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Old 12-19-2014, 07:00 AM
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Been lurking for a few months now trying to take in as much info from everyone as I can as I search for a 20-22' ft center console. Time and time again I'm seeing 20-22ft boats powered by a 150. After reading many posts, it seems that 150 is just not enough motor for this size boat. 200 is OK but 250 is ideal. No matter where I look there's so many with only 150's, whether it be the boat builders website, boattrader, craigslist etc. Most are powered by 150's. I understand the builders and dealers want to hit an attractive price point and one way to do it is to rig it with smaller engines. As a newbie, will I really see a difference between 150 and say a 200? Not too concerned with top speed but at least 40MPH seems to be the minimum and if the boat isnt at least doing that, is it working too hard thus putting too much strain on the motor? And fuel economy? Or is it a case of many of the boating enthusiasts on this forum are looking for optimum performance and a few seconds less in time to plane is a huge deal, where for me, not such a big deal.
I guess the question is will I regret getting a 20-22ft rigged with a 150 as I fish NJ bays and a few miles offshore with 2 or 3 guys onboard? BTW looking for somthing used in the $30-$35K range.
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Before saying 150 isn't enough, you should sea trial.

These aren't race boats. You don't need 250hp on a 22' cc. The more motor, the more fuel you'll use.
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Builders do it to hit a certain price point.

If your running a light load you should be OK. I have a buddy with a 22 KeyWest and 150 Optimax. It does fine but he runs high RPM's with three on the boat.

If you plan on hardcore fishing or diving that extra 50-100hp makes all the difference.
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I previously owned a 19'6" center console with a 150 and a 21'3" center console with a 200. I never thought either was underpowered.

Do some more research on specific boats before making such broad assumptions.
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Plenty of folks are happy with a 150 on a 20-21 boat. Not too many 22 footers being made. For a 23 foot boat most owners go up to a 200 in many cases.

The OP will not be happy though with this power, and will need to be selective in his purchase to obtain the power and speed that he needs to be happy.
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You hit the nail on the head. Price point is main driver of that size boat with 150's flooding the market.

You should be close to 40mph wot on most rigs. What's important to you? Saving money or going fast to fishing grounds? If you don't mind a sluggish hole shot (which can be improved with 4 blade), cruise in the high 20's, and excellent fuel economy then those rigs can be very appealing. If you are trying to cruise in the mid 30's, yes you will be running high rpm's and your fuel economy will suffer.

Go test one with full fuel and fill up livewells and see how you like it. This is THT, you better have max power on any boat you look at
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mainly price point...
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Default It may be more then just engine choices.

A 24 ft center console is not going to be able to maintain a soft ride at 40 or 50 MPH in the same seas that a 34 ft CC with the same deadrise. Not for normal fishing guys looking for a comfortable ride to and from their favorite offshore fishing spot. Comfort is the best reason for faster speeds on bigger CCs. Believe me that I have plenty of years on some of the best riding CC deep V hulls. Length helps with comfort. Apples to Apples same dead rise.

For your needs specific. 21 ft CC Look at the new 200 HP Zuke. Its the old 175 that was strong as hell. I would jump on that motor if you have a good service dealer near you. If more speed is needed a 2 stroke Optimax 250. But you will on average rarely be able to use all that speed,
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My buddy has a 21 Angler with a 150 and it rides out. Plenty of power and speed. I wouldnt go bigger than that with the same hp.
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Originally Posted by NJRob View Post
I guess the question is will I regret getting a 20-22ft rigged with a 150 as I fish NJ bays and a few miles offshore with 2 or 3 guys onboard? BTW looking for somthing used in the $30-$35K range.
you've answered your own question right here....$30-35k? How "used" are you talking about? A 200hp engine costs about $15k installed.....what does that leave for a manufacturer to actually build a solid and safe boat? And a typical 20 footer with a 150 can run between 40-50 mph....where are you going in this 20 footer that needs more speed? And you're fishing the Jersey bays? just a few miles offshore??? You'll get there in a few minutes with a 150. What else do you want?
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I run a 23' with a 300 hp and when the boat is loaded you can tell, it better be a super light 21' with a 150hp. of coarse its all personal preference, I had 450 hp on the same boat and still wanted more.
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I used to have a Aquasport 196 Osprey powered with a Johnson 88SPL. That wasn't overpowered. A 150 wouldve been nicer but the 88 did the job.
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What do most folks shop....performance or price? That's your answer, if you never drove the boat with other power, you wont miss it. Cant miss what you never had..
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I have a 22' Cape Horn Bay with a 200hp outboard and its adequately powered. It is a heavy hull but I have been pleased with the 200 that came on it. If I were to repower it I probably would not want less than 200hp on it, would probably want more if the motor was a heavier 4 stroke. I have seen the same boat with a 150 on it and think that would be a struggle for it. But again, my boat is probably easy 3000, maybe closer to 4000lbs.
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Originally Posted by maxie View Post
you've answered your own question right here....$30-35k? How "used" are you talking about? A 200hp engine costs about $15k installed.....what does that leave for a manufacturer to actually build a solid and safe boat? And a typical 20 footer with a 150 can run between 40-50 mph....where are you going in this 20 footer that needs more speed? And you're fishing the Jersey bays? just a few miles offshore??? You'll get there in a few minutes with a 150. What else do you want?
Here's an example of something i would be interested in. Just looking for those with much more knowledge than me to chime in with their thoughts on whether or not this would be underpowered from their point of view.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...iton-102319317
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First off, remember that the THTMAS (The Hull Truth Minimum Acceptable Standard) is 60mph in 3-5 seas for any fishing boat worthy of the name, Sea Hunts excluded of course.

Not sure what kind of performance you are thinking you should get out of a 20-22'? I have a Tidewater 216 with a Yam 150. 21'-6" boat with 8'-6" beam 2400lbs. 65gal fuel tank. I'm very happy with its performance even when fully loaded. I looked at the what little info there was about going to a 200 and it just didn’t justify the cost. I don’t see a lot of difference in time to plane no matter the load. I’m sure there is but it never struggles to get out of the hole. Here are some speed figures that I remember. Nothing formal, just me pushing it to WOT and trimming it up to see what it would do with the loads. Conditions were all pretty much ideal. All the speeds are per my GPS.

43 MPH w/ full fuel, two batts, bunch of fishing tackle, myself and 8yr old son, calm conditions FW lake
40 MPH w/ full fuel, two batts, 2 adults, 1 kid, full fishing tackle & ice, both bait wells full, calm condition in the GOM
36 MPH w/ half fuel, two batts, 4 adults, 2 kids, full fishing tackle, light chop in the bay

Hope this helps.
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The old Potter 20 Seacrafts were sold from the dealer with a 115 Merc. When I bought my 1976 Seacraft Master Angler 20, I had a Merc 225, which was really a 200 hp. Complete strangers would approach me at the dock and berate me because I had such a powerful motor on such a small boat! (1978-1980) Attitudes have certainly changed! Realistically, the power is rarely needed unless you have a pretty heavy load or want to run 55 in flat seas. A 150 is plenty power for a 20 CC 99% of the time IMHO.
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Originally Posted by NJRob View Post
Here's an example of something i would be interested in. Just looking for those with much more knowledge than me to chime in with their thoughts on whether or not this would be underpowered from their point of view.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...iton-102319317
You should always run a sea trial before making any decision......but a quick search on boat test . com showed a 212 triton with the following reply

.(.How did the boat handle?
very well. boat is fairly light so 150 drives boat at good speed yet still economically. more weight in some situations might make for better ride.What other comments do you think should be made about the boat?
I think absolutely the most boat for the money on the market today. )

Of course that's just one opinion......but it at least gives you a baseline to work with.

Here' a THT review of a Triton 225

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...ean-test.htmls
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150 on a 20' boat would be considered overpowered anywhere but the US - in the rest of the world 115 is more common on this size boat.

I have a 150 on a 21' Walkaround (not sure how much extra weight that means I'm carrying over a CC), and yes I would prefer a 200 or 225 (maybe one day) but quite often the sea asks me to slow down - top speed is 38mph, comfortable cruise (as far as the engine goes is 30mph) but quite often the sea suggests I slow down to 25, so in some ways it's difficult to justify a 200 - I'm sure I will still do it one day though, even though most fellow boat anglers here (UK) already think the 150 is a bit OTT.
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The perception of power needed for a given boat has defiantly changed lately.

With that said i have a 23' (Sailfish 236 - fairly heavy boat) with a 225 4S. I cruise in the mid to upper 20's mph (depending on load) and top out right around 40mph. I don't really ever feel that the boat is under-powered. On a bahamas trip when its loaded down and have a full load of people I have to run a little higher in the rpm range but it does just fine. Theres those flat days that i wish i had a 300hp on the back but those are rare for a 23'.

I think a 150hp would be fine for a 20' boat, unless you plan to always have a full load of EVERYTHING on your trips or have to travel long distances in calm/protected water that you could make use of the extra power and speed.

Every boat will handle the power differently so you really need to find some that you like and sea trial them.

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