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Old 10-13-2015, 06:10 PM
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I have a Rocna 22lb.That is the new 1350 model EZ anchor puller.I had one of their winches on a previous boat and it worked very well
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Old 10-13-2015, 06:25 PM
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I've got one of their older ones on mine and really like it. I didnt recognize it
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Old 10-14-2015, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Riptide31 View Post
I've got one of their older ones on mine and really like it. I didnt recognize it
Do you cleat off the anchor rode after spooling out the anchor? This new model has a clutch like a coaster brake for free wheeling and if you needed more than a lunch hook it would seem logical to do that.
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Old 10-14-2015, 04:44 AM
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I dont. Mine doesnt have freefall or a clutch. It's a winch that's been geared higher, that's all. No need to cleat off. It's got a huge backing plate and the winch aint going to give an inch. If it's like their older models, it will be a solid, dependable product.
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Old 10-17-2015, 08:32 AM
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Ray's 39 is a fun project we build during regular hours. I decided to use a Kevlar hybrid for the covering boards and fore deck. Its all about finish work going forward now.

The Carbon fiber panels we are infusing today will be the cockpit sole for an 86' SF. We could not make it in one piece and install it at this stage because of the hulls tumblehome. It finishes 2 1/8" thick and is less than 2 lbs a square foot. Its one of those weekend jobs that supports the catamaran addiction.
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Old 10-18-2015, 05:09 AM
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the bow looks real good from this angle, and I like the fine entry. I am looking forward to the final stages of this boat and then the ride.
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Old 10-18-2015, 11:21 AM
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In the mono versus cat argument, most of the comparisions have been made with smaller hulls, where the differences are less apparent than will become evident when sea testing these larger lighter cats with wider beams and better full fuel economy. The longer shaft outboards and added speed to lift the sponsons will also help to lift the tunnels to eliminate more sneeze.
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Old 10-18-2015, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
In the mono versus cat argument, most of the comparisions have been made with smaller hulls, where the differences are less apparent than will become evident when sea testing these larger lighter cats with wider beams and better full fuel economy. The longer shaft outboards and added speed to lift the sponsons will also help to lift the tunnels to eliminate more sneeze.

Lift and sneezing wont be a problem. There are many engineering variables.. bottom line is getting the water through the tunnel with the least amount of resistance, as you well know. This cat will ride extremely well due to the amount of actual hull in the water, and a few other things that I am not privy to say. She will also be extremely fuel efficient and fast comparing apples to apples with same power all without being a Potato Chip like one cat builder mentioned. Competition is good, and there is always more than one way to skin a cat without being an anchor in the water.
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I am of the opinion that all cats will sneeze in some conditions and speeds. The sea trail will be the acid test.
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Old 10-19-2015, 11:40 AM
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Perhaps we should have a new reality show, "Green is the new Black"
The flow media and vacuum bags are "consumables" and don't stay with the part. When you cannot add HP we must go the extra mile to take weight out.

Speed is all about HP to Weight for the most part. Ray has owned 120 mph boats but that is not what he asked for. He wanted a boat to enjoy with his family and friends, 45 mph cruise with superior ride and fuel economy and all of the features his experience dictated.

I had on the drawing board a 7 lb. bag, but 10 lbs. of Ray's stuff caused us to stretch the bag's beam 9" and the bag's length 42" I had some heartburn because I never heard him suggest going slower. We had two choices. More Hp or make it weigh the same. Both were options. Ray elected to get the 350 hp Verado's when they became available. That's 15% more hp, however the laws of similitude say that a boat of like design stretched 10% increases in displacement 30%. We had to be really diligent in our fabrication and did use some of the new Black for a little $Green. Two insulated fish boxes the size of Delaware, two 85 qt coolers built into the stern, and 160 qts. in the bait prep center are built in. That accounts for 10% of the weight of the whole rest of the composite structure. Kinda like taking a your Boston Whaler for a ride to keep your fish and drinks cool. Sounds crazy, but regardless we came close to the original weight study for the smaller boat that had half the cool fish storage and 1/3 the cool drinks.

Hot boat, cool fish, iced drinks. Those are line items in the mission statement now too.
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
I am of the opinion that all cats will sneeze in some conditions and speeds. The sea trail will be the acid test.
I sea trialed my 22 with one of the guys that worked for World Cat for 10 years in product development and sales in some snotty conditions. His first words were, "It doesn't sneeze.

I think the lighter weight and higher, wider tunnels aft makes a difference. Makomyday posted a photo of the back of his 31 Prowler, and it would seem to me that it would not sneeze either.

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My retired Egret Boats partner gave my daughters his tender off his Nordhaven trawler, Its a 14' Livingston Cat rigged with a small center console and powered with a 30hp Yamaha on it. I can assure you, I know what sneezing is now!

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Well then try 5 mph against a steep tightly spaced 5' head wind chop if you really want to test for sneezing in your 22 with 800 lbs of fish and 500 lbs of ice along with 4 Bubbas and their gear.
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
Well then try 5 mph against a steep tightly spaced 5' head wind chop if you really want to test for sneezing in your 22 with 800 lbs of fish and 500 lbs of ice along with 4 Bubbas and their gear.


Even better.. just go for a ride in Miami in and out of the inlet and hopefully we will get the opportunity to run along side Billy and Bill in their new boats..

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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
Well then try 5 mph against a steep tightly spaced 5' head wind chop if you really want to test for sneezing in your 22 with 800 lbs of fish and 500 lbs of ice along with 4 Bubbas and their gear.
My boat absolutely will not sneeze in those conditions, and it's something I've been in plenty. I can only make it sneeze in a following sea with the tabs down, running slowly. I think these big tunnels like this boat likely won't sneeze at all. I know the big Prowler doesn't, there's even video of it going 10 mph into 4-5s. The other thing to consider, is that at 39-41', that's a long way to shoot water forward..
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
Well then try 5 mph against a steep tightly spaced 5' head wind chop if you really want to test for sneezing in your 22 with 800 lbs of fish and 500 lbs of ice along with 4 Bubbas and their gear.
how many of the larger cats have you ridden?
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Originally Posted by MakoMyDay View Post
My boat absolutely will not sneeze in those conditions, and it's something I've been in plenty. I can only make it sneeze in a following sea with the tabs down, running slowly. I think these big tunnels like this boat likely won't sneeze at all. I know the big Prowler doesn't, there's even video of it going 10 mph into 4-5s. The other thing to consider, is that at 39-41', that's a long way to shoot water forward..

I agree..There is a big difference when you go from a CC 27-29' cat..then a big jump to a wider and more substantial 32-34' cat.. the differences are apparent. From that point on I have much experience on cats like a 40 Skater in all conditions and speeds and the worst in 8-10' coming back from Key West to Miami. I do not fore see sneezing in any of these larger CC cats to be a problem...actually, the 33 Freeman I was on in nasty conditions with 8 people aboard did not sneeze...Billy even let me drive and throttle it.

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Originally Posted by Jassman View Post
Even better.. just go for a ride in Miami in and out of the inlet and hopefully we will get the opportunity to run along side Billy and Bill in their new boats..
That would be somethin! Throw a few big monos in there while you're at it
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Originally Posted by Bullshipper View Post
Well then try 5 mph against a steep tightly spaced 5' head wind chop if you really want to test for sneezing in your 22 with 800 lbs of fish and 500 lbs of ice along with 4 Bubbas and their gear.
I have never gone 5 mph so I can't say, but its fair to never say never.
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Originally Posted by Coquille View Post
how many of the larger cats have you ridden?
That's a fair question and the wave states where I fish are extreme. I have only ridden on the larger +30' WC's with 30" shaft motors, and 90% of my time is with 22-26's with 25" shaft motors. I too hope that the Compmillenia's and 40 Prowler are as great as everyone hopes, but I personally want to hear 3rd person reports under real conditions before I swallow the kool aide too.
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The 33 and 37 freeman will run up to 45 in anything under 5 ft with very minimal sneezing, in any seastate up to those conditions you will be dryer than in most monos. These larger cats have the speed to get up an run away from the side spray, and generally don't get much to any tunnel sneeze. The 32 twin vee is pretty dry in some terribly nasty stuff, but it absolutely does not like a steep 4'+ headsea on the nose and will soak you in that. If you tack just a bit its fine.
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