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Look at the fuel use of this center console on a canyon trip. Who needs diesel.

Old 10-14-2012, 03:51 PM
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Default Look at the fuel use of this center console on a canyon trip. Who needs diesel.

Just recently I even heard billy freeman say we need diesel outboards for better MPG?? Alls we need is to have less of a need for speed.

He tops out at 47 MPH and cruises at 30 getting an average of 3 MPG on loaded down fishing trips to the canyons.

This is a 26 concept with twin 115 4 stroke yamahas

These are his words now.
Just got back from a successful tuna trip, Went out friday morning to saturday evening. The Boats LOacted in Freeport Long Island New York. We boat out of Jones Inlet. Ran the boat to the texas tower 78 miles from port then trolled another 9 hours to the ledge and around the canyon and the center of the canyon as well as the leges at the Hudson Canyon.

On the troll there we hit 6 yellow fin ranging from 65 to 85 pounds. At the ledge we hit another 3, Tied up to a pot and set in for the night. Right away hit a 135 pound sword fish, and then nothing the rest of the night. Morning around 545 we then trolled back from the canyon to the texas tower. hit another 2 yellow fins and almost a state record wahoo at 77 pounds. On the way out and the over night The weather was good 1 to 3 foot seas ran 30 knots. about 34 mph,


On the way back home wind started picking up, Ran in at 30 knots in 2 to 3 with an accosional 4 to 5, about 28 tmiles from the beach it staterted really getting crappy out, had to back it down to 16 to 20 knots back and forth because the sea became 6 to 8 with occasional 7 to 10.

Waves were starting to get close togeather with white caps turning over. Made it back to the dock at 4pm from a 129 mile run after trolling. We left topped off with fuel and had 40 gallons of reserve fuel ob board bc we never ran this far with this boat before. Well she only burned 89 gallons the entire trip. No need for the reserve fuel next time. Round trip was 272 miles with trolling etc... And if we diddnt come accross the crappy weather we would have burned even less fuel.

I dont have a flow gauge but this should give you guys and idea of fuel efficientcy . Not to mention we were loaded down with ice and fish on the way in and 4 men which were all 190 to 250 pounds and gea,r reserve fuel.....The boat performed as it should and we were at no time worried or unconfident of this boats capability this trip. She ran great, I wish i could keep her but cant.... So just to give you fellas an idea of the performance fuel burn....

My friend who has a single diesel did the same trip and burned 118 gallons the entire trip and another friend who has a twin diesel sportfish burned 240 gallons the entire trip....

I saw this a couple days ago and just keep thinking how much speed actually cost and how many times can you really use it?
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Old 10-14-2012, 03:58 PM
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Great trip. This is new, lol. Speed =$$$$?
The only reason we hear of guys championing 1 MPG center consoles is because they want to cruise at 50 mph. Cruising at 30-35 mph used to be the norm and probably still is but on here you'd think 45 is slow, lol.
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I am not calling total BS BUT I have a Sailfish 2360CC with F115's and about the best you can get per the Yamaha fuel monitoring is (non ethanol) they get 2.5 MPG and with (ethanol) they get 2.3 MPG at about 28 mph.... I have some doubts a 26 footer gets those numbers BUT mine is 9 foot beam too... A 60 mile trip out and 5 to 7 hours trolling then run back in I burn about 70 to 75 gallons, so his numbers definitely seem kind of skewed...

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I find the numbers interesting. I have a 25 Mako 8 1/2' beam with 23 degrees deadrise with twin 150 Optimax's and at 4000 rpm cruise I burning 13 gph at 26 knots and by my math thats 2 nautical gallons per hour.

"On the way back home wind started picking up, Ran in at 30 knots in 2 to 3 with an occasional 4 to 5, about 28 tmiles from the beach it staterted really getting crappy out, had to back it down to 16 to 20 knots back and forth because the sea became 6 to 8 with occasional 7 to 10."
That sounds pretty quick for those condition with out beating the boat and it's occupants half to death.
Nice story though
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I am not calling total BS BUT I have a Sailfish 2360CC with F115's and (non ethanol) they get 2.5 MPG and with (ethanol) they get 2.3 MPG at about 28 mph.... I have some doubts a 26 footer gets those numbers BUT mine is 9 foot beam too... A 60 mile trip out and 5 to 7 hours trolling then run back in I burn about 70 to 75 gallons, so his numbers definitely seem kind of skewed...
I think his concept is the original less then 8 ft wide 25 contender hull only built with modern lightweight materials. He did have a T top also. I was wondering about 175 zukes or the new mercury 150 4 strokes. On my 27 ft former 233 formula hull. I have twin 250 2 strokes on it now? Stupid is what I am. Now maybe 115 yamahas
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Comparing diesel with gas you need to compare apples with apples. Fit the same boat with a single 230hp diesel and it will perform better and use less fuel for the same trip than twin 115 outboards. There is just a basic rule of nature that a gallon or diesel produces more hp than a gallon of gas. As long as the setups are equally efficient, diesel will win every time. Couple that with a single stern leg vs twin outboard 'legs' and there is even more efficiency gained.
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The story is BS. I don't care who the captain or author is!
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I see this boat is for sale...which might explain the stretch on the story IMHO ...
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Diesels r usually 15 to 20 percent better on fuel then gas on a certain size boat. Not to mention the ride difference. Diesel outboard would be sweet but the weight and noise would leave it lacking a market. Not to mention it would end up being a high revving diesel. Iinitial purchase of diesel hurts a little too.
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Originally Posted by Bly View Post
On the way out and the over night The weather was good 1 to 3 foot seas ran 30 knots. about 34 mph, On the way back home wind started picking up, Ran in at 30 knots in 2 to 3 with an accosional 4 to 5, about 28 tmiles from the beach it staterted really getting crappy out, had to back it down to 16 to 20 knots back and forth because the sea became 6 to 8 with occasional 7 to 10.

Waves were starting to get close togeather with white caps turning over. Made it back to the dock at 4pm from a 129 mile run after trolling. We left topped off with fuel and had 40 gallons of reserve fuel ob board bc we never ran this far with this boat before. Well she only burned 89 gallons the entire trip. No need for the reserve fuel next time. Round trip was 272 miles with trolling etc... And if we diddnt come accross the crappy weather we would have burned even less fuel.
the story of him running 30 knots in a true 3 ft sea is on the hard to believe side and it gets even more shady as the story continues....

16-20 knots in a 6-8 ft sea is complete bs in a 26 ft boat.

i have to wonder if he really knows what a 7-10 ft sea is.

sea state on here is as overstated as fish size.....
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Maybe they were going downhill both ways.
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7 to 10's in a 26 foot boat? You would be to busy kissing hard ground to have time to post. You would be lucky to make a knot or two in those conditions.
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I was once in 100 foot seas in a 48' lobster boat. The captain, what was his name...Billy Tyne or something, was a crazy guy, but good. One of the other guys kept talking about he was in some band, The Funky Bunch. It was a good time until everyone died.
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I was once in 100 foot seas in a 48' lobster boat. The captain, what was his name...Billy Tyne or something, was a crazy guy, but good. One of the other guys kept talking about he was in some band, The Funky Bunch. It was a good time until everyone died.
Not cool to talk about the dead... you should always be respectful
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Sounds like the tuna and wahoos pulled them most of the way .
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