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Old 09-23-2012, 03:15 PM
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I wish I had not had knee surgery so climbing up and down those stairs would have been easier.

Too bad, because the FB would give you a "little" more as far as overnight trips go.
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:58 PM
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Blackfin hands down. Luhrs isn't in the same galaxy. You mentioned you're looking for a retirement toy. The Blackfin will hold its resale value much better and Detroits are cheap and easy to work on comparably, although 485 out of the 671 is a death sentence if you want longevity. Detuning would be a great idea. If you're looking to go offshore the Blackfin is the answer. You'll be happy that first time you hit snotty weather on the way in. Nice to have a piece of mind.
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Old 09-23-2012, 04:52 PM
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I will for sure give it more thought. I can go look at an FB not to far from here but for now I am sticking with the Combi. Thanks folks for the info so far. Nice to hear so many people standing behind such a fine boat.
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Old 09-23-2012, 05:20 PM
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Your wife will like the FB 100000000000000% better. Accommodations for one and the ability to hold a conversation while underway a close second!!!

Like others have said not a fair comparison Blackfin Vs Luhrs......In that vintage, Blackfin can be compared to Hatteras, Bertram, Topaz, Henriques while the Luhrs might best be compared to older Oceans.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:08 PM
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The 38 in Ft. Lauderdale is docked on the New River, I pass it on the way out. Boat looks like it has not been attended to and shows, from the water, too be very neglected. It is priced very low and may be worth a look. Plan to spend some money but in the end it may be a good deal.
The 38 is a stretched 36 and the 38 is a much better layout and runner. Given a choice I would go 38 over 36.

Most 38's were 6V92 powered and this hull and weight really needs the 92 power. Watch for moisture, not uncommon for Blackfins of this vintage.
Great riding boat, built like a tank but expect to pay for it at the fuel dock.
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:24 PM
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As far as the rotting issues, where would one look first? I have read the rod holders in the gunnels.
Bertram42, Do you know the people that own the boat? I have called the listing broker more than once and left messages and sent emails but no one has returned my calls or returned emails. Just want to know if I should add it to the must see list or not.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:38 AM
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As far as the rotting issues, where would one look first? I have read the rod holders in the gunnels.
Bertram42, Do you know the people that own the boat? I have called the listing broker more than once and left messages and sent emails but no one has returned my calls or returned emails. Just want to know if I should add it to the must see list or not.
There are basically four areas to look at:
gunnel caps where the rod holders and any other cut-outs are;
engine room bulkhead - it is glassed to about 30" off the bottom, but some owners cut holes much lower without sealing properly;
forward deck around the windlass installation; and
the internal bulkheads if it looks like some had "modified" them.

In case you missed it, there is a common theme - poor post manufacture modifications that lead to water egress.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:43 AM
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Thanks guys for all the great info. I will be looking those areas over very hard on each boat I go look at. Found another one last night in NJ. Going to go see that one also.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Absolute View Post
Final Score:
Blackfin 3 / Luhrs 0
Blackfin 4 / Luhrs 0

I loved my 38' Combi, and I wish I had not let her go- - Mine had 600hp Volvos- parts were high, but I needed very few, and she was a little more fuel efficient than the DD boats- I flightplanned .7 mpg, routinely got better than that-

Good luck-

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Old 09-24-2012, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Rob Baylor View Post
As far as the rotting issues, where would one look first? I have read the rod holders in the gunnels.
Bertram42, Do you know the people that own the boat? I have called the listing broker more than once and left messages and sent emails but no one has returned my calls or returned emails. Just want to know if I should add it to the must see list or not.
LI32 has pretty much hit the nail on the head as to where to look for moisture. And he is also right that most common causes of moisture intrusion, owner neglect and modification. Sorry you are having a hard time with the broker. The broker is in RI and the boat in FL. That's got to tell you something, too bad the owner chose someone who was not serious about representing his boat. the boat has been on the market since March 2011, 18 months and the broker is sleeping at the switch.
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:04 PM
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Sorry you are having a hard time with the broker. The broker is in RI and the boat in FL. That's got to tell you something, too bad the owner chose someone who was not serious about representing his boat. the boat has been on the market since March 2011, 18 months and the broker is sleeping at the switch.
Just a thought: If you are interested in that boat and it is a documented vessel, and Bertram 42 knows the name, try here:

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st1/Coas...selByName.html

...and maybe you can contact the owner?
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:50 PM
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Just a thought: If you are interested in that boat and it is a documented vessel, and Bertram 42 knows the name, try here:

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st1/Coas...selByName.html

...and maybe you can contact the owner?
Boat is documented to a Corporation in MD. Never get a response.
If I were the OP I would send an email to Kevin Merrigan, President of Northrup & Johnson and let him know the broker in RI is not paying attention and doing what he should be doing. Call the Ft. Lauderdale office at 954.522.3344 to get his email address or talk to him directly.
That's a big company and no reason for lack of response no matter what the value of the listing is.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:21 PM
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Well I did get a call from the broker this afternoon after calling and emailing twice today. Said he had been busy setting up a boat show up North but was back in Florida. He is going over to the boat Wednesday and walk me through it over the phone. Asked about hours on engines but said they had no hour meters. Sound right to you guys?
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No hour meters? What happened to the ones that came with the boat? Sounds fishy to me.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:08 PM
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I am going to see what happens on Wednesday. I am now scheduled to fly out the NJ to see the one listed there. It is a 1995 also with 671's. Leaving out next Wednesday.
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If it is the one in Avalon, you may want to detune those 485 hp 71's. Good Luck and let us know how you make out.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:55 PM
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It is the one in Avalon. I have called J&T and the mechanic walked me through the detuning process. I will keep you guys posted. We also may run up to Freeport and look at an 89 FB that is there with 6v92. Not sure I can do it as we road on a 31 Bert today that I helped a guy work on and about the sixth time down those steep stairs and my knee was talking to me. Getting ready to quite it down right now with a cold one.
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Sounded fishy to me also but I will wait until Wednesday to make a final decision regarding going to see the boat in person.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:03 PM
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Blackfin 100 percent! The FB 38' is the best riding 38 on the water! First time I ran one I was shocked at its sea keeping abilities, rode more like a 50'er. Luhrs makes an alright, middle of the road price point boat. The 41 was the best riding hull. Get a good surveyor, one that survey's alot of custom carolina SF boats as he will know how to find the trouble spots on the wood boats. I have to agree that you, if possible should get the flybridge model. Good luck!
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Rob Baylor View Post
It is the one in Avalon. I have called J&T and the mechanic walked me through the detuning process. I will keep you guys posted. We also may run up to Freeport and look at an 89 FB that is there with 6v92. Not sure I can do it as we road on a 31 Bert today that I helped a guy work on and about the sixth time down those steep stairs and my knee was talking to me. Getting ready to quite it down right now with a cold one.
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