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Old 11-24-2013, 06:32 PM
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I'm pulling the trigger on a 29 VX and have few questions for advice.

Anything specific questions I need to ask for in the survey? I don't know if a leak down test, scope the exhaust, ecm print outs is part of a survey.

Do they do moisture tests around thru hulls?

Anything stick out with these hulls that has been known to be a problem that any of you are aware of? I've never heard anything.

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From what I've experienced over the last couple of months of our search utilizing a number of Surveyors in Florida and Puerto Rico was:

1. Pick a SAMS certified Surveyor! You'll pay a smidge more than the "bargain" guys, but the quality of product is usually much higher. (I could only find one on The Island!)
2. Make sure you understand what the survey will encompass before agreeing to a particular Surveyor. Get what you pay for! If you have particular concerns, address those before he/she/it performs the survey; however, some Surveyors don't want to hear a THING from you beforehand about the condition of the boat so they have an unbiased look of the vessel. Regardless, thoroughness is paramount.
3. Most Surveyors won't do engine work. They'll make sure they run and aren't giant blobs of corrosion hanging off the back of the hull, but that's about it. Have a Certified Technician (for the Yamaha crowd) give it the Full Monty (Compression, exhaust scope, computer readout, fluids, etc).

I've been more than pleased with the quality and service of the last couple that I've had done.

Best money I've spent in a LONG time. Good luck on the hunt.
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Thank you for your help.

Anyone else have knowledge regarding this hull and what I may need to be looking for?
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fuel tank loose, liner bond failures at amidships area, T top loose off the deck.
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Don't limit yourself to SAMS. Also look at NAMS surveyors as well.
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Sound the hull, especially the transom and have stringers looked at if they're accessible. I believe he can use a moisture meter, also. Include a sea trial with the surveyor onboard. If the fuel tank(s) are accessible you should know what they're made of, have they been replaced, etc. Fuel sample?
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Check for soft spots on the floor. Look for stress cracks on or around the transom.

I have had a few survey's done, the last one I had done was not SAM's and the guy was an idiot. It took him about a hour to do the survey and mailed me a whole book of info and I know he didn't have time to check everything. I found a few things he missed so after I checked the boat out from bow to stern I was pretty confident. The only reason I had the survey done was because the bank required it.
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Originally Posted by chuck34 View Post
Don't limit yourself to SAMS. Also look at NAMS surveyors as well.

Agreed
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At least ask on THT for a surveyor in your area. My experience is that SAMS does not guarantee a good survey. Never use a surveyor recommended by the selling broker. I want a surveyor to also go on sea trial, and get a separate engine survey from a certified mechanic for that specific engine.

Moisture meter all thru the bottom--but if the meter is close to metal it may read falsely high.
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Never use a surveyor recommended by the selling broker.
While I agree with the general idea here, your best bet if you're going this route is to not ask the broker at all. If you are working with a good, honest, broker and he recommends the best surveyors, and then you cross them off because he made the suggestion, you're shooting yourself in the foot.


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You asked in OP about leakdown, exhaust, etc. and the general answer is that the surveyor won't do a super-thorough engine inspection. Your best bet is to also have a mechanical inspection done for compressions/leakdown, computer printout, sea trial, lower unit check, etc.
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Surveys are about common sense, if you are methodical I would pass on the survey look the boat over in great detail and then have the motors checked thoroughly.
If the motors have warranty left use common sense and save a buck.
I have paid for 3 surveys due to bank requirements, 2 out of 3 were not worth it, and didn't bother on the most expensive boat I bought. No regrets,
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I need a recommended surveyor that will travel to the upper Keys. I'm open to suggestions from you all. I'm headed to the woods with wife and daughter for a week and may not be able to respond. I'll be thinking about you all as I'm looking through cross hairs waiting to squeeze the trigger. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!
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Originally Posted by flbluerunner View Post
Surveys are about common sense, if you are methodical I would pass on the survey look the boat over in great detail and then have the motors checked thoroughly.
If the motors have warranty left use common sense and save a buck.
I have paid for 3 surveys due to bank requirements, 2 out of 3 were not worth it, and didn't bother on the most expensive boat I bought. No regrets,
I fell into the 'no surveyor' camp too. A good friend is a surveyor and when I was looking at buying a boat that was 300 miles away, I asked him how to find a good surveyor in the locality. He told me there was no substitute for personal recommendation and that being a member of this or that was no guarantee to them being a good surveyor.

He also made a couple of interesting comments - when he was training, of course they hit on the subject of working out what fee to charge - the guy running the course said, "first thing is to take a look at the car they drive!" - my friend said he did think he was only half joking.

Then the other comment was, "But really what do you think a surveyor is going to be able to tell you about a boat like that that you can't see for yourself?"

Hmm - moisture content? - not so reliable according to him. But if there's later a problem, if I've hired a surveyor I would have some recourse? - I think he dropped the phone through laughing!

So instead I drew up a checklist that I had him check over for me and also asked a boat builder friend to look over it and used it on the inspection, literally ticking each item as I went to make sure I didn't skip anything.

The engine was still under warranty, so apart from a general check over and checking the gearbox oil, all I did was ring the importer and local dealer to check there were no problems with the transfer to a new owner. Had this not been the case I would have hired an engineer to go over it.

But even if you don't feel confident in inspecting the boat yourself, it certainly makes sense to give it as good a look over as you can, and if the owner is willing, to take it for a sea trial before the surveyor's sea trial - there's no point in engaging a surveyor if you find enough wrong with the boat yourself to want to turn away from it.
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Be sure to have the following checked specifically:
- Anchor Locker. Tape over the drain and pour a quart of water in and hopefully it doesn't drain between the liner and hull.
- Stbd Bait well. There are gaps between the rotocast well opening and the fiberglass deck. Water splashes over and into the liner.
- Thru hulls on all 2007 and earlier hulls need a 5" hole saw of the liner removed so the thru hull can be re-installed and sealed to the hull shell only. Thru hulls that have the backing nut tightened to the liner will typically leak water into the liner as well. Hope this helps
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Thank you guys! Anyone know and recommend a surveyor in the Keys?
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At least ask on THT for a surveyor in your area. My experience is that SAMS does not guarantee a good survey. Never use a surveyor recommended by the selling broker. I want a surveyor to also go on sea trial, and get a separate engine survey from a certified mechanic for that specific engine.

Moisture meter all thru the bottom--but if the meter is close to metal it may read falsely high.
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Forget dams and mans as others have said. You must find a surveyor who is familiar with your boat. The best is a personal recommendation from someone you trust.
I once hired a surveyor who had a full page ad in a boating magazine. He was the worst. He missed very easy stuff.
My next boat I got a great recommendation from a boating neighbor and marine diesel mechanic. That guy was the best and has done three surveys for me and many more for friends.
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