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Old 09-06-2011, 08:13 PM
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Default Everglades 243cc hull lean. Trim tabs, swim platform?

Hey there. First want to say this is a great site. What a valuable resource y'all provide.

I just purchased a 2006 Everglades 243cc with Honda 225. Fantastic condition, rock solid ride, top quality all around.....all I expected and more. Love this boat. The question/issue I have is that no matter the sea conditions,when I throttle up, the hull wants to lean slightly to port side. Of course this is easily corrected by tabbing down the starboard side Lenco tab 1 to 2 clicks to compensate. In all regards, the ride is perfect after doing that. My question is if it is normal or ok to have to do this, or if there is something that could/should be corrected?

Weight is distributed equally 100%, batteries and all. No water in hull or anywhere, Light fuel, heavy fuel, lot of people, or me alone. It's all the same. Tabs appear to be working perfectly and installed level (when inspected out of water).

There is a swim platform with a brace on port side stern which is standard I think for all 243's. This is the only thing on hull that is not symmetrical. Could this be causing the 'drag' to cause this lean? Is it normal? Spoke to a dealer today out of Daytona and he says 'nothing to worry about...just use the tabs'. Said maybe the prop could be causing this as a normal and natural byproduct of running and that changing prop would not matter. True?? The boat does run damn near flawlessly in all seas.

but I just dropped a lot of loot and want to sleep easy! Any input is appreciated. By the way, test drove the boat in a good chop so tabs were used whole time. the 243 ran like a champ through it and nothing even crossed my mind about it. Any help is appreciated!
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Old 09-06-2011, 09:37 PM
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I have a 2008 24' champion that does the same thing. A touch of the tab corrects it quickly. Although at wot and trimmed out, I'm completely level without any assistance. I would not worry, I'm willing to bet this is common among other Everglades.
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Sorry, but I don't have an answer for you, but I'm looking at the 243. How much chop have you run it through and how dry does it run? I was leaning toward either the 23 or a BW Outrage 22 and I keep hearing this boat is super. My wife and I looked at a 243 at the WPB boat show and loved it, but we haven't had one in the water yet.
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Because I just picked up the boat last Friday anything short of a hurricane was not gonna a keep me off the water this weekend. I live in Tampa bay where winds were howling at 20-25 knots all day yesterday in the inter coastal due to trop storms out in gulf. It was nasty nasty chop in high winds. Boat rode on a great dry plane at around 20 mph, nice and easy. But cruised equally dry crusing at 30-35 mph with bow down just crushing the chop with minimal effort, along with larger boat wakes in the channel we were running down to clearwater. My 10 yr old daughter and her friend were literally laying comfortably in the bow on the cushions during this run. The only reason we got wet at all was operator error couple times Boat is just rock solid construction so the pounding doesn't rattle anything and
sound like a box of bolts like some hulls. I can't say enough about it. I told my daughter she just saw
the crappiest water she will have to see, since I don't take her offshore yet. I love this damn boat and highly recommend a test drive before you pull the trigger on anything. Never been in any other size Everglades but the 243cc sure is a nice ride in my opinion!
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Thanks! I hope to get out on a 243 soon!
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The zinc above your prop should be adjusted to help fight against prop torque. By the pic you posted, it looks like the zinc might be straight back. I would try adjusting that and see what happens. The platform I'm sure probably weights in at around 30 pounds so I doubt that it would effect it much but it might a little since the rest of the boat is equaled out weight wise and its at the stern.. Try putting some weight in the starboard stern if you think it might be that. But I would make sure the zink is adjusted correctly. Also having a hardtop will make your boat lean one way or the other because of the wind. Its usually not consistantly to one side though. Changing the prop will not effect a lean usually. By the way, sweet ride!!!
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Hey there. First want to say this is a great site. What a valuable resource y'all provide.

I just purchased a 2006 Everglades 243cc with Honda 225. Fantastic condition, rock solid ride, top quality all around.....all I expected and more. Love this boat. The question/issue I have is that no matter the sea conditions,when I throttle up, the hull wants to lean slightly to port side. Of course this is easily corrected by tabbing down the starboard side Lenco tab 1 to 2 clicks to compensate. In all regards, the ride is perfect after doing that. My question is if it is normal or ok to have to do this, or if there is something that could/should be corrected?

Weight is distributed equally 100%, batteries and all. No water in hull or anywhere, Light fuel, heavy fuel, lot of people, or me alone. It's all the same. Tabs appear to be working perfectly and installed level (when inspected out of water).

There is a swim platform with a brace on port side stern which is standard I think for all 243's. This is the only thing on hull that is not symmetrical. Could this be causing the 'drag' to cause this lean? Is it normal? Spoke to a dealer today out of Daytona and he says 'nothing to worry about...just use the tabs'. Said maybe the prop could be causing this as a normal and natural byproduct of running and that changing prop would not matter. True?? The boat does run damn near flawlessly in all seas.

but I just dropped a lot of loot and want to sleep easy! Any input is appreciated. By the way, test drove the boat in a good chop so tabs were used whole time. the 243 ran like a champ through it and nothing even crossed my mind about it. Any help is appreciated!
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Nitramiii, thanks, that makes me feel a little better! I do think it's ok, but will feel really good when some crusty, seasoned dude on here gives me the all clear or some definitive explanation. Gonna try to call everglades direct tomorrow to see what they say if i can get them. These little things mentally eat me alive if I don't know for sure!
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I'm not crusty, but look at my post above, the zink can be the problem, especially since its consistant through all throttle positions.
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Nitramiii, thanks, that makes me feel a little better! I do think it's ok, but will feel really good when some crusty, seasoned dude on here gives me the all clear or some definitive explanation. Gonna try to call everglades direct tomorrow to see what they say if i can get them. These little things mentally eat me alive if I don't know for sure!
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another suggestion. check your t-top for alignment. the t-top will act as a wing at speed. it might be uneven causing the wind to push the boat down more on that one side at speed.

you probably do not want to hear this, but you might have a warp in the hull causing it to lean to that one side.
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Dahlbebop, I'm sorry, I don't know what that is! Trying to learn as much as I can as fast as I can bout this rig. Can you give me the the quick, zinc for dummies explanation?
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The little triangle looking thing that is mounted right above your prop, that is the zinc I am talking about. It should have a bolt on the underside that you loosen. Usually you will turn it in the direction of the lean. Zincs help fight corrosion to metal parts, they are all over your motor. This particular zinc is placed there also to provide resistance against prop torque. It can and should be adjusted. From your picture it is hard to tell, the zinc looks like it is aligned straight back. If it is straight back adjust it so it isn't. A prop has a natural torque when it is turning. On dual motor boats, this is why they have conter rotating motors. This way the boat is getting even torque instead of just torque turning to one side. On a single motor boat, they put that zink there to combat that same issue. Its sorta like a rudder above the prop.

This is from another site, maybe explained a little better.
"The prop spins in one direction causing the motor pull to one side, making steering tiring. On most motors, particularly the big ones, there is a little fin that hangs down behind the prop to counteract that pulling while the boat is in motion. By turning the fin to one side or the other, the twisting of the motor is offset.

Interestingly enough, this fin is made of zinc. When outboards are in salt water, there is a great chance of a chemical reaction, like a battery, “eating” one metal on the motor. The fin is made of a zinc that sacrifices itself. It is “eaten” before the other more valuable motor parts. It might need to be replaced at some time if the motor is in salt water, but it is cheap and easy to replace."

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Dahlbebop, I'm sorry, I don't know what that is! Trying to learn as much as I can as fast as I can bout this rig. Can you give me the the quick, zinc for dummies explanation?

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Here are some pictures of what I'm talking about, and don't bash me on the first couple pics, the outdrive has been repainted! the pics show the zinc fin I am talking about. Mine has one bolt on the bottom that you loosen. If you adjust yours, just make sure you retighten the bolt good, last thing you want is that zink becoming loose right over the prop.


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Hey thanks dahlbebop! Did a quick search also and learned a bit. That zinc is very likely straight back and never been adjusted just knowing history of the boat and owner. Only couple hundred hours on engine and used just strictly for leisurely cruising around bay by previous owner....never been fished! Very casual use. Sounds like a good culprit to start with. I will do that this week provided rains move out, and let you know if it worked.

I like that explanation much better than a warped hull UaVaj! Gonna check hardtop also for level and
square. Thanks a lot for suggestions y'all!
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Your welcome, keep us posted. Good luck.
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Should have known about this and forgot. Same problem becoming apparent and my fin is corroding.

Many thanks for calling this to my attention; going to replace the fin and figure out how much to offset it!
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I have an everglades 223 with a 250. No matter what you do with that trim tab you will not fully correct the lean when under power and not trimmed up. This is an issue with almost all larger single high powered engine boat. It happened on my last bay boat. It is due to the torque of the engine. Boats with a deeper V are affected more than those with a flatter running surface. I just use the trim tabs and don't worry about it. I have actually thought abot putting a spacer on the trim tab to allow them to run even but it isn't worth the trouble.
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i think it's your swim platform. i recently added a swim / ladder platform to my 2007 18' boat. now i have to run with my port tab deeper to offset the extra weight. my fall project is to move some batteries.
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So just got done with adjusting that zinc tab and running it. Lean is almost totally eliminated! Adjusted to 5 different positions and finally the 5th position was most ideal. It is a very sensitive little mechanism. Amazing the difference in performance with just a slight change in angle. Lean of hull, max rpm reached, and max mph all changed a lot with each position. At wot, ranged from max 4800 rpm and 38mph at worst position with lots of port side lean, to max 5750 rpm and 45 mph with NO lean at all. Actually increased the power a little over where it was before!

Only lean detectable at all now is really minor when cruising at about 15-20 mph range while stern is still low in water. I do believe this is due to swim platform with ladder mounted up underneath it just dragging water on the port side a bit as StPeteRebel stated. I can see the difference in the near wake compared to starboard side. Once hull rises at throttling up and platform is out of water, the lean goes away now with the new angle of the zinc tab. The rest is just using the Lenco tabs for ideal ride when needed .....which is what they are for I guess!

Anyway, thanks for all of the help y'all. Very much appreciated!
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Glad it worked out, can't imagine it giving you that much more rpms! Thats amazing! I was just trying to get your lean to go away
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So just got done with adjusting that zinc tab and running it. Lean is almost totally eliminated! Adjusted to 5 different positions and finally the 5th position was most ideal. It is a very sensitive little mechanism. Amazing the difference in performance with just a slight change in angle. Lean of hull, max rpm reached, and max mph all changed a lot with each position. At wot, ranged from max 4800 rpm and 38mph at worst position with lots of port side lean, to max 5750 rpm and 45 mph with NO lean at all. Actually increased the power a little over where it was before!

Only lean detectable at all now is really minor when cruising at about 15-20 mph range while stern is still low in water. I do believe this is due to swim platform with ladder mounted up underneath it just dragging water on the port side a bit as StPeteRebel stated. I can see the difference in the near wake compared to starboard side. Once hull rises at throttling up and platform is out of water, the lean goes away now with the new angle of the zinc tab. The rest is just using the Lenco tabs for ideal ride when needed .....which is what they are for I guess!

Anyway, thanks for all of the help y'all. Very much appreciated!
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I have a 21' Palm Beach WA. When I crank up the engine the boat lists to port. The tab above the prop is set on the center position. I was wondering what position Outta here set his tab to correct his list? I also have smart tabs on the boat set at equal positions.

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