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Old 01-31-2015, 09:51 AM
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Is my transom rotten.....yes...why do u ask? Im kidding.....well to be honest my resto is at a cross roads....this is why I have added the ALERTS in my resto thread to help others ..........its ok to buy an old boat if u know what your getting....and The Biddison 1800 is worth the investment either way....but as I stated previously if u are an amateur like me....u can do some common sense transom checks and hammer tapping etc.....but only a pro would really be able to give u a thorough transom inspection and even his inspection is part speculation.....unless he is superman and can see through fiberglass.....

In the scupper pic I posted I hadnt cleaned up the loose wood yet.....and I had just pulled the scupper so the shavings were wet.....that being said...that scupper had a crack in it...water did get in....and my transom is ( compromised)
Now...." compromised " in the boat world is a word that is used when u know whats up but are going to look the other way............orrrr u know whats up but you are in denial....like " holy crap! What have i got my self into? I cant afford another $2000 dollars......

Then after all of that....u start a transom or scupper thread....which I did.....to see if there is a shot in hell that u can save this old transom. Crossing your fingers that there is. I have had a few really good replies......but the repairs fall into a higher skill level.....or.....the repair is easy if u have done it before and are familiar with the products....of course each product is special...like only cures at 50 degrees.....has to be a certain type of dust...or flower...or matt.....things I have never heard of in my life........

several times I have thought about hogging out my transom with a chainsaw and getting it over with....then filling w seacast. The only issue is that I have only used a chainsaw a few times...not sure Im an artist with the thing......but then I have to conquer the Sea cast product...and learn how to fiberglass.....
Which just may happen....wait and see......
I will enclose a better pic of the affected scupper soon
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If anyone can do it it will be you, I know you will figure it out. Maybe it's just a small area around the scuppers that you can cut out and fill with an epoxy paste of some sort. From our point of view the boat looks great and worth saving.
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Old 01-31-2015, 10:39 AM
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Well.....its Saturday morning and I have a good coffee buzz......not to mention Randall taught me how to add more pics in one thread.......so I will make another effort to get u guys caught up to where I am now in my project........one of the most rewarding part of being am amateur resto guy is learning as you go..when its all said and done u have a whole new bag of tricks and skill sets.

Well one day I was talking to my Bidi in the warehouse....just lookin at her....sippin on a cold Coca Cola......when I notice a bump on her hull.....now this is after I am already in denial about the transom.....oh know....why me? ok...I will make this story shorter for those who cant stand my rambling.......push on bump...it was soft...approx size of golfball....did my research...turns out to be common hull blister.....did my research......decided do grind out like the old guy did on You Tube with a dremel.......well he had already done about 300 blisters and had the touch.....I destroyed my first blister....its a joke......u guys are gunna give me S for sure.......However....I learned from that experience....put down the dremel...picked up the grinder with sanding flapper....and gently grinded away at the second blister....WHAMO!!!!! Im a freakin pro now ya see Now if I can only figure out how to fix a transom.............so check out the 2 blister pics.......

I will also add.....my new glove compartment plexiglass pic...went with dark smoked cool guy plexi.....not easy to bend and twist to match old one....this is the stuff that I am actually good at

Will show u guys my fancy new steering wheel......oh ya! were not in Kansas anymore!

New throttle and gauges are all still in boxes.....but oh ya....they will make an appearance as well.....

I also added for your viewing pleasure and education......a pic of a diff Bidi with bow rail removed.......after talking to this Bidi owner....I also removed my bow rail......I will be installing a trolling motor on the bow as well........

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Old 01-31-2015, 10:56 AM
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cmon along folks......lets get all caught up.....learn from my mistakes and adventures.....step right up..........One more post for today....this is of the things I am good at.........Adding the wow factor......well....not like the pro resto jobs with the fancy paint and all that jazz....but the amateur guy resto stuff..........

some more items that I purchased......

new gauges
new switch panel
new throttle ...no pic
new stainless......fuel cap...fuel vent....light receiver...and through hulls......bling bling and bling baby!!!!!!

not installed...just loosely in place.....but will eventually rock the world
well....it will look good.....

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Old 01-31-2015, 07:54 PM
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Well folks.....I think we are all caught up......The up dates will slow down a bit....although I do love to ramble.......what I am working on now....

Trying to make a decision on the transom scupper repair...doing my research

Working with Luke the graphics guy on THT to change up my hull graphics and ad a hull stripe

I have my center console detached from the deck so I could remove the fuel tank previously....thats an important note for future bidi resto guys......in my case...I had to move the console slightly forward to remove the fuel cell deck panel. I have the console on pvc pipes so I can roll forward and backwards. Other resto guys remove the console completely which I recommend .....but I work by my self and the console is a beast.......So my next visit to see my girl will be to disconnect the old wire harness.....steering.....and gauges.....so the console will no longer be tethered. Once free I will roll her back like an Egyption building a pyramid....roll it back toward the transom...allowing me to clean and apply bilge kote to the console under deck void.....and the void in front of the cooler seat. When those jobs are complete.....I will roll console back in place and start to re install all of the new toys.....New gas tank and all new fuel lines will go in first.....then deck panels.......then all electronics and wiring in console.......

here is a tech tip for Bidi owners....in front of the cooler seat the deck panel gets kind of soft due to broken down seal to 6" deck cap ring....water gets to the wood and starts to rot away......with console removed.....u can flip the deck panel 180 degrees.....now the fresh hard spot will be in front of the cooler seat and the soft spot will now fall under the console never to be seen again.......

I will include a pic of my engine on my super duper engine stand....and my current graphics.....

oh....I will include a pic of another bidi owner in FLA that helped me a lot and answered many questions for me about the boat. I am sooo jealous of this picture.....look at that water!!!!!!....look in the back ground u will see a very happy Biddison 1800.....the fish aint to shabby either........what a life.....my bidi is destined for Maryland waters....cant see your feet in MD waters.... Name:  graphics.jpg
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Well, I have an 1800 also. 88 model, repowered in 2003 with a 175 HPDI. Does everything I need. Fishing and diving normally up to 20 miles offshore. Everytime I think about getting something else I end up saying why.

Replaced the seats with a leaning post and backrest. Able to store in the garage with the grab rail folding down, and a piano hinge on the windshield. Removable tongue Owens and Sons trailer.

My son just re-did the wood (I wanted to replace it with no maintenance plastic, but ...) If you need any ideas, let me know.

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Bob,

Id love to see some pics of your boat!

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Old 02-02-2015, 06:12 PM
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Bob.....thanks for joining us! This is great......we are gathering Bidi owners ...I think total 5 of us maybe 6 own Biddisons.....might be a good idea to put a list or group together. I know from reading absolutely every Biddison thread there are several on this board that have owned Bidis and sold regretting it later.....I think they should be on the list as well.....2 of them owned their boats since new.

Yes Bob....please provide us with some pics.......I have purchased a flip flop cooler seat for my boat and Randall is considering the leaning post. Neither of us have windshields either......Show us little up grades that u have done.........either way....its just cool to see an 1800....
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I made final decision on my new graphics today. I like the original graphics with the gaf but I didnt like the way they were layed out.........so with the help of Luke the graphics guy on this site.......we came up with what u see in the pic.....u will have to zoom in to see detail....but the new graphic " Biddison 1800 " is black with a silver outline.......then the added boot stripe is black and silver to match....its hard to see in the pics...but will add a little zip to the boats looks.....what do u guys think?...the pics should show up in order.........first should be the before pic....second is the after pic....third is the graphic close up



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Old 02-04-2015, 07:01 PM
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You guys are quiet followers.......no comments in days.....ya see when your doing a resto...all u can think about is resto resto resto......every night I lay my head on my pillow before i go to sleep and plan out the next project.
Well today in Chantilly Va we got up to 50 degrees!!!!! You FLA people were given some sort of magic pass or golden egg or something...I am very jealous..........well 50 degrees is what i need to get down and dirty with my resto........today I placed my new boat graphic order with Luke and even bought a Biddison t shirt!

Then I went to visit the boat...the plan was to slide the console to the transom so I could resto the 2 belly voids that I havent been able to get to. Well.....there are a ton of wires under the console so I couldnt just move the console.....its snip snip time.......I disconnected my new sea star steering...removed throttle.....snipped all gauge wires...removed battery wires...and all switch panel wires....
wires wires wires!!!!!!! My only hope is that I repowered my boat and bought a new modern plug and play harness for it. I also bought all new gauges...throttle..and switch panel....so it all had to be rewired anyway. I labeled what I could and then just went hog wild snipping everything.

Once the console was ready to roll.....literally....I put it up on a 4" pvc pipe and rolled it all the way to the stern....now the Bidi looks like a Panga or Shamrock with the console so far back.
But now I have easy access to both front belly voids.

Bow belly void deck board has rot around the 6" deck cap...which is a soft spot on floor....u gotta keep these caps sealed!!!! I have a through hull in this belly void that is 28yrs old...I will have to replace it....scarry because its a hole in my boat...and its up to me to fix it!

Console belly void....dirty and full of wires.....Will have to clean both voids....remove old wires......then use Bilge Kote paint to clean up the voids like new.........

Next time I visit the boat I will focus on bow void and work my way back.......the pics will be of the voids.....etc...should be self explanatory .........

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JPV, looks like those voids were some wasted space. What are your plans for them?

Since you replaced the PVC pipe and are cleaning up the wiring, perhaps you could put hatches with hinges on top so that you can use it as storage?
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Also, what order are your voids in from Bow to Stern? Was it Storage, then (2) empty voids, then fuel tank, then live well void up against the transom? Just curious.
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Old 02-07-2015, 06:10 PM
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Hey hey hey.....MAB108.....finally somebody asks a question Looks like u have a Mako......prob a pretty similar over all boat layout I would think. And the irony is.....I believe Mark Biddison is now with the company that makes Mako.....
To answer your questions.......the boats layout is this........from bow to stern anchor locker to step down......large fish box to step down....deck belly void only accessible via 6" access cap .......then center console belly void.....then fuel tank.....then in deck livewell.........

The in deck bow belly void was actually used as a hatched storage space in some 1800's ...The Biddisons sort of made the boats to order per customer requests....I have pics of an 1800 that had a hatch that covered the entire void...the owner used this area to store his bait net and spare anchor. I would prefer a factory hatch that drains correctly because this void has no drain to the bilge. But due to the 6" access cap having rot around it, I am cutting a larger hole and installing a sealed locking hatch. Hopefully the new dimensions for the hatch will be wide enough to get me out of the rotten wood area. My challenge with this void is the through hull is in this void....the through hulls only job is to be the drain for the fish box. My concern is if I load up this void with stuff that something could bounce around and damage through hull....or open/close the ball valve lever. My options are to remove the through hull and fill the hole and use the space....or....leave through hull but put protective tube or something over it and use the space for storage.....orrrrrr make a platform in this void and put my trolling motor batts in this void which may be a great way to keep the bow down low and boat riding good.

In addition to that long ramble...the 1800 has tons of storage....its crazy how many storage spots this little boat has. Apparently the Biddisons were avid divers and created the flip up center console or the rear transom storage areas for dive tanks....maybe Mark will chime in. I am doing my best to represent their awesome boat.

So today I visited the ole gal.....the goal was to remove the through hull to be replaced with a bronze through hull vs the current plastic. I will try to make it a quick story......ball valve screwed right off no prob...but through hull was bedded deep into 5200. I wasnt sure how much torque is too much torque so instead of twisting it out w big boy tools i used a grinder...chisel...hammer...and rotozip w cutting wheel. First from interior of boat....cut lines in plastic to look like pieces of pie...then with chisel and hammer chip each section out 1 at a time....took 30 minutes. After complete used grinder with sanding flap disk to grind down to fresh glass. Then to the outside....same technique...but again not easy...the chisel used properly was key. After complete grind down to clean gel coat.

Next for bow belly void caulk the inner void glass delam....just caulk the top edge where it is peeling back a bit to seal it and stop the peeling process. I took a sander to the interior walls of the void because it was an easy way to clean the gel coat without using chemicals...i just stripped a thin layer of gel coat off. I also roughened up the heavy matt area of the void w the sander so it would take the " Bilge Kote " product better. I will use degreaser to do final clean before I apply the product. From there I will start to work on console void.....a lot of freakin wires in my way though.

Note I included pic of Bidi owner with front belly void that had hatch installed at factory.

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They probably are very similar boats! That's actually why I was curious as to your layouts. Mine are as follows. Bow to stern: Anchor locker up on the bow where the gunwales meet. Step down, fish box/bench seat storage. Then fishlocker/cooler with pipe that drains the whole way back through the transom (I'd love to know if this is insulated. Just got this boat in September so I guess when the weather gets hot I could test it out), then the center console which my 60 Gal fuel tank is under, then the bilge is against the transom and is the entire width as the beam.
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I wonder if you could replace the petcock that you just chiseled out with a different type of valve that would lay flat but still go "through" your hull. That way you could store stuff in there without worrying about damaging the valve. Maybe something like the picture here, but imagine it rotated 180 degrees with the plug part inside your compartment. So you could still reach in and open it up.


(If all went well there should be a picture here ^^^^ and you should be able to click on it to go to the page)

Another option, that my Mako has in the anchor storage. Is to simply have an opening that is above the water line, I guess you could call it a scupper looking hold from the outside.

Is the valve you just cut out above or below the water line? If it's below, does that mean the boat must be out of the water to let the water out?

Furthermore, now that I've been talking about all this, should by anchor locker drain have a valve instead of just an open hole!?!? Now that I've reasoned through all this, it is sort of disconcerting that it's just open to the sea........ Then again it's 0430 and I've been on duty all night, with THT as my only friend. I could be getting paranoid.


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Old 02-08-2015, 07:40 AM
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Hey MAB....
I like your enthusiasm......its usually us people that havent owned our boats for too long that are still enthusiastic. I have owned several boats but u get a new burst of energy with every new boat.

With yours....learn from my lessons. Your boat is now 20yrs old if I did the math correctly. Check your deck access caps...install new O ring seals....re caulk around the ring. Also check all deck hardware to make sure screws are still seated in sealant etc. Inspect / replace fuel lines and fuel tank. Very important...check around your scuppers....remove reseal reinstall....check for all transom fittings...screws...etc that they are goobed up w sealant. You are ahead of the game..if u re seal all of this stuff now...your boat will be 30 years old and still dry!

Sorry for the lecture....U prob know that stuff already....but maybe that advice can help somebody.

The pic u sent of the drain is a garboard style drain....Fish box is approx 1ft above this through hull.....So there has to be a hose that comes from fish box down to ball valve/through hull. I notice in pic of other Bidi owners boat he has a large 2" drain set up which is more stout...maybe thats the answer.

Your other question about it being under the water line....oh ya...it under.....it would drain if the boat was moving forward....not sure if boat would sink if left open and not moving...might act as a livewell tube situation. And to your other suggestion....I have thought about just running to an above the waterline drain and I looked at that option yesterday. It is certainly possible.....It would be mentally tough to drill yet another hole in the boat ...

I enclose pics to keep it interesting.......One pic is of a Parker that is basically what my boat will look like when complete.

Another is simply a bad ass Tarpon rig....My hull is a mess...I was dreaming about a quick hull wrap to take the easy way out....but I bet every scratch or scrape would transfer through the wrap

And the last pic is....since I am a Biddison historian now....A guy on THT running his Bidi 22 .....cool pic

enjoy

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Old 02-08-2015, 07:51 AM
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Just noticed something....If u look real close at the boat I was calling a Parker....maybe it says May Craft.......You will notice an above the waterline drain right about where I need one...for the fish box......

Nice pic of that boat...the T top makes it look like its moving when its standing still.
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Its cold here folks....and getting real real cold this week....so it is slow going on the resto.......I am working on the front 2 voids getting the crusty sludge removed so I can give the voids a nice fresh coat of Bilge Kote......they will look shiny and new. In the console void I removed all old un used wiring which thinned the rats nest down pretty good. Then I slung all the wiring into the fuel tank void so I could scrub the void. In these pics u will see before after......I still need to wire brush the voids and give them a light sanding before paint......but getting there.

Not to be confusing but I included a pic of the rear two voids after they were painted so u can see what still needs to be done upfront.
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I also purchased a neglected Biddison 1800 last fall with an 1989 Yamaha 150 on what appears to be the same trailer that I plan to restore in the spring and am very interested in your project. Previous owner said she was wet moored for 10 summers on Cape Cod stored inside during the winter and has several layers of bottom paint. I had only enough time to remove the old fuel tank, transom bilge through hull and abandoned wiring and clean 10 years of untouched scum from the bilge. She was poorly rigged with unsecured cables, hoses and wiring and batteries mounted in unsecured boxes the transom bilge corners compartments rather than the tray under the console but I haven't found any structural/transom problems (yet) and the engine has good, even compression on all cylinders and fires up first time every time. the trailer was only used twice a year to launch and recoevr the boat so the frame is in pretty good shape but the winch and just about every (U)bolt on it needs replacement. I also have no skills or interest in fiberglass repair and fortunately she doesn't seem to need any.

It's been a brutal winter here and I don't anticipate starting the restoration any time soon (she's outside under cover), but I am beginning to purchase what I need to bring her back to life. I've attached some pictures to whet your appetites and will keep you apprised of what I encounter, mess up etc.
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Old 02-28-2015, 07:47 AM
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Leakin Lena......hope shes not leakin.......hey man welcome to the thread and The Hull Truth. Its people like you that give me the fuel to continue posting and narrating my resto. I learned a lot from the previous Bidi resto guys and now I am hoping to be able to pass along any knowledge tips or tricks that I learn along the way. It has been crazy cold around here too....not nearly as bad as what u are going through but not nice enough to be working on my boat. Your boat looks great! I like your T top...it looks simple and clean. Your boat being moored up would suggest it is in the same condition as mine. Mine has lived a wet slip life. Really it just depends on previous owners preventative maintenance.....Deck cap O rings.....caulking.....holes in transom.....u can get a pretty good idea how she was taken care of by looking at those areas. I am impressed u already have the gas tank out....mine didnt come out that easy. Was there water in the gas tank void? The tank looks like the deck cap was leaking on it. If u have the oppertunity and a little help I recommend completely removing the center console to get it out of your way. I never did....I just roll it forward and backwards...but it is always in the way.
Anyway...I could go on forever.....please continue to send pics....would love to see your center console /dash area......do u have livewell plumbed with a pump? ...Def want to get batteries upfront in CC....dont know why people put them in the back especially with our open transom...

Update on what I have been up to...........Just bought a Lowrance Elite 5 fishfinder gps combo.......$299.00 Bass Pro Shops.......

Just bought a new windshield on line....smoked grey plexi $100.00 very fair deal

Just bought a wiring rigging tube to clean up all wires in transom splash well.......$40.00 on line

My girl likes when I spend money on her........there is almost always a box on my front step when I come home.
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