So I'm on the tail end of the clean out, and I hear a noise. I had a giant old hatch full of foul water I was getting ready to dump. I thought it was a rat at first, but it was a tiny kitten. Scooped him up with thumb and forefinger he was so small, maybe five inches long. I thought I had a new friend for my dogs to play with, then four more poked their heads out to join their sibling. I know nothing about cats but my nanny said they were too small to be raised without momma.

Called the guy (super cool old surfer from Edisto) I bought boat from and met him to drop them back on his property with their momma.
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Old 07-08-2016, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GetLit View Post
I have a console out of a 22ft Judge boat out of Maryland in my 23. Very Low profile, doesnt make for the most storage but it houses 3 batteries and other necessities. If you flattened the deck i believe there is plenty of room for a small coffin. Also would help with the weight from livewells in the stern. I am 6'4, 240 and i have plenty of room and am not cramped at all with my console.
I'd love to see a pic. Side profile and also dash layout would be ideal. I hate a cluttered dash, going to keep it as clean as I can.

The stern (transom) live well will be small. 15 gallons twenty tops. Think shrimp or finger mullet. If I'm doing serious live bait fishing I have a removable one I will run under the lean post, though yeah, that's still kind of the back.

I'm a big fan of clean simple layouts. I've owned bigger boats with tons of storage it's just more hatches to clean. My biggest question on this build is where to add storage and how much I'll need.
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Good find and great boat worth restoring, but why would you raise the floor 4 inches?
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First you DO NOT need to move the fuel tank to the extreme forward. Mine is 100 gallons and right to the front of the console which leaves that large in deck storage between the console and front step up. Second, are you trying to refurbish a SeaCraft and keep it mostly original or just use the hull as a basis for a completely redone boat?

A full twin flotation bracket and 250 hp of your choice should float nicely
and be self bailing with standard deck. Lift it more than 2" and you'll loose that "safe" feeling while being on board. Keep us updated.
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http://www.classicseacraft.com
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Old 07-09-2016, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by redseacraft View Post
First you DO NOT need to move the fuel tank to the extreme forward. Mine is 100 gallons and right to the front of the console which leaves that large in deck storage between the console and front step up. Second, are you trying to refurbish a SeaCraft and keep it mostly original or just use the hull as a basis for a completely redone boat?

A full twin flotation bracket and 250 hp of your choice should float nicely
and be self bailing with standard deck. Lift it more than 2" and you'll loose that "safe" feeling while being on board. Keep us updated.
Just using the hull as a platform. No interest in keeping it original. I don't love the super high gunnels the boat has. It's 26" in the aft corners. Current boat is 20" (was raised 5") and feels perfect. Mine will probably go up 4" or so leaving 22".

What power do you have hanging On yours? Bracketed? Oversize trim tabs?

If I DIDNT move the tank forward and flattened the deck I would be able to gain huge Amounts of storage under deck in bow. Just seems the prevailing wisdom is move it as far forward as you can go. Especially with added weight of live wells in back.

If I didn't raise the deck I would end up breaking the shearline to get lower freeboard/gunnels height and that may be more work than I want to tackle. I like the original lines of the boat a lot.

I've been a member on CSC for years, the traffic on that site has gone way down lately. And with so many impressive seacraft Restos documented on THT combined with the high traffic, I'm here.

Speaking of not caring about keeping it original, couple free items for local pick up if anybody is looking:
The console (once I'm 100% certain I'm not using it)
Under gunnel rod holders, original, probably only good for a template
The original wood louvered console door is in surprisingly good shape. I'm fine with giving this for free but want it to go to someone doing a true restoration.
Miscellaneous cover pieces of the deck, all thru the middle channel, again mostly just good as templates.

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Old 07-11-2016, 04:02 AM
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Anybody else want to weigh in on fuel tank placement and deck height?

On my way to seal the deal on engine purchase in an hour...
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Having restored a 23ft SeaCraft and deciding to NOT raise the deck, I'd strongly advise you to raise the floor by at least 2 inches. 3 would be better.

At rest and in flat calm seas, I could sometimes leave the drain plugs out of the boat and it would sometimes self-bail. But once a person got in the boat or there was any kind of sea, water would flow-through like a small river.

I bracketed my 23, and pushed the fuel tank forward to the position if the below deck storage compartment. So the fuel cell was completely under the console and leaning post area. That was a good position IMO. My tank was 100 gallons and I got 3.0 to 3.3 mpg in calm conditions with a single Honda 225
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Originally Posted by Double tyme View Post
Anybody else want to weigh in on fuel tank placement and deck height?

On my way to seal the deal on engine purchase in an hour...
Maybe shoot Ole Parker (ParkerYacht) a PM. He has expensive experience with 20' Seacrafts, don't know if he has ever done a 23' but maybe pick his brain a bit.

Look forward to seeing this project come together.
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Old 07-11-2016, 05:48 AM
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did not read your entire post yet but definitely raise the deck and flatten it out but like
redseacraft said with 100 gallon tank you will have plenty to put a large in deck storage
in front of the console. Good luck I'll be following this one
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Just finished mine, detailed on CSC.

http://www.classicseacraft.com/commu...ad.php?t=26937

Raised deck 2 inches. Used GEMLUX scupper system, only way to go for dry deck.

Also see tank and hatch in front of console. Moved tank about 18 inches forward and put in a 122 gallon tank. I did use composite material throughout, so my boat is probably lighter than many.
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I have the same boat, '73 and am local. I restored mine 5 years ago and would be happy to talk more if you want. Sunshine tanks in Fla built my 118gal and I kept the fwd bulkhead and fish box, Hermco big bracket w/single Yam 250 2S. I did raise my deck by ~ 2-1/2" with deck drains through transom. Name:  IMG_1450_zpsbjfcsgcj.jpg
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Looking forward to your progress. I expect yours will move along quicker than my project. I just picked up an '85 Sceptre about a month ago that I'm getting started on. I'm de-rigging the old 140 loopers and think I'll go with a big single. Being that mine is a cuddy, and a SeaCraft Industries hull, and 144 gal. tank I think mine will easily outweigh yours. I'm thinking a 300 on mine depending on what kind of used deals I can find. But I'd be interested in seeing how it runs if you get yours powered prior to me finding/deciding on a motor. Really goes for anyone in Charleston with a 23 SC, I'd love to see how it runs with a 250 or bigger 4 stroke.

On CSC, I started a similar planning stages thread for mine over there...getting any discussion stirred up so far is like pulling teeth. May have to just start up a thread here instead.
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The 250SHO yam is an absolute beast...amazing torque that would be real handy in throwing that baby on top...also is almost as light as a 2 stroke... Just a thought...
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Old 07-14-2016, 01:42 PM
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Engine has been purchased. Going with a 250 Suzuki. Deal I found was too good to pass up. I didn't want to buy an engine til fall, but oh well. It was worth it.

Im a fan of a single engine bracket. And I think I found one. Not the full swim platform. Any reason that won't work on this build?

Just don't see the need for more than 100 gallons with my setup.

Going to start cutting up outer deck this weekend I think.

Trailer is all dialed in. Bunks and axles are good, new winch stand, winch, jack, chains, truck connection, and tide bars. Could sell it for more than I have in the boat, so there's always that.

If Any of you (local) guys are purists the teak louvered door I pulled out is in decent shape and free to a good home.
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Went on gem lux site messing around. Impressive discount section right now, filled with latches, hinges, struts, etc.

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http://www.gemlux.com/catalog/Item-Specials

Still psyching myself up to cut deck out tomorrow it was too hot today.
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