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Old 04-22-2014, 01:33 PM
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The documentation regs say the boat must be marked with its hailing port AND state.Yet I see quite a few boats that use only the town on the transom, not the state abbreviation. Is this simply illegal marking or is there a way to legally omit the state abbreviation?
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I believe the requirement is - you must match the transom boat lettering with whatever is listed on your documentation. If it requires the state, then the same goes for the lettering. Also, I know there are regs. about proper lettering size. Probably a google search will help with that.
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A documented vessel requires a name and hailing port be marked. Boat names only have meaning on documented boats. State registered boats must display the state numbers. Names legally mean nothing but look and feel good for the owners on state registered boats.
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The regulations are very clear: "The "hailing port" must include both a place and a State, Territory, or possession of in the United States. The state may be abbreviated."
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The documentation regs say the boat must be marked with its hailing port AND state.Yet I see quite a few boats that use only the town on the transom, not the state abbreviation. Is this simply illegal marking or is there a way to legally omit the state abbreviation?
Are you sure the boats you have seen with no state abbreviation are documented?
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They must be because there are only two choices to register a boat domestically; state registration or documentation.
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They must be because there are only two choices to register a boat domestically; state registration or documentation.

Yes, I know that. I can only guess that you are assuming the boats are documented because there are no state numbers on the bow. Am I right?
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That's right.
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Here's what I'm referring to. The regs say you have to mark the boat with city and state, but lots of owners don't:

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Is there some legal way around the statute?
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I just did a quick search on the USCG site:

HOW DO I MARK MY VESSEL?

The official number assigned to documented vessels, preceded by the abbreviation "NO." must be marked in block-type Arabic numerals at least three inches high on some clearly visible interior structural part of the hull. The number must be permanently affixed so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious and cause some scarring or damage to the surrounding hull area.

The name and hailing port of a recreational vessel must be marked together on some clearly visible exterior part of the hull. The vessel name of a commercial vessel must also be marked on the port and starboard bow and the vessel name and the hailing port must also be marked on the stern. All markings may be made by any means and materials that result in durable markings and must be at least four inches in height, made in clearly legible letters of the Latin alphabet or Arabic or Roman numerals. The "hailing port" must include both a place and a State, Territory, or possession of in the United States. The state may be abbreviated.
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"The 'hailing port' must include both a place and a State, Territory, or possession of in the United States. The state may be abbreviated."

So how can so many boats leave off the state marking?
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"WOUND UP" Miami does not show as a documented vessel. Could be a state registered vessel or in violation.
The 57 Spencer "WOUND UP" is a DE Corp. boat and could show home port or owner address on the transom but it should include the state.

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Just a thought...not all boats have state numbers on the actual hull. I've seen more than a few put numbers up on the cabin or mounted on a board inside the cabin window. Maybe Wound Up has state numbers that you just didn't notice.

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I just googled Wound Up and found a video of the boat since it is a "for hire" sport fisher.
There are no state numbers anywhere on the boat and the stern clearly does not have FL on it.
Seems to me he is in violation of CG regs.

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They're either State registered or they haven't had a face to face meeting with the Coasties!

You know the old saying; "Nothing's illegal until you get caught."
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OK, I did some more googling. Wound Up shown above is a 57' Spencer, so it must be the one listed on the CG page as having a Delaware hailing port. It is clearly in violation of CG regs.
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