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Old 10-21-2014, 05:42 AM
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Default Sportfishing in the 60-65 Range

Dear Experts,,,

I am looking for an advise on the prons and cons of the following sportfishing boats:

All from 2000 to 2005 year model

60 feet range:
60 Hatteras vs. 61 Viking

65 feet Range
65 Hatteras vs. 65 Viking

Points

1) sea worthy
2) dry ride, the ride
3) fishability
4) range
5) best engine package
6) livability and comfort.

This boat will be used for long runs to discover new fishing ground in areas with no boating infrastructure

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Old 10-21-2014, 08:19 AM
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Are you locked in to only those manufacturers? There are quite a few custom carolina boats in that size range on the market that would run circles around either of those.
If you are locked in on those, there are both comparable, just comes down to personal preference of interior and engine packages. In general, the hatteras' are a little heavier, but many did come with CAT engine packages, while Viking is almost exclusively MAN engines. MAN's have more expensive maintenance involved, every 1000 hrs. The vikings of that age were a little wetter riding. The interiors of either are comparable.
Again, a comparable size Spencer, or a Bayliss would run circles around them for ride, efficiency, and in that size the interiors are close as well. There is a 64' Bayliss on the market. That's probably the best boat in that size on the market today. Good luck.
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Exactly what he said! ^^^^^^ except MANS are even more expensive that you'd logically think. For parts and service out of the country and remote Id lean hard on CAT. If your going remote you will be running diesel down and MANS are never happy with that
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:32 AM
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I am aware of only one 64' Bayliss in the market but it is way way from our budget, in regards of the Vikings I saw they are use cat 30 or 32 or MTU 16V2000 depending on the model non using MAN. I agree with you that man is not the engine for me.
Also in remote areas a production boat might be easer to maintain than a custom boat.
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We are currently using an old 58 SF Hatteras with 2 16V92 and it is time to change
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Mated on a 2002 60' Hatteras with Cat 3412's. Cruised at 28 knots and could cruise at 30 knots if you wanted it to. The boat was used a lot for tournament fishing so had to fish on rough days. Great sea boat. Not the greatest in a head sea compared to Carolina boats. Small cockpit compared to Carolina boats. I can't remember range but it held 1600+ gallons. Interior had all the bells and whistles and very comfortable.
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I am aware of only one 64' Bayliss in the market but it is way way from our budget, in regards of the Vikings I saw they are use cat 30 or 32 or MTU 16V2000 depending on the model non using MAN. I agree with you that man is not the engine for me.
Also in remote areas a production boat might be easer to maintain than a custom boat.
I think that it's true that it's easier to maintain the engines out of the country if they are Cats, but not so for the custom vs production boat. Pumps, water lines, etc are basically the same and some parts easier to get for custom boats. For example, my 55' custom boat has a freezer in the cockpit. It's basically a lowes freezer that's sealed up. I could go to any lowes and pick one up and put it right in.
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I disagree on the Custom vs Production for ease of maintenance. the equipment in one is just as much and identical to the other. I say find the boat and engines that fit your need the rest will follow. I would not rule our a custom boat for this job .
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http://www.yachtworld.es/barcos/2004...s#.VEasV4vF_mU

This is the nicest 60 hatteras ive seen around. It has a lot of hours on the engines though.
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I have not run the 61 viking, but I have run the 60' Hatt and the 60' Bertram in that vintage. Both are good boats and powered similarly. The bertram handled better overall and had more interior room. Due to problems at Bertram I would stay in the 2000-2002 range. I am not in love with the MTU packages often run by Viking. I have used MTUs on other boats and find a lot more down time and problems.

Friends who run 61' Vikings speak highly of them except their ride is not quite up to that of the Bert and Hatt in moderate to rough weather. They make excellent use of interior space and engine room configuration though (that I can vouch for). There are also more of them on the market to choose from. People who owned or ran both the 61' and the 65' Viking commented that the 61 was a better boat.

If I were choosing just between the boat you mentioned I would go for the 61' Viking especially if i found one with CATs.

Just my opinions, but I do my best to be truthful and unbiased. Good luck.
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I have ridden the 61 and it rides extremely well. The Viking boats typically have larger cockpits than Hatteras.Man engines are a lot more expensive to service, look for Cats. There is a ton of Vikings that do not have Man engines. I would definitely look for a Viking, their customer service is great. The real concern with both Hatteras and Viking is Fuel burn both boats are going to cruise at over 110 gph.
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Old 10-21-2014, 05:00 PM
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Both are great boats. Buy the one you like.
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Stay away from any boat with MAN's unless it's brand new and has warranty for 5 years or so. Very expensive to keep up without warranty.
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Man's will only be on the smaller vikings, 57' and under. Occasionaly you will see a set in a 60' but every 61' Viking will have Cat 3412, C-30 or C-32's. The 65' will almost always have 16v2000
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Default The 65 Hat is a true battle wagon. Vikings are wetter rides. your #2 request

Both are out of warrantee. So factory service is Moot. I would have the Viking over the Hatteras in normal tournament fishing but not for your needs.
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"This boat will be used for long runs to discover new fishing ground in areas with no boating infrastructure"

How long are you going to be out of port?? If it is more "expedition" style fishing that you are looking for, possibly look into a mothership arrangement with a smaller CC for fishing?? I replied to your similar post on Yachtforums, but didnt see this part on there... Is the speed a deal breaker for you?? If not, you could slow things down, have plenty of fuel for your gensets to run for a week or two, and fish as well... Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by PtJudeRI View Post
"This boat will be used for long runs to discover new fishing ground in areas with no boating infrastructure"

How long are you going to be out of port?? If it is more "expedition" style fishing that you are looking for, possibly look into a mothership arrangement with a smaller CC for fishing?? I replied to your similar post on Yachtforums, but didnt see this part on there... Is the speed a deal breaker for you?? If not, you could slow things down, have plenty of fuel for your gensets to run for a week or two, and fish as well... Just a thought.
You are 100% right, we are talking about a round trip of 800-1000NM with limited fuel avalibility in the route,,, fuel bladers will be used, also we do have a 34 Ocean Master with 3x300 involved.
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Yeah, with that distance, you may have to really look into a few different options. Most sportfish on the market will have a useable range of 400-500 miles at cruise speed. For that distance, plus genset use while away from port, you would be looking at doubling your fuel capacity or more. If you have the 34 OM to fish off, I would look at something like this. You can stay out a week or two, and have fuel and space to spare. Just a thought.
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What is your price range? There is a 1998 Merritt 58 for sale that is Cat powered and was just redone top to bottom in 2012, but they are very proud of it to the tune of like $1.9 mil. Also Ships Cafe, the 60 foot cold molded Merritt that i believe Alan Jackson had redone/repowered a few years back is for sale for $1.8 mil, but it has 10 cylinder MAN's but it has some REAL long legs of boat that size. 26 knots at 60 gph and 1600 gallons of fuel according to the listing. There is also a 1993 65 foot Merritt which I am pretty sure is the former Blondie that was repowered with 12 cylinder MTUs back in 2007. It was badass with the old 16V92's and probably even better with the new light engines, but you have to be willing to live with the light pickled ash wood early 90's interior on that boat. They want like $1.5 million. the two older cold molded boats were redone with a new mezzanine cockpit setup by Merritt. They may a little older and a bit pricier than the factory boats, but you would be the toast of the Hejaz with any of those sleds. my friend. there are also a couple Garlington 61's that have been redone including one with pretty new 1500 hp MTU V10's, but they are REALLY proud of that one at around $2.5 million. There are also a couple of late model 68 and 71 Jim Smiths in that $2.5 m price range. The 68 is a 2006 with MTU's and the 71 is a 1999 repowered by Gregory POlle with 150 hp Cat C32's. No Whitcars, Rybo's or G&S's in your size range for sale right now. I think that covers the Florida boats.

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