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Old 07-20-2012, 09:11 AM
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Well it has now been 7 months and I still have not been on the water. Around the Christmas break last year I was heading out to go fishing with my brother and his girl friend when we stopped to catch some bait. Next thing I know is the boat is sinking. It was sinking very fast. I tried to get the boat on plane but it just seemed to sink even faster. My brother who has been on the water over 35 years stuck his hand over the side of the boat to find that the Hull had separated from the cap. I yelled up to him to open the hatches in the back of the boat to relieve the water pressure. As the wall of water came pouring out of both hatches he started stuffing the 9 foot long and 4 inch gap that ran down the entire side of the boat with beach towels to plug the hole. We then saw the engine go under but never quit. Thanks Mercury for building an awesome 225 optimax. If it wasn't for that engine I don't know where I would be. Seafox said to me that this never happens and they would get right on it and get it fixed better than new. They had me bring it to a local dealer here in town that sold their boats to get it fixed. They had the boat for about 4 months when they decided to give it back to me. A little nervous I hired a marine inspector and he said not to touch it until he could get there to inspect it. Well I picked up the boat and drove it to my house where we met an inspector that does all the Coast Guard litigation in the state of Florida. He went over the boat very well and deemed that the boat was not seaworthy. Well my lawyer sent the report to Seafox HQ and they agreed to have it shipped up to their manufacturing plant to have their engineers look at it. Meanwhile here I sit 7 months later still with no boat. Now they have not responded to my lawyer in the last 25 days. I guess they really must be busy. My lawyer has sent emails to them with no response. I just don't get it. Is everyone that works in the Marine industry just that lazy or is it that they just don't give a crap about the customer.
Now I don't know much about Marine construction but if you have to insert screws every two to three inches when you build a boat. What happens when you have to repair that boat by lifting the cap off the Hull and then replace the screws again. Well I saw the some empty holes and some screws were even pushed threw the same holes. Now they want to redo the boat again. That means three sets of holes in the same two or three inch radius. What about Hull integrity? It seems to me that the Hull would be compromised with to many holes.
Well I have told my lawyer that my wife will no longer go on that boat and my friends don't want to take any chances going offshore. So now what do I do? Make it a lawn ornament.
I say if they think it is fixed then why don't they sell it "as is" to someone in their family and tell them it's safe. I'm sure they could still sell it for the cost of given me a new boat. Hell I would still keep my engine for that matter since it is the only thing that hasn't let me down yet. Oh yeah I forgot now that its been sitting for 7 months it's probably got fuel line issues or something else wrong with it. What to do...? ;?
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:25 AM
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I hate to say it but, you should have googled seafox and then you wouldn't have this headache. This is why I buy old good made boats. I cannt afford a new pursuit, contender, sea vee, so the next best thing is own one of those boats that's old. I had a 91 pursuit, it was a top notch boat with no issues. I sold it and when I started looking again I decided to do it again. So I just bought a 89 pursuit. It might need some work but nothing like what you have. I have seen pics on tht that would scare the shit out of you, an not buy a seafox. I feel bad for your situation but google is your friend when it comes to boating
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I'm not going to argue but that is an odd and almost impossible scenerio to take on water in an upward fashion - especially enough to sink it.
Old 07-20-2012, 09:51 AM
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That looks like one of the older designs. What model year is your boat? Maybe a 2006?

Of course, I understand your frustration. Also, it seems that they're trying to honor their lifetime hull warranty. But, there is a reason they changed their hull design, and I'm glad that mine is doing just fine after three seasons. Good luck with yours, I hope you get a new boat out of the deal.
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This " I hate to say it but, you should have googled seafox and then you wouldn't have this headache."
Old 07-20-2012, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FredRog72 View Post
I'm not going to argue but that is an odd and almost impossible scenerio to take on water in an upward fashion - especially enough to sink it.
As the boat tried to get on plane the back end of the boat sat down and the water came up the side of the boat and into the 4 inch gap. Once the boat had enough water in it the boat was to heavy to move. The more gas I gave it the more water came in.
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Originally Posted by FredRog72 View Post
I'm not going to argue but that is an odd and almost impossible scenerio to take on water in an upward fashion - especially enough to sink it.
I agree...how did the boat take on so much water between the cap and hull joint?

No doubt...that is a huge problem and needs to be fixed correctly. Just don't understand how so much water got in the hull. The waterline is down by the black stripes. Unless it was so rough that the boat was pitching and rolling so hard that the rub rails were getting dunked and it was gulping water in.
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good luck dynamat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i don't know you and i'm only new to this forum but as a fellow boater i hear ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hope they make it right for you!!!
good luck in the future and i love mercury marine too!! they'd be proud of your story that the big 225 got you back to shore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Dynamat View Post
As the boat tried to get on plane the back end of the boat sat down and the water came up the side of the boat and into the 4 inch gap. Once the boat had enough water in it the boat was to heavy to move. The more gas I gave it the more water came in.

OK that makes sense if the gap followed the rub rail down the slope to the transom.
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Originally Posted by sea_major View Post
That looks like one of the older designs. What model year is your boat? Maybe a 2006?

Of course, I understand your frustration. Also, it seems that they're trying to honor their lifetime hull warranty. But, there is a reason they changed their hull design, and I'm glad that mine is doing just fine after three seasons. Good luck with yours, I hope you get a new boat out of the deal.
Yes it is the 06 model. I guess I should be thankful that this happened in the Gulf off of Sanibel island on a calm day. I have been known to take this boat grouper fishing before 35+ miles off shore. We would have never made it from that far out. Now my biggest fear is that they say they want to fix it. I will always be afraid to take long trips or have alot of people on board at one time.
As of yesterday when my lawyer mentioned the final date to file suit then they responded within ten minutes. Said they fixed the boat better than the new boats. I only hope they are right. My next biggest fear is the engine. It has not been in the water for 7 months.
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Thats a very good Idea. They Mercury might want to look at the engine since I had it a full power doing a wheely for about 25 minutes under a heavy load.
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Originally Posted by Dynamat View Post
........... they would get right on it and get it fixed better than new.................

there is your first problem. with water intrusion like you mentioned i would have demanded a NEW boat...........
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" Now my biggest fear is that they say they want to fix it." I would also be scared also. From your pics you can see the is no backing for the screws to bite into. Eventually those screw will come lose again, creating the same problem. If the did it better than new then they added backing and also added some kind of sealant between the cap and the hull, but I dought they did that. I see you have a daughter from the pic, for your Saftey hers and all that ride on it, make sure it was done right. Have it checked again by the surveyor.
Old 07-20-2012, 12:33 PM
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I wouldnt let them fix it. Id demand a new boat, or take these pictures to the boat show on your shirt to show everyone the "warrantee" they offer….My friend got a brand new century out of a similar situation.. Best of luck trying to get back out on the water.
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How common is it common for builders to not through-bolt the hull/deck interface?

There was a thread on here a couple months ago where a THT member looked at a couple of the bigger name manufacturers hull/deck connections. Some of the results were pretty scary. Does anyone recall that thread?
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I don't think there's away to do it. Top manuf glass them together or have a backing on the hull so the screw has something to bite into, along with a sealant. They also take there time and make sure they are screwing in the right place. Seafox, as you can see doesn't care where the screws fall. That alone with no backing, you get what happened to him. Screws into fiberglass alone will eventually come lose from the flexing of the hull.
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I don't think there's away to do it. Top manuf glass them together or have a backing on the hull so the screw has something to bite into, along with a sealant. They also take there time and make sure they are screwing in the right place. Seafox, as you can see doesn't care where the screws fall. That alone with no backing, you get what happened to him. Screws into fiberglass alone will eventually come lose from the flexing of the hull.
Youre right, most builders use screws. But some do through bolt the joint. Look at the pic of the Venture in the thread below.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...k-joining.html

The everglades and proline joints shown in this thread scare the crap out of me.... I don't know how old the Everglades the OP is posting about is, but I do know they are regarded as a top tier builder and that theyre expensive.

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From my experience, most boat builders glue & screw the deck/hull together. They either use plexis or 5200.

Boats take on water under the rubrail in rough seas as water is forced in. Most boaters don't realize it because the bilge pump automatically evacuates the water. We had a hull seperate from the deck once on a cathedral hulled 20' boat. Sea conditions were awful and the boat should have never left the dock, but my younger brother went out anyways. He simply pulled the rubrail back over the seperation and never said anything. When I used the boat next morning I got blamed for it! We were just teenagers, but I was grounded for a month.
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I've checked out the hull-to-deck joints on lots of boats, both high-end and low-end, and some are indeed scary. From the looks of the pictures, it seems whoever installed the screws completely missed the hull with some of the screws, so the screw went through the deck into thin air.

I've seem some with no sealant, and various length screws run in at all sorts of angles with completely random gaps in the spacing. You can tell someone just walked down the side with a bag of screws and a drill and drove them in almost wrecklessly. They then caulk under the rub-rail to seal it, but that seal breaks apart sooner than later, and you have a water entry point. The flexing of the hull/deck grinds the holes bigger, and then there's little holding things together.

Some builders use backing boards/plates to set the screws, and some go a step further and through-bolt. Others completely fiberglass the entire joint, while some use a reverse shoe-box approach with both chemical and mechanical fasteners.
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You mentioned that your lawyer e-maild seafox and did not get a responce. Why did he / she e-mail them rather than send a certified letter which would benefit you in the long run?
If it were me I certainly would not accept any fix they offered me other than a new hull rigged for your electronic's and engine but thats just me..

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