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Old 10-04-2014, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw View Post
Well I am going to differ with you here, whether its the Fight Club or the Attaboy Club. What's the favorite saying? Don't confuse me with the facts, as my mind is made up" . In the case of all online forums, the level of education and knowledge varies, and can cause strife.

Open discussion on boats and boat designs can cause the uninformed or the ill informed to be outraged. In many cases both can and will get all huffy even while ill intent is rarely the reason for posting differences when observing idiotic behavior and content. If you follow the Fight Club, this is very apparent now.

Like he said, the pissing match should stay in the fight club.
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Old 10-05-2014, 04:33 AM
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Like he said, the pissing match should stay in the fight club.
I don't need your permission or anyone else's permission to post on topic and to the point in a civil manner on any thread. If you don't agree with my positions, post content that shows I am wrong. In the mean time your stalking is getting old.
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Gets popcorn and settles down...
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Well this sucks. I get back from a week of hunting the beautiful state of SC to find one of my favorite threads is no more.

Kln & Xcelerator, I wish you all the best!
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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw View Post
I don't need your permission or anyone else's permission to post on topic and to the point in a civil manner on any thread. If you don't agree with my positions, post content that shows I am wrong. In the mean time your stalking is getting old.
Hi Scratch. I couldn't have said it any better if I tried.
And I have.
Well done Sir!
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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw View Post
I don't need your permission or anyone else's permission to post on topic and to the point in a civil manner on any thread. If you don't agree with my positions, post content that shows I am wrong. In the mean time your stalking is getting old.
Where's your build threads?
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Where's your build threads?
Where's yours, smarty pants? Whether or not he's ever had ANY build threads is irrelevant. I can assure you he's forgotten more about boat building than most on here will ever know, furthermore, he's also got the ability and knowledge to fix effed up boats drawn by so called "designers". If you knew half of what's he's done as a builder you'd have a lot more respect when addressing him regarding boat building. So, where are your build threads?
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Originally Posted by A_Frayed_Knot View Post
Where's your build threads?
When you loose any discussion, you deflect. As usual you are providing nothing.
While we wait for any and all updates on KLN's 22 project, I will provide one of the funniest posts that I have seen in a while that was also provided by KLN himself that's very fitting here.


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You jokers couldn't keep up with us working if all you had to do was hold my spit cup.
Moving right along...
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Where's yours, smarty pants? Whether or not he's ever had ANY build threads is irrelevant. I can assure you he's forgotten more about boat building than most on here will ever know, furthermore, he's also got the ability and knowledge to fix effed up boats drawn by so called "designers". If you knew half of what's he's done as a builder you'd have a lot more respect when addressing him regarding boat building. So, where are your build threads?
Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw View Post
When you loose any discussion, you deflect. As usual you are providing nothing.
While we wait for any and all updates on KLN's 22 project, I will provide one of the funniest posts that I have seen in a while that was also provided by KLN himself that's very fitting here.



Moving right along...
You guys get your panties in a bunch real quick.
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You guys get your panties in a bunch real quick.
Hey pot,....kettle callin!
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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw View Post
I don't need your permission or anyone else's permission to post on topic and to the point in a civil manner on any thread. If you don't agree with my positions, post content that shows I am wrong. In the mean time your stalking is getting old.
Well said, that would be pretty cool if it happened like that. Don't like the build, don't like the design, got a better idea.....great, communicate it in a respectful manner. Unfortunately there were several around here that don't have enough class to do that. I thought they (KLN) did a great job of answering all questions related to the build and design. It's aggravating that we can't see the boat finished because of a few zits here.

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Well said, that would be pretty cool if it happened like that. Don't like the build, don't like the design, got a better idea.....great, communicate it in a respectful manner.
Agree 100%
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I am not sure why folks have what I read as more than constructive criticism for these guys.

There's enough business for everyone right now, fellas. Focus on your own stuff, and time will churn the cream from the rest. Using the www as the churn isn't going to work out for anybody except maybe some lawyers.....

Nobody knows everything about boats or boat building. Anytime somebody tells you so, you'd better run.

And hooks in hulls? Some exceptional power hulls have had them. Strakes? Some exceptional hulls have had various designs with or without. Some of it's real, and some of it's dogma. I can also tell you that just because an engineer stamps something doesn't mean it can't have serious issues. Whether whatever is built into a hull shown here on THT is up for the builder to reveal or explain if he wants. Throwing statements out there based on unfounded opinion or in negative connotation isn't very smart. No engineer? Have you seen the drawings for the boat? You think these guys would drop this kind of money on something that wasn't professionally designed? This stuff is EXPENSIVE! They would have gone bankrupt already.

It takes a little of everything, and it takes a willingness to think outside the box to ever improve on anything. There's a place for tried and true, a place for experimental, and a place for something in between. Why not be constructive instead of having jealousy or latent agendas stink up the place like a middle school boy's locker room, complete with kids walking around not even knowing how it can stink so bad.

It is hard enough to show so much of your work on the internet- wide open to the world and permanent. Claims that these guys have issues with any of their work is pretty ironic considering how much of it is visible here. It's easy to cross your arms and throw things out there while you've only seen one perspective. Trust me, it's pretty annoying when people do that, though. Someone constructive wouldn't have that arms-crossed tone so conspicuous in their comments here.

Just my opinion. Sorry for the side track.
Hi Phin. PM'd you awhile back, but let me clarify a point or two for the public record.
Hooks were once for bad vaudeville acts; still quite popular with fisherman, and are occasionally utilized (for trim) in hull design. I assure you, there are no beneficial hooks, metaphorical or otherwise from this designer.
Unfortunately the hard working and talented partners have been unwitting victims of his incompetence.
Please spare yourself further embarrassment by not attempting to re-define this discussion into something (economic) that it is not.
Rick.

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Old 10-08-2014, 07:01 AM
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Hi Phin. PM'd you awhile back, but let me clarify a point or two for the public record.
Hooks were once for bad vaudeville acts; still quite popular with fisherman, and are occasionally utilized (for trim) in hull design. I assure you, there are no beneficial hooks, metaphorical or otherwise from this designer.
Unfortunately the hard working and talented partners have been unwitting victims of his incompetence.
Please spare yourself further embarrassment by not attempting to re-define this discussion into something (economic) that it is not.
Rick.


I think you aren't giving me enough credit for what I know about the "discussion." I am not redefining anything. I truly feel that I understand what the goals of everyone involved are. What I am warning of is not that the goals are illegitimate; it is that the means seeking to obtain those goals have been irresponsible on some folks' parts, at best.

I am arguing on principle just as much as I am economics. A lot is at stake for everyone involved, but I feel that some others are arguing mainly on principle in the "discussion," and those individuals ought to at least recognize the merit in the principle I'm asserting.


A discussion has been taking place, in public, in front of customers, about alleged flaws in a product's design. You cannot definitively tell me that Xcelerator or one of their boats has not been the target of any passionate (possibly reckless), deliberate (possibly intentional) statements made by others, whose agenda is obviously to "call out" (harm) a design partner (former or current) of Xcelerator be drawing attention to features or circumstances visible in this thread that cannot be unequivocally called "the same as" those in other builds or other boats which may exist and may or may not have any problems. You cannot definitively tell me the above is not correct because the "discussion" has taken place on a thread started by Xcelerator, about Xcelerator builds.
You also cannot definitively tell me that there has not been a potential customer, who as a result of reading the aforementioned "discussion," in whole or in part, with its "deliberate" "calling out" of a "design partner," or a "builder," has chosen not to become a patron of Xcelerator Boatworks. This is known as "damages," FWIW.

It is not my intent to start some legal battle. It is only my intent to explain to some of you that you need to think about what you are doing a little more before you consider the ends as justifying any and all collateral damage you could cause to other people along your way there. If you have a problem with ENVI, exhaust the opportunities to resolve the problems with him, and then go to the courts. If you want to provide public service announcements with your opinions of a business, you'll be held responsible for what you say. Is this thread the place for such public service announcements? Is this thread the place to make sure Xcelerator understands what others think of a designer?

Maybe so. It's THT.
THT isn't exempt from the law though, and the law's treatment of any of this will depend on how and what is said.

If you don't like lawyer-speak, then I will tell you that it really isn't any different than what my grandmama used to say.

"You're responsible for everything you say- especially what you write."
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