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Old 08-14-2015, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Otseg View Post
Ray had us make pressurized 40 gallon bait wells each stern quarter. Maverick Boats copied my Sea Chest Design, I copied their Stand Pipe Design. Other than that we are not to be confused with a flats Boat.
I beg to differ I bet this thing will run in some pretty shallow water at speed.
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Old 08-14-2015, 04:27 PM
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Jim, I don't know if you've been likened to him by anyone yet, but you remind me of Colin Chapman sometimes. "Simplify, then add lightness”
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Old 08-14-2015, 04:56 PM
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I beg to differ I bet this thing will run in some pretty shallow water at speed.
We are expecting a 12"-15" draft lite
On plane running , who knows but it will likely run where most bay boats go
I like to dive channels in the keys for lobster and anchor out side of the channel on the flat
Being able to sit in 2' of water will be nice!!
Charlotte Harbor, where I live, has an average depth of only 3' so the shallow draft will come in handy
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Old 08-15-2015, 04:13 AM
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Hey Ray...what are you doing for electronics...and who's trailer did you end up going with.
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Old 08-15-2015, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jassman View Post
Hey Ray...what are you doing for electronics...and who's trailer did you end up going with.
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EZ Anchor puller 1350 nestled under the deck
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Old 08-15-2015, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by raysmith View Post
Float on triple Torsion axles
I am going all Raymarine
2- GS165 Glass bridge MFD's
RMK -9 Remote key board
12 KW 48" Super HD digital Radar open array
CP 370 Sonar
CP 100 Down vision module
SR150 Sirius XM receiver
EV 400 Auto pilot
Mercury Vessel view 7"
Fusion stereo DVD
Remote ipod plug
800 w JL 8ch amp
1000 w Jl 5ch amp
6 - M880 JL maybe more?
2 - M10 subs
ICOM 506 VHF
1 - Rigid Ind 40" SR Combo light bar
2 - Rigid Ind 10" SR Combo light bars
EZ Anchor Puller free fall windlass
800' 3/8 Dyneema
Rocna 22lb Plow anchor
Have a look at the Ultra Anchor, much better than the Rocna.
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Old 08-15-2015, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by raysmith View Post
We are expecting a 12"-15" draft lite
On plane running , who knows but it will likely run where most bay boats go
I like to dive channels in the keys for lobster and anchor out side of the channel on the flat
Being able to sit in 2' of water will be nice!!
Charlotte Harbor, where I live, has an average depth of only 3' so the shallow draft will come in handy
I can go where most bay boats go in mine if I am going 45+ and trimmed up. I think your limitation will be the water pickups on the outboards.
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike3333 View Post
Colin Chapman; "Simplify, then add lightness”
He may have stated; "Simply give me a Bud Light"

Yes, I am a great admirer of Chapman. We use today a method of infusion match molding I saw under licence from Lotus to Contessa Yachts in Southampton UK in 1980. Bugger all he died at 54 of a heart attack.

I admired Skip Gunnell who was my boss almost 40 years ago. He told me a complex solution is easy to find, a simple solution is hard.

"Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away" - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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Originally Posted by pas View Post
Have a look at the Ultra Anchor, much better than the Rocna.
Please explain the difference. My choice would be which anchor has the least aerodynamic drag at 70 mph.
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Old 08-17-2015, 08:44 AM
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Gotta say the Ultra looks like some sort of Alien stingray...in a good way.
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Old 08-17-2015, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Otseg View Post
Please explain the difference. My choice would be which anchor has the least aerodynamic drag at 70 mph.
call Ultra and ask for Randy he can explain it much better than I can. For example the Ultra doesn't need that hoop that the Rocna has because it is designed to always land the right way. It resets in a couple of feet burys itself very quickly and has more holding power.

I have the 5 KG model on my boat (37' weighs 11,000 lbs light load) and it holds very very well. The sizes they recommend on the site are for cruisers who need it to hold in a hurricane.

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Old 08-17-2015, 09:54 AM
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looks pretty much out of the wind to me. Maybe giving me a little extra bow lift.

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I like the hiding of the ez anchor puller. I've had mine a long time without any problems. Very reliable. I am not a fan of Fortress anchors, but at least they are light if that's what youre looking for
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PAS, Will your anchor setup self deploy or do you need to give it a kick?
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Otseg View Post
PAS, Will your anchor setup self deploy or do you need to give it a kick?
self deploys, I am also using the Ultra bow roller and flip swivel, the whole thing works great. I can drop and retrieve anchor with one finger! Much better than before I installed the windlass.
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Old 08-18-2015, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pas View Post
I can go where most bay boats go in mine if I am going 45+ and trimmed up. I think your limitation will be the water pickups on the outboards.
A single engine cat is a bit tricky to set up correctly but would provide the shallowest draft. Rays 39 would achieve 45 mph with a single 350, but was not discussed :-)

On the first "6.7" 22 with a single, you can see that not much of the prop is below the bottom. The engine was bolted on and no real prop work done, but a half dozen composite diverters were configured and tested to get the right one to deflect the water in front of the engine. With a jack plate I would think you could really optimize the height for the conditions. Actually at high speed you would likely drop the engine height as the boat "flew" across the water.
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Old 08-18-2015, 01:08 PM
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Hey, I know that cat.

Waterline is 13" and is usually floats in 9-11"

Engine height optimized for higher speed. Hull starts to pack a lot of air and lift around 40mph leaving very little other than prop in water.

At midrange speed and coming onto plane at 10-11mph, deflector comes into play and a lot of water hits that center leg at slow speed since it doesn't slipstream behind either hull.

A jack plate to raise up almost out of water at idle for flats, slightly up at mid plane, and down as hull lifts is not a bad idea and will likely be considered when it comes time to repower. Probably cheaper than the trial and error engine height testing to determine optimal, especially since best height varies at different speeds.

This is probably less critical with twins since they are behind the hull and run deeper and also with steps.

The tideline guys have rigged some singles with jackplates? and my be able to contribute their experience though their hull design varies.
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Originally Posted by wsh023 View Post
Hey, I know that cat.

Waterline is 13" and is usually floats in 9-11"

Engine height optimized for higher speed. Hull starts to pack a lot of air and lift around 40mph leaving very little other than prop in water.

At midrange speed and coming onto plane at 10-11mph, deflector comes into play and a lot of water hits that center leg at slow speed since it doesn't slipstream behind either hull.

A jack plate to raise up almost out of water at idle for flats, slightly up at mid plane, and down as hull lifts is not a bad idea and will likely be considered when it comes time to repower. Probably cheaper than the trial and error engine height testing to determine optimal, especially since best height varies at different speeds.

This is probably less critical with twins since they are behind the hull and run deeper and also with steps.

The tideline guys have rigged some singles with jackplates? and my be able to contribute their experience though their hull design varies.


Phenomenal riding boat for a 22....very well balanced and nimble..somewhat like a Porsche on the water..with the 175's she was fast. I wish there were a few used ones like this boat around. Jim, you need to start building this model "22" and possibly look at the same on the 27' you built me...or even a 30' with a 10.6 beam.... The only thing that worries me is...when the 39' is finished in the next month or so...you'll have all the business you will be able to handle.
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Old 08-22-2015, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by raysmith View Post
Float on triple Torsion axles
I am going all Raymarine
2- GS165 Glass bridge MFD's
RMK -9 Remote key board
12 KW 48" Super HD digital Radar open array
CP 370 Sonar
CP 100 Down vision module
SR150 Sirius XM receiver
EV 400 Auto pilot
Mercury Vessel view 7"
Fusion stereo DVD
Remote ipod plug
800 w JL 8ch amp
1000 w Jl 5ch amp
6 - M880 JL maybe more?
2 - M10 subs
ICOM 506 VHF
1 - Rigid Ind 40" SR Combo light bar
2 - Rigid Ind 10" SR Combo light bars
EZ Anchor Puller free fall windlass
800' 3/8 Dyneema
Rocna 22lb Plow anchor


Ray...very nice set up....what was your decision on going with Raymarine vs the competition.
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