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Old 07-24-2015, 04:07 PM
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Old 07-24-2015, 05:47 PM
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I modified a Parker 2120 to be an overnighter...comfortable sleeping for 2, air conditioning, microwave... Shown here during a week at Lake Powell.

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Old 07-24-2015, 06:08 PM
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Steiger has a good reputation. Also look at Maritime, but keep an open mind and also consider a 23'..."2-footitis" can get very expensive, in terms of depreciation, if you're buying new.

C-Dory makes me nervous, despite their near-cult following. They have changed corporate ownership
at least 3x since I've followed, and invalidated warranties on boats produced under previous ownership.
They have always been balsa-cored, which also gives me anxiety. They are essentially flat-bottomed at the stern, leading to stability on the drift or anchored, and very low horsepower requirements and fuel burn, but very slow-going in even rough big-lake chop.

Depending on your climate, cooling (and possibly heating) become issues, and front cabin windows that open are nice, as is an aft, lockable door.

Steiger and Maritime are both northeast-produced, while C-Dory is from the PNW, none of which have a great dealer network, or, are factory-direct only. Prices on all three brands have escalated considerably.

Another possibility: a welded-plate aluminum pilothouse boat...many manufacturers offer extensive customization...but, ain't hardly cheap, either.

With any pilothouse design, the further forward the helm, the rougher the ride...some aluminum ones like the Hewescraft practically require suspension seats, but their walk-through cabin to the bow is very nice. Poor bow access can be compensated for by using a windlass that doesn't require cleating-off the rode, just pushing a button in the cabin, but those are expensive windlasses. And, if you're tall, you will find headroom in many pilothouses insufficient to allow stand-up driving.

I don't like side-decks that barely accommodate a size 4E shoe width, and they require an abundance of hand-holds and high rails. Bow access only through a cabin hatch gets old very quickly and both are only done to increase cabin interior width.

And, just me, I don't like anything remotely resembling a vee-birth for sleeping (for the same reason I can only have a medical MRI done in an "open" machine...phobia).
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Pilothouse fan, mine isn't made any longer but having shelter is a plus for three season fishing and overnighting. I realize you are coming from an 18' but you really should consider a 25 footer.
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Old 07-24-2015, 06:24 PM
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Thanks. Nice picture. And info.


How about a c-hawk 222

I will be going to see one tomorrow morning. Is a 1998 thinking if its not to beat up ,I know I always enjoy bringing boats back to life gor the right price.

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Old 07-24-2015, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl in NY View Post
C-Dory makes me nervous, despite their near-cult following. They have changed corporate ownership
at least 3x since I've followed, and invalidated warranties on boats produced under previous ownership.
They have always been balsa-cored, which also gives me anxiety. They are essentially flat-bottomed at the stern, leading to stability on the drift or anchored, and very low horsepower requirements and fuel burn, but very slow-going in even rough big-lake chop.
As one of the "leaders of the cult". I can address Karl's issues. Yes, there was a period from 2002 to 2011, when there were changes of ownership. There has basically never been a time without production of the same proven hull since 1987, with some gradual improvements. Current boats are mostly foam cored, if that makes folks any more comfortable. Virtually 100% of the C Dories built since 1980 (when first built ) are still on the water. (Over 1000 boats) The resale value is very high--much higher than similar boaters). Current boats are built by the folks who build Sea Sport and are of high quality. I have a 2006, 22 and the quality is excellent.

As long as the water is kept out of the core, the build procedure is fine--those where there have been small areas of bottom core rot have been readily repaired by the owners. I have owned 4 of the C Dories, For some time one on the East Coast, and one on the West Coast. I have ranged from Icy Straits AK to Key West Florida in the C Dorys with no issues. They fish out of the Columbia River and all of AK. During a month in AK we only were not under way one day, and that day, even 80 footers were not moving. Our average Fuel consumption in a C Dory 25 was 3.3 miles per gallon, over 1200 miles.

There is not a better 22 footer for cruising accommodations. We spend at least a month aboard at one time each year. Fishing--great cockpit for fishing. Economical and stable.

Yes, when it is really rough, a Contender or Regulator will go to weather far better. But once you learn how to trim the boats, moderate chop to 2 feet is handled easily. Down wind/seas, and beam seas they will keep up and run with any boat out there. I ran at average 15 knots down Johnston Straights, wind against current in 50 knots and 10 to 12 foot seas down wind.


As for Lake Powell:

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I have a SeaSport 2400 Explorer pilothouse. It's a fantastic boat for fishing and cruising. SeaSport hulls are available with different combinations of cockpit and cabin. You can choose a shorter cockpit if you want more cabin space.

Mine is 24' LOA, but there are 22' SeaSports that are right in the range you want. I don't think there's a significant difference in manageability between a 22 and a 24.

Depending on your budget, you can get I/Os or O/Bs. Older O/Bs are hard to find, but they're out there. It's a PNW boat (the company makes C-Dory as well), but of course, it can be used anywhere. Build quality is generally high.

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This was my Trophy 2359:

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For shoal water, the C Dory is going to be the best, with the very low deadrise aft. Also of the bunch, the best "facilities"--with built in stove (we have always had 2 burner diesel Wallas, combo heater/stove), refrigerator (option--we use a chest freezer/ref combo), and dinette, as well as helm.

But there are lots of pilot house boats, with just shelter at the helm, and a v berth. Outboards are definitely the best way to go. Staying with less than 22 feet makes trailering and launching easier.
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For shoal water, the C Dory is going to be the best, with the very low deadrise aft. Also of the bunch, the best "facilities"--with built in stove (we have always had 2 burner diesel Wallas, combo heater/stove), refrigerator (option--we use a chest freezer/ref combo), and dinette, as well as helm.

But there are lots of pilot house boats, with just shelter at the helm, and a v berth. Outboards are definitely the best way to go. Staying with less than 22 feet makes trailering and launching easier.
When I went looking for a pilothouse a couple of years ago, I seriously considered a C-Dory based on comments from you (Bob), Richard Cook, and other happy owners. Ultimately, I went with the 24' SeaSport because I need more speed in moderate chop.

The SeaSports are usually just as well-appointed as C-Dories (C-Dorys?), which I guess is not surprising. My 24-footer has a fridge, dinette, microwave, stand-up head with shower, sink, and hot/cold fresh water for the shower and sink. My 2400 Explorer doesn't have a stove, but most do. The cockpit is a pretty good size, and the cabin roof is long enough to hold a 10' dinghy very comfortably.

It has a lot of flexible utility packed into a trailerable package. I moved up from a 17' open aluminum boat that's much smaller and lighter than a C-Dory 22, and to my surprise, trailering and launching are almost as easy with the heavy SeaSport as with the tiny tin boat. The only caveat is that the 24-26 ft SeaSports start to require heavier tow vehicles.

My boat averages 2.0 nmpg (2.3 mpg), which is quite different from a CD22, but it's also in quite a different size and speed class. 22' SeaSports would have better mpg than mine -- still worse than a CD22 (which is still not as roomy as a SeaSport 22) -- but not bad for the size and speed.

Long story short: there are several very capable pilothouse options for mixed cruising & fishing, especially if shallow draft and maximum mpg are not of paramount importance.
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Or look at building a Tolman. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolman_Skiff
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:51 AM
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Thanks for all the input, I drove
4 hrs yesterday to look at a c hawk 22 footer , here in south texas
Pilot houses are very hard to find , When I got there I saw a pilot house
Screaming for TLC , structural 100 percent solid, no soft spots to be found
Anywhere on the hull , boat was dirty with gel coat faded ,dual axle trailer in decent
Shape, the gentleman that had it was planning in get it ready for the same purpouse That
I intend however he lost interest and has to many toys in his back yard,
After couple of hours of chating about boat building and othe commun interests,
I towed the boat back home, got here real tired last night so did not had a chance
To take decent pictures but will post the project in this forum Perhaps someone
Find it usfull,and entertaining.
Plans for this boat as follow:
1.Strip down all accesories, and hardware
2.Sand and do some surface prep such as fairing of pits and imperfections
2.5 extend sport pilthouse about 30 inches
3.paint with high quality top coat.
4.install new rub rail,cleats,anchoring system,nav lights,
And new hatches
5.installing electronics and and new seats
6.look for at least 115 hp 4 stroke outboard, currently it
Has an 85 suzuki 2 stroke that i will use till i find one ,
I might buy a new left
Over engine for this beauty. And I will be keeping both boats!

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first pics...........................................

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Definitely underpowered. Install the new front hatch to act as an air scoop, as it looks like the front windows don't open, not that south texas gets hot...

Biggest potential problems will be transom and stringer condition...certain year C-Hawks are known for
that. If there is anything mounted low on the transom, like a transducer, trying removing one screw and see if any water either seeps or streams out. Stringers are very difficult to evaluate.

Too bad that drive-thru x-ray scanners are not easily available to the public, but up here, they are at every border crossing, and suspicious vehicles and all tractor trailers go through them routinely. Maybe a short trip to Tijuana would be helpful. I've seen images from them, and they are detailed enough to spot a few ounces of coke in a secret compartment. And any area that is lead-lined is an immediate red flag.

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Definitely underpowered. Install the new front hatch to act as an air scoop, as it looks like the front windows don't open, not that south texas gets hot...
found this,,, new boat cost 40,500 with 150 hp thsy have some good pictures

http://www.edsmarinesuperstore.com/222_pilot_house.htm


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Love my pilot house. It has suited my needs perfectly and I think it's a tough boat. It has extended my boating season at least a month on the front end and a month on the back end.

I don't know much about C hawk boats.

Good luck.
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Looks like a good find, and it should work well for your purposes. I agree with Karl, that you want a center opening window, and you want the hatch opening forward over the V Berth. If you extend the sides and top of the pilot house, I would suggest, plywood or synthetic core (Nida core is excellent, light and not overly expensive), with glass on both sides. I would strongly recommend opening side windows in the extension also, for ventilation. You can put an RV air conditioner on the pilot house--a 9000 BTU can be run with a Honda EU 2000. If you want, an alternative will be a WalMart window 5000 BTU unit, in the front opening window at night, and that will run off a Honda EU 1000. If you don't get an AC unit, find an "Endless Breeze" fan--3 speed, quality item, it fits nicely over the fore hatch, and a couple of 1 x 1 pieces will hold it over even mosquito netting, and give a good breeze on 12 volts, in a calm night.

Even with the dead rise of only 10 degrees, I would tend to a 150 outboard (that is the recommended by C Hawk). Always better to have enough/maybe slightly more than "essential" HP. Look for "Scratch and dent" motors. In my case I found a 225 hp for about 8 K. The only thing wrong was that the cowl had been damaged, and the skeg bent. Someone had ordered a new WelCraft, and the motor was dinged. The person refused delivery, without an undamaged motor. The motor had to be sold as "used", even though it had zero hours!

Good idea to keep both boats. I have the C Dory 22, and an 18 foot Caracal CC as the prime "fishing boat".
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Looks like a good find, and it should work well for your purposes. I agree with Karl, that you want a center opening window, and you want the hatch opening forward over the V Berth. If you extend the sides and top of the pilot house, I would suggest, plywood or synthetic core (Nida core is excellent, light and not overly expensive), with glass on both sides. I would strongly recommend opening side windows in the extension also, for ventilation. You can put an RV air conditioner on the pilot house--a 9000 BTU can be run with a Honda EU 2000. If you want, an alternative will be a WalMart window 5000 BTU unit, in the front opening window at night, and that will run off a Honda EU 1000. If you don't get an AC unit, find an "Endless Breeze" fan--3 speed, quality item, it fits nicely over the fore hatch, and a couple of 1 x 1 pieces will hold it over even mosquito netting, and give a good breeze on 12 volts, in a calm night.
In northern NY/Quebec, we call that "redneck".
And, I expect it will be more needed during hours of direct sun pounding down...shit, even with my home A/C set at 72° (t-stat downstairs) it's running close to 80° in the upstairs bedrooms...non-zoned system, rare around here.


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Looks like a good find, and it should work well for your purposes. I agree with Karl, that you want a center opening window, and you want the hatch opening forward over the V Berth. If you extend the sides and top of the pilot house, I would suggest, plywood or synthetic core (Nida core is excellent, light and not overly expensive), with glass on both sides. I would strongly recommend opening side windows in the extension also, for ventilation. You can put an RV air conditioner on the pilot house--a 9000 BTU can be run with a Honda EU 2000. If you want, an alternative will be a WalMart window 5000 BTU unit, in the front opening window at night, and that will run off a Honda EU 1000. If you don't get an AC unit, find an "Endless Breeze" fan--3 speed, quality item, it fits nicely over the fore hatch, and a couple of 1 x 1 pieces will hold it over even mosquito netting, and give a good breeze on 12 volts, in a calm night.

Even with the dead rise of only 10 degrees, I would tend to a 150 outboard (that is the recommended by C Hawk). Always better to have enough/maybe slightly more than "essential" HP. Look for "Scratch and dent" motors. In my case I found a 225 hp for about 8 K. The only thing wrong was that the cowl had been damaged, and the skeg bent. Someone had ordered a new WelCraft, and the motor was dinged. The person refused delivery, without an undamaged motor. The motor had to be sold as "used", even though it had zero hours!

Good idea to keep both boats. I have the C Dory 22, and an 18 foot Caracal CC as the prime "fishing boat".

Great advise, and yes my plans are to enclose the pilot house including a door,and add an ac unit,
Will add a water sink , and cooking area.
On the fishing area I will add a marine center mount remivable table to dine,along with a retractable awning
From the back side of the pilothouse.
On the bow there is no hatch witch is weird , there is a hatch for the anchor inside
The sleeping cabin though. So will add a bow anchor system.
,,,my budget for the project
Is 12k or so, right now im searching for warehouse space to conduct the project

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Houston............we are go for restore !

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