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Old 09-12-2005, 12:17 PM
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Old 09-12-2005, 12:38 PM
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Buy The Duramax ! I have an 04 with the newer motor lly. I average 15mpg in the city, 19 on the highway
keeping the speed around 70. Overall average is 16mpg. Great truck. Also owned a f250 with a 7.3 Power Pucker, good truck as well but it was a fuel pig an oil changes were expensive.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:06 PM
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DO NOT, let me repeat, DO NOT, buy a Ford Diesel as long as they are using that POS 6.0L Diesel. Ford has had nothing but problems with the 6.0L, and they have alienated their diesel customer base in a big way. When they came out in 03 they could not figure out why these engines were stalling, bucking and smoking. They actually went to the extreme step of buying back Fords from furious customers who brought their truck in again and again for service. In 04 the problems was supposedly fixed. I wound up taking a leap of faith and buying an 05 Excursion diesel because it was the only SUV diesel on the market that could pull my boat. I was told, "They have all the bugs worked out.....these things are now as reliable as our 7.3s." WRONG! My 05 stalled, bucked, jerked....you name it. After 5000 miles I got out of it. I cannot believe Ford is using these 6.0s exclusively, even in their one ton trucks.

By the way, I have owned not one but TWO GMC trucks, both with the Duramax/Allyson package. This is a wonderful engine, gets better mileage, and never so much as a hiccup. I think I got 16/19 in the Chevy 2500.

I am not GMS biased. In fact, I replaced the Excursion with the Ford King Ranch 1500. That 5.4L gas engine is AWESOME, and with a 3.73 axle ratio, the truck has balls and will pull 9200 pounds in the 4.4 model, and 9500 4x2. I think 80% of the torque is achieved at 1000 RPMS, so plenty of low end power for the boat ramp. When I pull my 9000# boat out of the water, it feels like a jet ski in 4-low.
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Old 09-12-2005, 03:09 PM
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the 10,205 price was without taxes and tags..that was the delivered price..I for one like the ford and the chevy..the chevy is a nice truck..and I am a chevy guy..I still like my ford.I am very thrifty with something like this..I look look and look some more..I look at boats for a long time before I decide on a model..I research what I can and then make the move.
I dont drive my boat or my truck like a racecar..They cost too much and I dont beat them.
buy the ford.
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Old 09-12-2005, 03:38 PM
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John Thomas Dusek: Since you own one of each, I really value your opinion. Thanks for your comments. This thread is really helping me to make up my mind., and seems to have a lot of people who like their Duramax's. Thanks again for your reply. Rangerman
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Old 09-12-2005, 05:22 PM
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I have owned and towed 13,000 lbs plus with each of the big 3. For straight up towing nothing would touch my 04 Cummins with the 600 motor in it and the 6 speed. Best towing mileage and never break sweat experience of any of them. Never had any problems out of it. Fords 6.0 is iffy, but a buddy has about 20,000 miles on his with no problems (05) From what I understand they aren't that bad if you don't chip them. Fords towing is decent but not as good as Cummins. The Chevy 03 Dmax/Allison was by far the worst towing of the 3. Even with the Edge programmer its not on par with the Dodge. 13,000 lbs wouldn't hold 70 uphill (in GA its pretty flat) and that was with it dropped out of o/d and running wide open. Haven't driven the new 06 version but I can say that the allison is the best auto trans, Dodges is the worst. Chevy is fastest empty, Dodge was slowest empty, now that was stock, when I sold my Cummins it dynoed at 450 hp and 875 tq. That picture of the rods is no joke, the Cummins is a straight six, the parts are HUGE, if you like mods that is the only way to go, the others just won't survive the abuse. I had chips programmers on them all, only problem was that the Ford ate 4 trannys, warranty.

Really it depends on whats most important to you. I'd love to put the Cummins motor in an F350 body and frame with the Allison trans. THAT would be the ultimate rig. You just need to decide which aspect is most important and if you can live with the shortcomings of each model, for instance the small cab of the dodge.
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Old 09-12-2005, 06:08 PM
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Having owned all three trucks and in quantity due to the type of business I run I can speak with some experience. All three perfom similar in power, towing, and milage. I have trucks with over 160k miles on them and one Ford with 200k. Motor wise all have been realively free of breakdowns with the exception of the Duramax which went through injector pumps, injectors and pulleys. These issue have been corrected on later models but having 3 trucks go down with the same problems tends to be expensive even though all were covered under warrenty. The real problems are the trucks tend to wearout before the motors making the cost of purchase not economical in the long term. The Dodges have great motors but were the worst on transmission and don't even talk about automatics with them.
The newest ones we are running are Fords with the 6.0 and automatics. They get good fuel economy, pull trailers (10k to 12k) and have had very few problems. Both have 70k miles on them. The one Duramax that we have has 160k and is running fine. We stopped buying Dodges due to the fact that they didn't hold up at all.
All trucks are 350 or larger and are used on a daily bases. Oil is changed every 7k miles with filters.
We just bought 2 new trucks without diesels, both GMC and I doubt we will buy anymore diesels due to the initial cost verses the longevity of the truck in general. When you get over 200k miles out of a gas motor the cost just isn't acceptable.

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Old 09-12-2005, 06:15 PM
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Rangerman,
I am in the same boat as you right now, looking for either a new gmc or ford. I used to have a 2000 f250 7.2 ,4 dr, 4x4 ,lifted on 35s and I got around 14-15 gph city and 18-20 highway with the superchips programmer. I had the truck for 4 years with no problems until it got stolen. I strongly suggest some sort of alarm system, right now in south fla f250/f350 is the number one stolen vehicle.
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Old 09-13-2005, 07:44 AM
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sorry rangerman I forgot.
My f350 is an xlt package.
black grille and bumpers leather seats..all the good options.

I like the durmax too but chevy body style started to get old to me.
I am not a commercial hauler just a regular tower type..the boat and the tractor..I may start bringing back some alfalfa bales from my place in illinois to maryland..so the need for the truck.

I think the ford or the chevy is a coin toss?????

I am not a basher but the dodge has a good motor but that trans??? oh my gosh? what is dodge doing?
I did test drive on once with a manual trans..to his day I have never driven anything with that much power and torque..not even a hemi roadrunner!

chevy won out and I went with the duramax..never had a problem in 3 years and 70k miles.
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No photoshop. That's the real difference. The Cummins is a real diesel and has been that way for a bunch of years. Cummins got it right ages ago and hasn't had to redesign the engine every other year to make it work. Wish I could say the same for the trans. At least the dodge trans is rebuildable into a fairly bullet proof unit and it really doesn't take too much to make it better than the allison. A friend of mine has over 200k on his dodge with a lot of towing and it still has the original trans in it. If my trans goes, it'll just get one of the better high performance/towing units that are available.. Arlon
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Old 09-13-2005, 08:16 AM
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Engine wise, Cummins is probably the toughest of the engines but god they wrapped an ugly truck around it!

I have had my F-250 6.0 fx4 for 1.5 years and I can honestly say it is the best engineered vehicle I have ever owned.....and the best looking
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arlon - 9/13/2005 8:06 AM

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No photoshop. That's the real difference. The Cummins is a real diesel and has been that way for a bunch of years. Cummins got it right ages ago and hasn't had to redesign the engine every other year to make it work. Wish I could say the same for the trans. At least the dodge trans is rebuildable into a fairly bullet proof unit and it really doesn't take too much to make it better than the allison. A friend of mine has over 200k on his dodge with a lot of towing and it still has the original trans in it. If my trans goes, it'll just get one of the better high performance/towing units that are available.. Arlon
You think that the fact the Cummins is a 6 cylinder engine vs 8 cylinders for the Ford and GM might have something to do with the difference?
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arlon - 9/12/2005 9:17 AM

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No photoshop. That's the real difference. The Cummins is a real diesel and has been that way for a bunch of years. Cummins got it right ages ago and hasn't had to redesign the engine every other year to make it work. Wish I could say the same for the trans. At least the dodge trans is rebuildable into a fairly bullet proof unit and it really doesn't take too much to make it better than the allison. A friend of mine has over 200k on his dodge with a lot of towing and it still has the original trans in it. If my trans goes, it'll just get one of the better high performance/towing units that are available.. Arlon
You think that the fact the Cummins is a 6 cylinder engine vs 8 cylinders for the Ford and GM might have something to do with the difference?
the main difference is that the cummins is the only one out of the bunch that was designed to be run in medium duty applications (busses, dump trucks, ect.). When put in a pickup this does two things, increases longevity dramitically, and gives it BALLS. The purpose of a diesel was never intended to have race car excelleration or gas motor like qualities, granted this is what average joe is after, but a diesel is made to tow and haul, which the cummins does much better than the other two due to it's overbuilt inline 6 design.
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One of my buddies just had his Allison transmission go with less than 10,000 miles. Found shavings in it, and then they almost wouldn't replace it under warranty!
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I used to always go Ford when it cam to diesels, however something seems to be wrong with their new powerestroke. I know they a cranking more horsepower out of a smaller motor and thats what seems to be the problem. I personally know three owners in the last year who have blown turbo's and had other SERIOUS issues. Luckily they were under warranty, but when a truck with 8k miles blows a turbo and a rear main seal something is up. Also, If I know three people personally then how many other of these trucks are having problems. Supposedly they are aware of the problem and have made the corrections for 06
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I picked up my new F-250 king ranch 6.0 last night and put about 500 miles on it today. It ran great and was very comfortable. Although, the fit and finish is not as good as my Toyota. Two doors and the rear bumper need slight re-alignment. These will soon be fixed by the dealer. However, MPG is better with the Ford. On the highway I got 19/gallon running empty at between 70 and 80. And the truck has less than 1,000 miles on it. I expect this to improve as it breaks in more. It seems to like running right at 74/75 MPH. My Tundra got 17/18 running the same speed with only 7 to 8 when pulling my 220 LTS. I'm told that I won't know my LTS is back there when I tow. I'm anxious to find out.
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RichardB: Let me know how it tows the 220LTS. That's the same rig I have. I've also heard the same thing, that you will not know its behind you compared to a half ton truck. I'm pulling my 220LTS with a 1500 Chevrolet pickup and I'm going to the F250 or 2500HD Diesel. It sounds like you are getting good hwy mileage at 19 MPG for a new truck. Let me know how it tows the 220LTS and your MPG towing. Thanks Rangerman


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I used to always go Ford when it cam to diesels, however something seems to be wrong with their new powerestroke. I know they a cranking more horsepower out of a smaller motor and thats what seems to be the problem. I personally know three owners in the last year who have blown turbo's and had other SERIOUS issues. Luckily they were under warranty, but when a truck with 8k miles blows a turbo and a rear main seal something is up. Also, If I know three people personally then how many other of these trucks are having problems. Supposedly they are aware of the problem and have made the corrections for 06
They've been saying that since 03. "It's all worked out now. This thing is bullet proof." The answer to your question is a lot of people have been having the problems. IMO, Ford's 06 diesel had better be rock solid. If they come out for a third year with a diesel that is plagued with problems, the same thing that happened to Mercury's reputation on account of the 99, 00, 01 Optimax will happen to Ford. Mercury still has not recovered, and lost a big part of it's loyal customer base, myself included. Although I think the GMC/Chevy by far has the best engine/tranny, I agree with the complaints about the styling. Ford wins in that department hands down. As for Dodge styling, I can only send my sincere wishes to their engineers that they overcome their crack habit.
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