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Old 07-15-2005, 10:18 PM
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One of the most efficient night signals available today are the 2,000,000 candlepower 12 volt handheld search lights for under $30.00! They're bright enough to be effective during daylight also. I've got one on every boat with a cigarette plug in cord and battery.

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Old 07-16-2005, 09:45 AM
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We recently conducted a flare launching excersise. We had requested permission from the CG and were given a 1 hour window. It was during the 4july celebration in our community and the launch was conducted at 2pm. We had oodles of expired flares that people brought to dispose of. We had flares from as far back as 1983 exp date and as recent as 2004 exp date. I was amazed at how many duds were in the batch. About 1/4 of the flares did not work properly. What I took away from this excersise is that I hope my butt never has to depend on a 12 ga flare. I had the oppurtunity to launch a couple 25mm flares. Thats what I want on my boat. The orange smoke flares seemed like they would be great for a daytime sugnal.

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Old 07-16-2005, 02:02 PM
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Regarding the use of a flare gun as a defensive weapon, how about this?

I have a big black Nazi WWII 25 mm flare gun that is quite strong, and made of hardened aluminum alloy. Can I put an aluminum 12 gauge liner in it to reduce the barrel diameter, then use low base (less powerful) 12 gauge shotgun shells for defense in a pinch? My guess is that only a bench test (for safety) would answer the question, but has anyone tried this? Sure would look intimidating. Could also custom load shells with very low powder loads to reduce the pressure. Joe.
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Originally Posted by C-Wolf View Post
Regarding the use of a flare gun as a defensive weapon, how about this?

I have a big black Nazi WWII 25 mm flare gun that is quite strong, and made of hardened aluminum alloy. Can I put an aluminum 12 gauge liner in it to reduce the barrel diameter, then use low base (less powerful) 12 gauge shotgun shells for defense in a pinch? My guess is that only a bench test (for safety) would answer the question, but has anyone tried this? Sure would look intimidating. Could also custom load shells with very low powder loads to reduce the pressure. Joe.
So did you try it?
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Old 04-01-2009, 08:27 PM
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I heard that there is a better grade of flare gun, 12ga, that is all steel and will shoot 12ga shotgun shells as well as flares....double duty and no permit?
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:51 AM
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Man this tread is almost 4 years old!
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:28 AM
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Didn't see how old it was at first. Came up under the similar threads on the botton of another one I was looking at.
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:54 PM
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I don't think the 12 gauge flare would even make it out of the end of a shotgun, bet it would get stuck in the barrel. And I think if you go off shore less than 50 mile you have to have the 3->50 mile flares, and if you are over 50 miles there a over 50 mile kit ($259.99 good for 3 years) They really go way up. But like I allway say" can't put a price on safety". The USCG all way checks the dates on the flares.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by finbox View Post

A hardened steel barrel of a shotgun is a lot stronger than a plastic tube.

That can be good, and that can be bad. If expanding gases are not able to escape, your hardened steel barrel becomes a hand grenade -- it will come apart, possibly with shrapnel, injuring or killing people.

It is something handloaders are aware of; under-charging a load can be as dangerous as over-charging a load -- different mechanics, same result.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by slickster View Post
I heard that there is a better grade of flare gun, 12ga, that is all steel and will shoot 12ga shotgun shells as well as flares....double duty and no permit?

Aren't shotguns supposed to have a minimum barrel length?

I wonder what the kick from shooting a 12ga shotgun shell from a flare pistol would feel like? Talk about needing gun control!

BLAM!
"Where'd the flare pistol go?"
"I don't know, it was in my hand just a second ago."
"Where'd your hand go?"

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Originally Posted by horseradish View Post
One of the most efficient night signals available today are the 2,000,000 candlepower 12 volt handheld search lights for under $30.00! They're bright enough to be effective during daylight also. I've got one on every boat with a cigarette plug in cord and battery.

Won't do you much good if your in the water cause your boat is sinking and you barely managed to get a "mayday" out on the VHF...
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Originally Posted by DarthBaiter View Post
Won't do you much good if your in the water cause your boat is sinking and you barely managed to get a "mayday" out on the VHF...
Maybe he has a 12V plug in his raft
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Originally Posted by sr31aj View Post
I'm tempted to put some fireworks on the boat for use in attracting attention in case of emergency. Here in the great state of New Jersey, local law enforcement is so concerend about protecting us from ourselves (personal fireworks are a BIG no-no) that I think I'd get a faster response setting off illegal fireworks than I would by setting off approved signal flares!
Haha I think you are right!!
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fireworks, your right that would bring people in
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Originally Posted by freddy063 View Post

fireworks, your right that would bring people in

Well, it would get them to within a 1/4-mile -- then they would just drop anchor and watch.
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Originally Posted by finbox View Post
Yes it will work....How do you think they choose the flares in a 12 gage shell? They where first used to shot out of shotguns. Then the cheap plastic guns came out.

The flare does not light as it is passing in the barrel anyways.

A hardened steel barrel of a shotgun is a lot stronger than a plastic tube.

What do you think is going to happen? The shotguns going to blow up in your hand? It's going to catch on fire? Not!! Why do people think this is a crazy thing to do?

"Did you hear what Joe did? He put a 12 gage flare in a 12 gage shot gun...whoooo he is a crazy man!!!

If you have ever shot a 12 gage flare before you will see it is about the weakest looking/feeling gun you ever fired...not to mention the weak light that it produces, a cheap azz firework is twice as bright.

Shoot a 3 inch Mag out of a shot gun and you will laugh at the though of a flare in your shotgun.
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Old 04-03-2009, 07:01 AM
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I don't think the 12 gauge flare would even make it out of the end of a shotgun, bet it would get stuck in the barrel. And I think if you go off shore less than 50 mile you have to have the 3->50 mile flares, and if you are over 50 miles there a over 50 mile kit ($259.99 good for 3 years) They really go way up. But like I allway say" can't put a price on safety". The USCG all way checks the dates on the flares.

Makes sense to have the best equipment out 50 miles but is there an actual USCG requirement for rec boaters outside the 3 mile limit.
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Old 04-03-2009, 07:04 AM
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This is getting redickulus...you can shoot 12 gage flares out of a 12 gage shotgun all day long...I have shot 4 one after the other.

What builds more barrel pressure? A light weight flare with a small charge, or a heavy ass slug with a massive gunpowder charge....
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Old 04-03-2009, 07:34 AM
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At my yacht club, 4th of July night was when we tested the date expired flares,,,
Big raft up on Tawas Bay (prettiest little bay in the world)....
Lots of liquid courage being passed from boat to boat - we don't drink..
Watch the fireworks on shore at East Tawas..
Then the party would start... About midnite the younger set would get to diving through the spot lights whilst skinny dipping and we would head back to the slip as they would go on that way till dawn...
Funny thing... 5th of July we would usually be the only boat going for a dawn sail as the big yellow globe came throwing bright spears through the pines, the mist floating across the bay, perch and trout rising for the insects, and some loon having big chuckle... Those were good years...

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