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Old 11-05-2013, 09:17 AM
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oh that's a kick in the nuts
definitely lien and or salvage rights

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Old 11-05-2013, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by linesider 159 View Post
…or maybe

Lien Too (Lien Two)

SUB-Poena
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:27 AM
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No good deed goes unpunished. Hope everything works out.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:35 AM
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Damn That SUCKS. Keep this thread on the progress you made from NJ and the things you did to get the Wanderer to it's new home port. it may come in handy..... after you get paid, take him fishing.......
I agree - I would think that perhaps this thread is evidence…..
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:47 AM
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This world is full of bastards. Sorry to hear this. With that said, and all hell wished to the owner, let the naming continue:

"Devil's Dinghy"
"Dead October"
"Hull 2 Contract Breaches" (2 sinks, one contract)
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NEMS you should probably not post here for now as I am sure your atty has told you. This is what I would expect from some of the clowns down my neck of the woods. I would just make sure that you have aggressive counsel, the whole concept of salvage, liens, physical control of a liened asset would seem to need a special attorney.

I can't stand people who take advantage of an average working guy who has worked hard for the principal.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:12 AM
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Unless you have documentation and a good lawyer retained(along with a fat bank account to pay for billed hours), you are effed. What good will a lien do on a sunken boat? Not much, I'll wager.
I know nothing I say will assuage your anguish.
Should have left it sunk...either where Sandy put it or at Myrtle Beach.
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Based on Wolakrab's post; and since it is all you seem to be getting paid:

Ass Uages



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Originally Posted by Wolakrab View Post
Unless you have documentation and a good lawyer retained(along with a fat bank account to pay for billed hours), you are effed. What good will a lien do on a sunken boat? Not much, I'll wager.
I know nothing I say will assuage your anguish.
Should have left it sunk...either where Sandy put it or at Myrtle Beach.
Well, hindsight is 20-20…..of course if he knew then what he knows now, he'd have left it on the bottom.

Having said that, I would not assume he is "effed" in this situation. He certainly has a lot of circumstantial supporting evidence, and I assume, possession of the boat still (FWIW). He also has reasonable expectation, as he has done something like 10 jobs for this customer?
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This just makes me sick...
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Originally Posted by NEMS Boatworks View Post
sorry for the delayed update the nems crew and all parties including the owners are currently in a pissing match with lawyers. here's a little about what's going on i'd like your opinions. I started this build in the beginning of june and stayed till the middle of august with 3 men from fl and one local worker. as I left in august I was owed a little over 21k which was my mistake I made because I trusted the owners partner who ive built around 10 boats for in the last 3 years. long story short I think everyone here has seen my perseverance and dedication to the boat and her owners from day one. to clear the air for alarms, while I was in ft.lauderdale in a meeting with owners I provided quotes with items needed to make this trip work. which on that list were 8 bildge pumps and 6 high water alarms. I was not funded with a complete payment for materials as a matter of fact after the owner knew he owed me a substantial amount he continued to ask me to put more funds out of my personal accounts. I told the owner while I was in jersey before she left that he had taped me out of funds and I had nothing more to help him he continued to be in a hurry to get her underway which he denies now. I have asked for high water alarms again in SC and again when I arrived home in FL they are still not installed or purchased. after I went back to myrtle beach relieved the original crew with myself a good friend of mine a licensed captain for them to get insurance. they still haven't insured the vessel because it hasn't been hauled for survey. I traveled up to myrtle beach pickled the engines, helped put all the barrels back in the cockpit, re installed the saddle tanks, flushed all lines and re mounted oil tanks, pickled the generator and got it running as well, completely degreased ,bleached and orpined the whole interior and then air dried her. after we got her ready to go we put provisions on board and got underway. we did nothing but our best for this gentleman and delivered his boat home safe and sound on our part. as of us returning I was told he would sign something stating he owed me what he owed me and he would pay in somewhat of a timely manner, which when we met he refused so obviously hes been planning this since ive been under way on wanderer. now because he tells me I made him make this decision by trying to have him sign an agreement he has chosen not to pay and tells me he will be trying to charge me with the same as the old crew. all I did was ask for a simple signature to state ive provided a service for you and would like to be paid sometime in the near future . as a bonus to all of it he had the audacity to tell me that I cant be paid now because he needs to finish the boat. so if I gave him three guys all summer and a floating boat in the end and he does this to me what do you think he'll do to all of the other companies needed to refit this vessel so watch out for him.
what are your opinions would love to hear them.
Correct me if I'm wrong. This is the Greek guy from the NY/NJ area, or did I read the article wrong?
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Originally Posted by clamjammer View Post
Sink it again and burn the owners house down.
my thoughts exactly. does he have any daughters of legal age?
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What a hell of a trip to get shafted on.
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Salvage rights?????? you savaged it right !! Sell the TOWER......then sell what ever else that is on it of value.....

Ok guys I know NEMs cannot speak to this further.....

But all You Legal Eagles out there What is His Rights Here ?

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I am at the point that I hope this ends up in court. That way we will know the name of the DB that shafted NEMs.

Not saying I will drive to FL the beat the guy's ass, but he may be a business man we can hurt in other ways.
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:31 PM
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No need to wait for a trial to get the guys name. Sometime just after the sinking in S.C. someone posted a link to a local tv station news report where I believe they interviewed him on camera.
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Originally Posted by Coconut Sunrise View Post
Salvage rights?????? you savaged it right !! Sell the TOWER......then sell what ever else that is on it of value.....

Ok guys I know NEMs cannot speak to this further.....

But all You Legal Eagles out there What is His Rights Here ?

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salvage and mechanics lien you need to have "voluntary possession" of the vessel. On documented vessels if the work is of high enough value you can get a workmans/shipyard lien against title. the more parties that are seeking it the better
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I hope u get all your MONEY after carrying out all and above your duties !!!
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Originally Posted by C. Edmund View Post
Well, hindsight is 20-20…..of course if he knew then what he knows now, he'd have left it on the bottom.

Having said that, I would not assume he is "effed" in this situation. He certainly has a lot of circumstantial supporting evidence, and I assume, possession of the boat still (FWIW). He also has reasonable expectation, as he has done something like 10 jobs for this customer?
I believe the guy he got this boat for is partners with the guy he did 10 builds for.

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Oct 13, 2013 - "Trying to find out if it was crew negligence or boat damage," said Stelios Hiotis who ...
This was in the article from the sinking.
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