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Old 08-10-2015, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Otseg View Post
We did anticipate and would provide a diesel option, because in fact, we do anything for money.
ok good to know lets see how Ray's boat runs with the 350's.
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Old 08-10-2015, 05:45 PM
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I have been working with Jim Gardiner of Compmillennia on the design of a fuel efficient offshore catamaran. That is a serious fish and dive boat that will still handle the sand bar keeping the wife and kids happy
And Construction has commenced !!
Dimensions are 39' long 12' wide beam
She will be powered by 2 of the new Mercury 350 hp Verado's in warm fusion white
Performance goals are a 45 mph cruise at 2 mpg.with a decent fishing load
Expected Top end speeds in the high sixty's she will also plane on one engine
400 gal fuel capacity in 4 tanks
This boat will be built with the best of the technologies that are available, vacuum bagged, infused, temperature cured ,composite, Kevlar, the list goes on.
This is a center console design with a walk thru transom wide enough for a wheel chair to pass thru.Their will be an extended dive platform between the engines , although their will be no engine wells everything flat same level.
Expected weight ready to fish is 11750 lbs with an 18" draft, their will still be 12" of air gap between the water and the top of the tunnel
Dual 400 gal fish boxes,large coffin box to accomadate twin lounger's to keep the girls happy
Flip down single seats along transom, Three across Llebroc seating at the helm
Two flip down seats forward desighned for 2 people each
Raised casting platform approx. 12" above sole 12" plus wide gunnels
bow area approx. 42"deep x 10' wide big enough to throw a cast net from.actually 2 at a time
mounted under deck EZ Anchor puller winch with free fall completely hidden with 900 + feet of dyneema 5/16 anchor line,25' stainless chain and a Rocna anchor
This hull design is a stepped, air entrapment, pad bottom catamaran
Full Raymarine system 2 GS165 glass screens cp 370 and cp100 auto pilot mercury 7" vessel view 12 kw open array separate key pad for the touch screens 52" curved light bar all LED lighting 30-40 rod holders and at least 20 cup holders mite add more
its getting late gotta save some for the next post Cya
what is your deadrise at transom?
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Old 08-11-2015, 05:03 AM
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17 degrees with a pad. More dead rise than what I would have designed if left to my own devices. In Miami my Friend, who was offshore racer when they raced offshore. That crowd back then, according to "Brownie" was hairy chested, hard drinking, smoking, and as fornicating a group as you would find anywhere, and that describes the women. Wilson was the rigger of all my big boats is independently developing a project called a Wilson 41. Its a pilot house cat with 13-6" beam, 4 bunks, head, galley, generator AC etc. yet still fast and fuel efficient with a pr of 350 Yamaha's because we build light. We will make his composite parts for him, and that bottom configuration is what he wanted. At this stage our hull mold is dammed off for the center console version, and while the tunnel width remains constant, the beam of the hulls can be widened for increased displacement and room to fit inboards or quads.

The transom is like the butt end of a gun. Its the pointy end that counts. The transom serves many functions and if you don't get it right can hurt you. The real business end starts 39' forward.

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Old 08-11-2015, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Otseg View Post
17 degrees with a pad. More dead rise than what I would have designed if left to my own devices. In Miami my Friend, who was offshore racer when they raced offshore. That crowd back then, according to "Brownie" was hairy chested, hard drinking, smoking, and as fornicating a group as you would find anywhere, and that describes the women. Wilson was the rigger of all my big boats is independently developing a project called a Wilson 41. Its a pilot house cat with 13-6" beam, 4 bunks, head, galley, generator AC etc. yet still fast and fuel efficient with a pr of 350 Yamaha's because we build light. We will make his composite parts for him, and that bottom configuration is what he wanted. At this stage our hull mold is dammed off for the center console version, and while the tunnel width remains constant, the beam of the hulls can be widened for increased displacement and room to fit inboards or quads.

The transom is like the butt end of a gun. Its the pointy end that counts. The transom serves many functions and if you don't get it right can hurt you. The real business end starts 39' forward.
Very funny, and well stated.
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Old 08-11-2015, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Otseg View Post
17 degrees with a pad. More dead rise than what I would have designed if left to my own devices. In Miami my Friend, who was offshore racer when they raced offshore. That crowd back then, according to "Brownie" was hairy chested, hard drinking, smoking, and as fornicating a group as you would find anywhere, and that describes the women. Wilson was the rigger of all my big boats is independently developing a project called a Wilson 41. Its a pilot house cat with 13-6" beam, 4 bunks, head, galley, generator AC etc. yet still fast and fuel efficient with a pr of 350 Yamaha's because we build light. We will make his composite parts for him, and that bottom configuration is what he wanted. At this stage our hull mold is dammed off for the center console version, and while the tunnel width remains constant, the beam of the hulls can be widened for increased displacement and room to fit inboards or quads.

The transom is like the butt end of a gun. Its the pointy end that counts. The transom serves many functions and if you don't get it right can hurt you. The real business end starts 39' forward.
with the Freeman being 25 degrees deadrise and you 17 with a 0 degree pad, how much ride are you giving up for more fuel mileage?
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by deltarome View Post
with the Freeman being 25 degrees deadrise and you 17 with a 0 degree pad, how much ride are you giving up for more fuel mileage?
13 degrees is the standard dead rise on most v keel planning cats, but the pad will help imo.

the freemans have 21 degrees I believe
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by deltarome View Post
with the Freeman being 25 degrees deadrise and you 17 with a 0 degree pad, how much ride are you giving up for more fuel mileage?
Mine is 15 degrees transom deadrise with a pad in the back. Forward it's very deep deadrise however. It rides great. I believe the Freeman is 19 degrees, not 25. At 25 degrees cats are more displacement than planing. Ameracat I believe may be 24.
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:29 PM
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My gen1 27 ameracat was 18. I havent measured the 31, but think it's about the same
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:32 AM
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The stepped hull rides very level and the stern is never really presented to the waves. Its all about waterline length and "entry", meaning the pointy end that is presented to cut the seas. If you Google Egret and Rough Water, the 16,18 and 29 designed 20 years ago have always been considered to achieve best in class in rough water performance, yet were also by far the lightest displacement and also driest ride.

Their performance came from a meld of design, construction, waterline length and entry and we have applied the same principles to Ray's catamaran requirements. When we get our engines for the Cat, the rubber meets the road. The money's invested, and we shall prove be talkin' or we be walkin'.

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Old 08-12-2015, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Otseg View Post
The stepped hull rides very level and the stern is never really presented to the waves. Its all about waterline length and "entry", meaning the pointy end that is presented to cut the seas. If you Google Egret and Rough Water, the 16,18 and 29 designed 20 years ago have always been considered to achieve best in class in rough water performance, yet were also by far the lightest displacement and also driest ride.

Their performance came from a meld of design, construction, waterline length and entry and we have applied the same principles to Ray's catamaran requirements. When we get our engines for the Cat, the rubber meets the road. The money's invested, and we shall prove be talkin' or we be walkin'.


The design has more than proven itself by the amount of sales from Egrets over the years when you were involved and then only to be improved upon in these Compmillennia Cats. When I took a ride on your 22...I was impressed...and then we designed my 27 with the single step and made some changes...LOL..cant give away all your secrets. That 27' boat was impressive, and rode substantially better than the 29 WC I have driven. I'm looking forward to this 39, and larger boats to come.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jassman View Post
The design has more than proven itself by the amount of sales from Egrets over the years when you were involved and then only to be improved upon in these Compmillennia Cats. When I took a ride on your 22...I was impressed...and then we designed my 27 with the single step and made some changes...LOL..cant give away all your secrets. That 27' boat was impressive, and rode substantially better than the 29 WC I have driven. I'm looking forward to this 39, and larger boats to come.
I hear ya. Why not start building a 37' cat to compete with the Freeman? I hear he can't build them fast enough. With your hull and twin V350's, it should be more fuel efficient and lower cost to purchase. I would buy a 30' of your design
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:38 PM
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Ok, enough technical details

Bring the pics

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Originally Posted by deltarome View Post
I hear ya. Why not start building a 37' cat to compete with the Freeman? I hear he can't build them fast enough. With your hull and twin V350's, it should be more fuel efficient and lower cost to purchase. I would buy a 30' of your design

The design started out as I believe a 34-35...and as Ray and Jim worked together adding amenities the design grew. If someone wants a 37'..most likely they'll look at a 35-41' boat..and in about 75 days they will have 3 to choose from. Like Jim mentioned...Compmillennia's performance comes from a meld of design, materials and techniques used, waterline length and entry. I'm looking forward to do some testing and getting some real numbers...and then getting a few boats onto the circuit.
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Originally Posted by piazzafatb View Post
Ok, enough technical details

Bring the pics

One maybe.
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deltarome,
call or pm Jim
if you are serious about a 30, I'm pretty sure that he can deliver
you may want to get in line, because I have a feeling that it's about to get pretty long
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wow Jim that thing is deep I was in Washington last week should have stopped by
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Ray had us make pressurized 40 gallon bait wells each stern quarter. Maverick Boats copied my Sea Chest Design, I copied their Stand Pipe Design. Other than that we are not to be confused with a flats Boat.

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Ray had us make pressurized 40 gallon bait wells each stern quarter. Maverick Boats copied my Bait Well Design, and I copied their stand pipe design. Other than that we are not to be confused with a flats Boat.



Awesome work, Sir.
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Ray has a pair of top gun mounts selected and we will provide a carbon fiber reinforcement by way of an omega section under the base T-Top laminate and high density core to support them. The antennae mounts are adjacent so the coax has a concealed path inboard but yet the the fold down mounts are outboard where you can reach them.

My personal World fishing record I hold is for trolling more than 8,000 miles from Ft. Lauderdale, Bermuda, England and back without catching anything, so I may ask a lot of elementary questions.

One may be, is there an optimum angle for the outriggers in plan view to the center line of the boat and the angle above the water plane when deployed? My answer would be what Ray prefers.
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