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Old 10-29-2015, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioneer180 View Post
I always thought Salifish were better boats. I wonder if you can still find that on newer ones.
I had a 2002 sailfish 236 that had some fiberglass issues including transom cracks and the center console became detached on the sea trial. These items were fixed by the broker as part of the purchase back in 2007. I should have backed out of transaction as this was just the beginning. I was told that sailfish had some growing pains in the early 2000's when they were going after market share. I have heard the newer boats are of better quality but time will tell.
Old 10-29-2015, 05:11 PM
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That sucks. And I agree with you, age has nothing to do with quality. Or lack of.

I hate to say it, but in addition to being pissed off about discovering that bad area on the hull, I'd be worried about other areas that they might've made the same mistake. Anyway you can tap, or sound out the hull bottom looking for other bad, delaminated spots? Like you would a transom.
The guy who did the work on my boat did just that. He could tell they were all over, I had him fix the area that needed attention at the moment cause it would have drained my bank account trying to repair the whole hull. He said it will have more problems in the future for sure and basically to take it easy on her. Anyone want to buy a Sailfish?
Old 10-29-2015, 05:17 PM
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Ask em what they did to correct this obvious issue with their quality control. Oh yeah, and tell em they lost a potential sailfish customer. They better be making a damn good product for the sky high prices they're charging for these boats.
Trust me I tried talking to them and asking them how this happened and, well, heres their response.....

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Old 10-29-2015, 05:23 PM
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after seeing that and their lack of responsibility, I would not touch a Sailfish. if they were concerned about quality control, that boat would be back at the factory. Find the problem and fix it. im sure the Op would tell the boating world just how good they were. That would sell a lot of boats
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Originally Posted by fireisland1 View Post
after seeing that and their lack of responsibility, I would not touch a Sailfish. if they were concerned about quality control, that boat would be back at the factory. Find the problem and fix it. im sure the Op would tell the boating world just how good they were. That would sell a lot of boats

You would think. I mean its not like I don't live in the Sailfish capitol of the world or anything, (not the boat fortunately) and have basically everyone of my friends in boating... Next time I hear, "hey thats a nice little boat" I'm gonna say "wanna buy it?"
Old 10-29-2015, 06:20 PM
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It would be one thing if they repaired the delamination free of charge, but this is so much worse than just a defect in structure. It's a total d1ckmove of them to not at least try to help.
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Originally Posted by Argon View Post
It would be one thing if they repaired the delamination free of charge, but this is so much worse than just a defect in structure. It's a total d1ckmove of them to not at least try to help.
Anyone have any ideas as to who I can send this thread to or send these pics to at Sailfish? Ive already sent them to the warranty department, that was the only email address I was given when I filled out their contact form on their website.
Old 10-29-2015, 06:38 PM
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Looking at the pictures, I don't really see glass without resin. It appears, to me, to be fractured glass. One of the causes could be that the boat was laminated in stages and the build went beyond the continuous lamination "window" for the resin. Most production boats are built with a DCPD resin or a DCPD blend. Most DCPD based resins have a short window for lamination without grinding between layers, often only about 24 hours. When the window is exceeded, the resin has a problem bonding to previous laminations that aren't ground to create some "tooth" for the resin to grab on to. It can stick here and there but doesn't really bond well.

It also looks like there are some voids in there. Voids create stress concentrations. Add a bit of flex from running the boat and the laminates come apart, fracturing the few spots where bonding actually occurred.

The white spots could be sweat drips that contaminate the glass prior to the resin being applied. Boat building can be hot dirty work and laminators are often dripping sweat into the laminate.

I know this really sucks for you. If you wish to pursue remedies beyond warranty, a lawyer could do some serious damage with "latent defects". Of course, if the boat has already been repaired, it might be too late as the evidence has been effectively destroyed.
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Not that this helps but even the top tier boats like contender have had their share of manufacturing problems. I own a 2003 236 sailfish and haven't had one stress crack or loose part yet....but I'd still be pissed if I had to deal with that mess. Would be cool to see the factory step up to the plate but highly doubt it will happen being it's 15 years after it rolled out of the plant.....not sure many factories would jump in here though.

Any help through your insurance company?
Old 10-29-2015, 07:37 PM
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This is the first incident I have seen about a hull delaminating, so it is hard for me to condemn an entire manufacturer's line from one incident on a 15-year old boat. I have a 2003 Sailfish 2003 and have had no issues with the hull. If it happened to me, yea, I'd be bummed, fix it, and move on. Pissed they wont fix something well out of warranty? Internet shaming them? Really?
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I wouldn't buy a sailfish either but 15 years old, you cant expect a manufacturer to fix it for free. Do home builders come back after 15 years and fix the house you bought? Does Ford or Chevy stand behind those 80k diesel pickups for 15 years?
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Originally Posted by barrell View Post
I wouldn't buy a sailfish either but 15 years old, you cant expect a manufacturer to fix it for free. Do home builders come back after 15 years and fix the house you bought? Does Ford or Chevy stand behind those 80k diesel pickups for 15 years?
Actually if there is a defect in the product yes, they absolutely will have a recall. And if there are voids in fiberglass, well thats a defect and was not done properly. I never said I expected anyone to do anything, I simply asked if anyone else has had these issues and you can see the responses
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Shitbag craftsmanship and prep - and a lot of boats have this . And once its all put together - it could be years till you find out …..
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It's unfortunate and disappointing that this happened, but I'm sure every manufacturer has an occasional problem. But when the manufacturer quickly and repetitively plays the "out of warranty" card without offering an ounce of assistance, well that speaks volumes of how a company's customer service department operates. They would certainly not be on my short list of future boats.
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Originally Posted by louiefl View Post
This is the first incident I have seen about a hull delaminating, so it is hard for me to condemn an entire manufacturer's line from one incident on a 15-year old boat. I have a 2003 Sailfish 2003 and have had no issues with the hull. If it happened to me, yea, I'd be bummed, fix it, and move on. Pissed they wont fix something well out of warranty? Internet shaming them? Really?

Did anyone ask them to fix anything? nope. I just sent an email inquiring about the issues and their responses were less than stellar. If you call someone that is asking if other consumers have had similar issues with products and posting how poor their customer service was, then yes, we internet shamed the hell out of them, shame on us
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Time to play shame the manufacturer. This time featuring actual evidence.

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Originally Posted by CLM65 View Post
It's unfortunate and disappointing that this happened, but I'm sure every manufacturer has an occasional problem. But when the manufacturer quickly and repetitively plays the "out of warranty" card without offering an ounce of assistance, well that speaks volumes of how a company's customer service department operates. They would certainly not be on my short list of future boats.
Exactly. you nailed it
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Originally Posted by RAMRODNEY View Post
Anyone have any ideas as to who I can send this thread to or send these pics to at Sailfish? Ive already sent them to the warranty department, that was the only email address I was given when I filled out their contact form on their website.
Sending you a PM
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Originally Posted by RAMRODNEY View Post
Actually if there is a defect in the product yes, they absolutely will have a recall. ..
You know that only happens when thousands or more likely millions of cars are involved. Not a single occurrence like this. Now if I was the Sailfish QA director I would have a warranty inquiry procedure to at least mention the option to help fix it at some discounted price if you take the boat to the factory. It is still a 15yrs old boat. But I doubt most of these small boat manufacturers have budgets to have fancy QA processes other than basic workmanship inspections.
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the guy who answered your emails likely knows nothing about fiberglass repairs.
He should have at least offered to bring the issue to someone else and expressed some concern to ease your mind.

You can get people on an off day maybe they have something else going on but if you dont want to deal with customers dont become a customer service rep

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