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Old 08-21-2015, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pas View Post
let me get this straight in your quote it clearly says "no other LIGHTS" but your not sure if underwater LIGHTS fit that description????
It sounds to me like the basis for the law is so that it doesn't impair visibility... Have you ever seen lights underwater on other vessels while they are running?? They light up about 20 feet of water, they do NOT interfere with anyone's visibility but you nor I are the deciding factor are we, strictly opinions and yours may differ....
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post


It sounds to me like the basis for the law is so that it doesn't impair visibility... Have you ever seen lights underwater on other vessels while they are running?? They light up about 20 feet of water, they do NOT interfere with anyone's visibility but you nor I are the deciding factor are we, strictly opinions and yours may differ....
No other lights means just that.

Like I said, we couldn't tell if it was a police boat or not becahse of the way the blue lights were reflecting off of the water. That isn't cool. Turn off the stupid freakin lights while underway, is it that hard to flip a switch?
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by thajeffski View Post
No other lights means just that.

Like I said, we couldn't tell if it was a police boat or not becahse of the way the blue lights were reflecting off of the water. That isn't cool. Turn off the stupid freakin lights while underway, is it that hard to flip a switch?
I will admit it depends on the lights and install... If they are underwater they should not bother another boater.. I have never had an issue with them but it is like anything I can see in some cases possibly an issue... argue on
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Old 08-21-2015, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by thajeffski View Post
No other lights means just that.

Like I said, we couldn't tell if it was a police boat or not becahse of the way the blue lights were reflecting off of the water. That isn't cool. Turn off the stupid freakin lights while underway, is it that hard to flip a switch?
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Old 08-21-2015, 03:39 PM
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I've seen a number of boats running with underwater lights in Miami, never thought twice about it being illegal.

Guess it's in the same realm now of the fast n furious car neon underglow days..
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Old 08-21-2015, 03:46 PM
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Some of these lights are very bright to those well behind the offending vessel and it tends to ruin needed night vision. Please be courteous (and legal) and turn them off except at the dock if you require the bling.
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:16 PM
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Not to hijack, but I will ask again: Tows have required Nav lights, yet they run with a spot light most of the time. I see nothing in the quoted rules that provided an exception for barges, yet they run with bright spot lights on the inland rivers I have visited (Tennessee, Ohio, and Mississippi Rivers), and in the Intracoastal Waterway. I have no problem we them, and don't mind anyone using a Q-beam to identify NavAids, but what gives?
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:19 PM
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"The Marine Patrol would also remind boaters that any light being exhibited in addition to the prescribed navigation lights for their vessel is also illegal. After-market accent light fixtures have become very popular the last several years with the emergence of LED (light-emitting diode) lighting. Boat operators must extinguish these types of lights before getting underway on the water."

I fully understand and agree with the USCG statement about such lights that impair vision or obscure navigation lights, but the Marine Patrol version means you have to turn off ALL other lights to comply. Instrument lights, GPS, Chartplotter, cockpit lights, spreaders, LED under gunnel.....everything. Sporties have to have all interior lights off, and yea the cruise ships are gonna black out too while in state waters.
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Old 08-21-2015, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pas View Post
let me get this straight in your quote it clearly says "no other LIGHTS" but your not sure if underwater LIGHTS fit that description????
you forgot the word right after the comma....Except

no lights Except those that don't interferr with the prescribed navigation lights. I interpret that as, other lights are ok as long as they can't be confused with the navigation lights. You gotta watch those and/or and excepts when reading law.

The lights on the boat posted in the video clearly interfere with the all around light, so that is a violation that should be enforced in my opinion. Most underwater lights I see can't be confused with navigational lights. I guess if they were red/green or so bright that they blended in with the all around (that would be impressive), I could see it being a problem.

Also the rule also allows vessels to display lights to illuminate her decks while at anchor or moored.

I can tell you with an extremely large amount of certainty, no agency is handing out tickets for running with underwater lights on in my area of SWFL.
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Originally Posted by PatSea32 View Post
The only legal lights on a boat underway are those prescribed by the USCG. That does not include underwater lights.

The correct reply but no one will believe it. Wishing makes it so?
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Old 08-21-2015, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by loose_cannon View Post
Because they can distort, obscure or otherwise make navigation lights harder to see. They also have the effect of ruining the operator's night vision.
I like the zero tolerance from NH. Without it there would inevitably be yahoos running around with LED light bars.

The darker the better.
Although from the point of view of navigation I'd agree, what about all of the ancillary lights on bigger boats (as mentioned)? Cabin lights / deck lights, etc. Cruise ships around here are usually lit up like enormous horizontal Christmas trees. I've had issues with them in the past being unable to see the navigation lights and having to stare at the boat for a few minutes to figure out what it was doing.

I'm all for shutting down the silly LED lights on boats (and you can get off my lawn now). But enforcement has to be uniform...
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Old 08-21-2015, 09:30 PM
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But enforcement has to be uniform...[/QUOTE]

and here inlays the problem........CANARIANFISHER wants no cops and no enforcement. Others posting want laws enforced by the word, no exceptions. Both sides will cry foul if its not their way. In my opinion this is why there needs to be officer discretion, and I understand there are a few officers who go overboard, this is unavoidable in life.
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Old 08-21-2015, 10:01 PM
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I light them up so that the jabronis who aren't sure where they are going have something to follow lol. Actually, it's pretty amazing how much light gets thrown forward when running on a plane at night
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Old 08-22-2015, 05:16 AM
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Weatherman, if the tow is pulling or pushing something that doesn't allow for mounting nav lights they use a beam of light to illuminate it. Don't remember the rule. :-)
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Old 09-06-2015, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by
and here inlays the problem........[COLOR="Red"
CANARIANFISHER wants no cops and no enforcement[/COLOR]. Others posting want laws enforced by the word, no exceptions. Both sides will cry foul if its not their way. In my opinion this is why there needs to be officer discretion, and I understand there are a few officers who go overboard, this is unavoidable in life.
I never said I want no cops or enforcement, what I said is they should not be there misusing such big resources (due to their operational costs) such as a patrol boat and officers to bother citizens while they are enjoying life with such minuscule issues as the underwater lights or is it that there are not enough thieves and drug sellers around to keep them busy ???? if the police have nothing better to do then maybe is time for a reduction of their numbers and a subsequent tax reduction to citizens, so they can do something productive instead of being a nuisance to honest people
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Old 09-06-2015, 05:21 AM
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It's pretty simple. Underwater lights become rearward facing above water lights as soon as you get up on a plane. Turn them off.
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Old 09-06-2015, 06:12 AM
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Nope, every tow has the required Nav lights on the tow and the barge, but all continuously run their spot lights. They can illuminate the NavAids and the entry to the Intracoastal from far more than 3 miles out Also, every shrimper has lights on when heading out - they are not fishing, but heading into Mobile Bay.
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Old 09-08-2015, 01:32 PM
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I think this is the final word...........LIGHT EM UP!!!




MARINE ENFORCEMENT ALERT!







Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission

Division of Law Enforcement

620 S. Meridian Street

Tallahassee, FL 32399




Alert #2015-2

September 8, 2015


Use of Underwater Lighting on Vessels



To all FWC Law Enforcement and our Marine Law Enforcement Partners:



This alert is provided as an informational tool for officers encountering underwater lighting on vessels and guidance for assessing their legality. The United States Coast Guard (USCG) has provided the following response from CG-NAV (their rule-making section): “The use of underwater lights is not prohibited by Coast Guard regulations, and, we have no doubts that underwater lights could be used in such a way as to not run afoul of (violate) Navigation Rule 20(b). If you intend to use such lights, they should be used and placed in such a manner that they do not impair the visibility of the vessel’s navigation lights or the operator’s ability to maintain a proper look-out.”



Although deck, work, and under gunwale lighting are commonly seen in use, underwater lighting on vessels is gaining in popularity and likely to become more common around the state. Florida Statute 327.50(2), adopts the Navigation Rules requiring vessels to be equipped with and display navigation lights.



Navigation Rule 20(b) “…no other lights shall be exhibited, except such lights which cannot be mistaken for the lights specified in these Rules or do not impair their visibility or distinctive character, or interfere with the keeping of a proper look-out.”



The Navigation Rules specify the minimal lighting requirements for a vessel to be in compliance. However, other types of lights or lighting on or under a vessel may also be used without violating the applicable Navigation Rule. As long as this additional lighting does not interfere with the visibility of the required navigation lights and does not affect the ability of the vessel operator/occupants to maintain a proper look-out, then a lighting violation is unlikely.



As always, the Officer will need to take into account the specific details and any surrounding circumstances to make their determination. If you have any questions, please route them through your chain of command.





Note: Thw Marine Enforcement Alert is also included as a PDF attachment.

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Old 09-08-2015, 02:23 PM
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Well I guess I was completely wrong. Going to have to print this out and keep it with the boat papers. Thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted by williamwallus View Post
that's the same thing hitlers solders said

doesn't mean its right just because its law...

im glad to live in city with no police lol
police don't write laws they enforce them the legislators who you elect write laws .if you don't like laws you elect people who will change them to you liking that's how a democratic government works unlike Nazi Germany that was a dictatorship. If the police incorrectly enforce of interpret a law you have ability to dispute the sanction in the court system .when people are permitted to ignore the laws they don't like you have anarchy suppose they fellow who steals your car simply feels the law prohibiting him from stealing is wrong or petty should the cop say "well then you don't like the law then enjoy your new car sir " 25 mph in a residential area always seems too slow unless its your street
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