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Old 11-16-2014, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
If your worried about resale value don't go with a production boat. They come off a production line. Figure in about 5 years time the Viking is going to be worth about 1/2 of what it was if you put on about 250 hours a year. Look at the collection of Vikings for sale on Yacht World. Not so with a custom builder. That 55' Jarrett Bay I linked to earlier is a steal @ $569K. It has 7200 hours but with a $100K repower you still come in big time under budget.
That jarrett bay is nice but no way you can repower her for 100k. I priced a C-18 repower and its over 200k easy closer to 250 by the time labor and work is done.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:10 PM
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Wow.. I wonder what it would cost to have the originals rebuilt.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:50 PM
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If space is a concern (number of staterooms) then you will get more bang for your buck with a production boat. Most 50' productions will have a 3 SR 2 head layout, while many of the customs don't get there until you tickle 60'. Ride and fish ability goes to the customs, live ability leans toward the productions, fit and finish, with the right custom, it's tough to beat, and resale, again, to the right custom, is there. But like with most things nowadays, resale is dependent on what the market is willing to pay, not what you ask. Agreed that the repower is closer to 200-250k, a rebuild may be around 80-100k. I couldn't swing a custom, but I wanted one.
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Old 11-16-2014, 08:12 PM
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PtJudeRI, you ever find your rudder?
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:17 PM
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Once you go custom you never go back. Get a ride in a carolina boat the go get on the production boat... You'll quickly know which one is for you. If you want a piece of history that will hold value and fish... Custom. You want to passively own a floating condo for happy hours... Get that production boat.
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Old 11-17-2014, 09:32 AM
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By all the feedback I'm get, I seem to be leaning towards a production boat.

This being said, now the question is which one

In my list are

Viking
Cabo
Ocean
Tiara


What do you guys think in ranking them for me based quality, ride , performance, fishabilty and value.

I like to hear what different opinions each have

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Old 11-17-2014, 09:42 AM
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I like the Viking's in your size range. It's nice having a service center right in Riviera Beach and also here in NJ. The fit and finish of the Viking is fantastic. The support you get from the Viking factory is also spectacular. I was a Cabo dealer also right around the time they were bought by Brunswick, we are no longer Cabo dealers today. I think the mid sized Cabo's in the mid 30-43 ft range had a great ride and a cult like following. The larger Cabo's seem to be hit or miss with customers. Engine choices will be limited in the larger Vikings and Cabo's. If you need any other Viking or Cabo info, feel free to send me a message. Good luck in your search. Lots of good deals on the market in your size range.
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Old 11-17-2014, 09:42 AM
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With you list it's simple for people that have never owned the brands to quickly list it out by reputation from years ago -- if you want that it's 1) Viking 2) Cabo 3) Tiara 4) Ocean ... If you ride all the models, look at the "size" of each, then consider "purchase price" and "year" -- 54 Ocean is going to be difficult to top ... If you just "want" a Viking -- pay the extra money and get the 52 ... They are all "good" boats and there is nothing wrong with a "production" boat .
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Old 11-17-2014, 09:44 AM
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If you have any interest in a 2005 Hatteras 60 I have one you can buy well under market. We have surveyors on it as we speak.
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Agreed they all float and most will stil catch. It's really just up to the individual, obviously I'm biased to custom but production boats have their pros... Just not enough for me to be swayed.
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Old 11-17-2014, 11:24 AM
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Consider the 54 Hatteras as well. Beautiful boat. Tiara builds an exceptional boat. I have a Pursuit that was built on the Tiara production line.

54 Hatteras....

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Old 11-17-2014, 06:30 PM
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So this is how I feel.

A bit confused ?!?

The Ocean's are a greats deal. Some times I think to good of a deal. Whats up with them ?!?

Tiara's are nice. I own one and i'm very happy. Just not enough on the market to try to make a deal.

Cabo's have history , build quality , reputation , sea handling and performance. Brunswick has bought then and shut them down. Where would I stand with questions and issues.

There is always Viking. But that is so much more money compared to everything above .

What to do is the question ?????

My pocket say Ocean. My heart say Tiara. I believe the best deal is Cabo. But the Brain says Viking for the long run.


Help !!!
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Old 11-17-2014, 07:13 PM
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How long do you plan to keep the boat?
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Old 11-17-2014, 07:34 PM
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The length I hold the boat depends on money spent and year of boat purchased .

If I spend less money than it's easier to move on quicker

Also year of boat purchased means a lot to me

Call me weird or crazy, but anything older than 10 years from manufacture means problems and hard re sale
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I feel the best choice overall will be the ocean, followed by the viking. I like the smaller cabos but not as much of a fan of their bigger boats.
I cant comment on the tiara.
The viking will have better factory support being they have a service center down in Fl as well as their plant in New Gretna. It will also have better resale but will cost more initially.
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Old 11-17-2014, 09:00 PM
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Here is my ranking of boats.
1. Top of the line customs like Merritt, Rybovich, Whiticar, Bayliss, Mark Willis, some the other tippy top Carolina guys, ACY, Tribute and Jim Smith (maybe for those three. They may be more like 1.5) Garlington. Not sure about some of the old schoolers like Lyman-Ward that occasionally do Florida style fishing boats. Also not sure where to put Huckins there days. I left out the crazy boats like the Feadships, Denisons and such because they are megayachts with cockpits and outriggers.
2. Second tier customs that may not have the luxe factor and the last degree of fit and finish of the top boats but are still monster fishing boats by all accounts. G&S, many of the Carolina customs that are not "back yard" charter boats, Miller, Gamefisherman, etc.
3. Skipping the other "customs" that are built mostly as charter boats we get to Viking. Having been on a couple for a lot of time and comparing them to Hatteras, Bertram, Post and one custom (Monterey 65) I can say with a high degree of certainty that the post 1991 crash Vikings are about as good as you can get in a factory boat.
4. Hatteras. Bertram would have been in this group in the old days, but they have gone a different rather Italian direction. I would also put boat like the Rosciolis in this group or maybe closer to the Vikings.
5. Everybody else in descending order.
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Old 11-17-2014, 09:30 PM
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I've owned 3 Carolina customs and several production boats. First, there is no way to generalize about customs. They run the gamut. Even boats from the same builder in the same general time period vary widely based on many factors including time the captain and owner spent on the build, design choices, adding/ things that changed weight distribution, maintenance, etc. production boats are more consistent but also have some variation. Regarding Oceans, I had a 62...great boat, especially for the money. Quality was just fine...some finishes not as good as Viking, but mostly in places that did not affect functionality. I would not hesitate to buy any late model ocean. With the prices on the used market, you should do fine on resale...with Vikings, perhaps not so well. While there's a big market for them, Viking is always flooding the market with new boats and new slightly different models, killing the resale for recent buyers of boats with perceived obsolescence.
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Old 11-18-2014, 04:19 AM
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My suggestion to you now is to start looking and see what's on the market. You might like an Ocean but find a fantastic deal on a Hatteras or Viking you can't turn down.
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Old 11-18-2014, 03:02 PM
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I will start searching and keep people up to date on what I find

Thanks for all the opinions

If anyone has any further thought , feel free to express them
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Originally Posted by freedomboatworks View Post
I've owned 3 Carolina customs and several production boats. First, there is no way to generalize about customs. They run the gamut. Even boats from the same builder in the same general time period vary widely based on many factors including time the captain and owner spent on the build, design choices, adding/ things that changed weight distribution, maintenance, etc. production boats are more consistent but also have some variation. Regarding Oceans, I had a 62...great boat, especially for the money. Quality was just fine...some finishes not as good as Viking, but mostly in places that did not affect functionality. I would not hesitate to buy any late model ocean. With the prices on the used market, you should do fine on resale...with Vikings, perhaps not so well. While there's a big market for them, Viking is always flooding the market with new boats and new slightly different models, killing the resale for recent buyers of boats with perceived obsolescence.

This guy is spot on. There are great custom boats out there but you can not put them all in the same category, even the "good guys" have issues sometimes with certain boats. A sea trial and good survey is a must. The one advantage the custom guys have is a fuel burn compared to production boats. I have heard numerous nightmare stories with custom boats and various structural, hardware, and hull design issues. I am a fan of custom boats just be careful.
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