Notices

Soon to be boat owner, questions.

Old 08-15-2011, 03:32 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida
Posts: 100
Default Soon to be boat owner, questions.

I have been searching for months now trying to find the right boat for me. Long story short, all the boats Ive gone to check out have crapped out on me during the sea trial. Literally. My limiting factor is the room I have to store. Half of a standard size garage puts me in the 13-14' boat range. Fine with me, it will mainly be for cruising around and inshore fishing (offshore if weather permits RARELY). A BIG bonus would be something powerful enough to tube on, and perhaps kneeboard etc. but its not a huge factor.

Recently Ive been searching for a 13' whaler, to no avail. The deck on these boats is perfect, just cant seem to find one in a decent price range with a motor or trailer worth the asking price.

My main question now is: Should I hold out and wait until I find a good used one? OR simply looking for a cheap hull, a few small repairs as necessary, and putting a NEW engine on it. I am trying to stay under 5k, although I know its difficult. I saw that Livingston has a 14' cat style skiff for under 3k for the hull. Putting a 30HP on that with cables and everything would be roughly 6.5-8k depending on engine and installation.

Can anyone give me advise on the best, safest road to travel down here? I am coming from a 10' jon boat in the intercoastal with a 1964 Tecumseh engine that seems to fall apart everytime I crank the pullstart. I just want something with much less of a hassle to enjoy my fishing/boating.

Thanks!
daniel4616 is offline  
Old 08-15-2011, 05:22 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: south of Boston
Posts: 3,170
Default

Originally Posted by daniel4616 View Post
I have been searching for months now trying to find the right boat for me. Long story short, all the boats Ive gone to check out have crapped out on me during the sea trial. Literally. My limiting factor is the room I have to store. Half of a standard size garage puts me in the 13-14' boat range. Fine with me, it will mainly be for cruising around and inshore fishing (offshore if weather permits RARELY). A BIG bonus would be something powerful enough to tube on, and perhaps kneeboard etc. but its not a huge factor.

Recently Ive been searching for a 13' whaler, to no avail. The deck on these boats is perfect, just cant seem to find one in a decent price range with a motor or trailer worth the asking price.

My main question now is: Should I hold out and wait until I find a good used one? OR simply looking for a cheap hull, a few small repairs as necessary, and putting a NEW engine on it. I am trying to stay under 5k, although I know its difficult. I saw that Livingston has a 14' cat style skiff for under 3k for the hull. Putting a 30HP on that with cables and everything would be roughly 6.5-8k depending on engine and installation.

Can anyone give me advise on the best, safest road to travel down here? I am coming from a 10' jon boat in the intercoastal with a 1964 Tecumseh engine that seems to fall apart everytime I crank the pullstart. I just want something with much less of a hassle to enjoy my fishing/boating.

Thanks!

http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/2536358020.html
http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/boa/2548619833.html
http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/2527979032.html
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/2514488173.html
http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/2548225922.html

More money,
http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/2548686505.html
jonesg is offline  
Old 08-15-2011, 05:44 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The left coast.
Posts: 1,881
Default

I've looked at several small Whalers out here in the west coast. Prices are high for the "fixers" IMO.

So far I'm on my third boat and re-powered all three of them. Just re-powered the third one today with a low hours used motor out of a dealer. I was just in the right place at the right time.

The second boat received a brand new Honda a couple of months ago.

B.O.A.T.
the good life is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 08:40 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida
Posts: 100
Exclamation

I have contacted most of those you listed. Not really interested in a jet boat though. Am about to go check out a 13' whaler with 25HP this week again. I just wonder if its worth buying a used one that is almost for sure going to have problems, or just to piece together a new hull/motor for under 8k... Does anyone have experience in piecing together motors with new hulls like this? What was your ultimate cost and was it worth it?
daniel4616 is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 08:43 AM
  #5  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Long Island,NY
Posts: 11,974
Default

Most people that are selling prefer to keep the engine attached, even if it does not run well, on the theory that they can sell the boat for more than if they just sold the hull.
SeaJay is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 08:48 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida
Posts: 100
Default

Yes, I have noticed. I would prefer to spend less, but even a 2000+ whaler seems to run about 6-8k. I would rather spend 2500 on a brand new hull (Livingston 14' + new 30-40HP motor) but Im not sure. I have asked people to seperate and they will not. Its just my last sea trial had us stuck in the intercoastal walking up someones dock after floating to shore... What do you think the worst case senarior would be after buying a $3000 whaler with a 25HP motor? Engine blows, thats another 3k for new one right there... Im addicted to fishing and water and need to get out farther than my 5hp 10' jon boat will take me!!
daniel4616 is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 09:10 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Santa Cruz Ca
Posts: 526
Default Arima

Some of the better small boats are made by Arima.
Monterey10 is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 09:11 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location:
Posts: 863
Default

Are you sure you can't go just a tad longer? A 17 Montauk is a boat. The 13 is a tender. I would never take a 13 anywhere outside a bay area regardless of weather. Plus, you won't have much room in a 13 that has a helm; these things are meant to transport people back amd forth + some short joyrides.
4000 is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 09:14 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida
Posts: 100
Default

I have 17.5 TOTAL feet length wise to work with, and about 7ft width wise. The trailer alone, even with a swing tounge seem to be around 18' and the engine adds another 1.5ft(?). I have tried to spin it many ways, but it appears 15 is the longest I could go, but I am having a hard time finding a decent 15 in my price range
daniel4616 is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 09:26 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location:
Posts: 863
Default

Seriously . . . and out of curiosity, what's on the other side of the garage?
4000 is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 09:27 AM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lower Chesapeake bay, USA
Posts: 636
Default

Check out a 15 foot Boston Whaler Sport. It's the driest 15 footer on the market and has a comfortable ride. You should be able to find a decent mid 80s for about $4500 that will fit in the garage.

I just did a search and found this 15 Whaler in South Florida: http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/2530053959.html

The best part you will be able to sell it for what you paid for the boat.
surfncnow is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 09:57 AM
  #12  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida
Posts: 100
Default

Originally Posted by 4000 View Post
Seriously . . . and out of curiosity, what's on the other side of the garage?
Motorcycle, weight bench, golf clubs and two large freezers. They can be positioned around a bit, but I share the garage with someone so I cant use all of it up.


@surfncow: I got ahold of them as well, theres very few whalers on clist in my area that I havent got in contact with. My only caution with that boat is that everything is over 20 years old, and the trailer doesnt appear to have a swing tounge.
daniel4616 is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 05:08 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: south of Boston
Posts: 3,170
Default

Try a jetski, some guys convert them for fishing and do very well, I know one who goes 30 miles offshore on 3 a seater. He tricked it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPfQDyvnDp0
jonesg is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 05:15 PM
  #14  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Pompano Beach, FL
Posts: 11,932
Default

I know someone with a 14' Carolina Skiff with a steering wheel, and non- running outboard, that would love to git rid of it ...............pretty cheap, I think.
PM me your phone # if you're interested, and I'll hook you guys up.
Jus Teasin is offline  
Old 08-16-2011, 07:43 PM
  #15  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ft Lauderdale
Posts: 739
Default

Originally Posted by daniel4616 View Post
Motorcycle, weight bench, golf clubs and two large freezers. They can be positioned around a bit, but I share the garage with someone so I cant use all of it up.


@surfncow: I got ahold of them as well, theres very few whalers on clist in my area that I havent got in contact with. My only caution with that boat is that everything is over 20 years old, and the trailer doesnt appear to have a swing tounge.
Daniel that is the whaler you want. The 15 rides much better than a 13 and the 15 cc is a rare model, plus that yammie will run forever, and if it breaks its usually a cheap fix. If you buy something new you will get hammered on resale, while that whaler will sell for 5k in another ten years. Unless its soft in the floors its probably gonna be gone soon.
yachtaccess is offline  
Old 08-17-2011, 09:05 AM
  #16  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida
Posts: 100
Default

@ Jus Teasin: PMed you. Looking forward to hearing from your friend.

@yachtaccess: I got ahold of them, and I am probably going to go check it out next week if its still around as this week I am heading upcoast to be with family. Possibly going to check out a whaler in the cocoa beach area as well.

So it seems the consensius is to get a used boat with a used motor? Does no one think that buying a hull (new OR used) and new motor is a good way to go? Also, Sundance has some T14' Skiff I just saw on boat trader for ~$7750 brand new with a trailer and Evinrude 25hp 4s tiller... I couldnt find any info on this boat from Sundance's website however... And I would need to convert it to a remote steering...
daniel4616 is offline  
Old 08-17-2011, 09:16 AM
  #17  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Live in CT, Boat in Narragansett, RI
Posts: 1,133
Default

buying a hull/boat and trailer and then buying a new engine would be the best bet.
If you decide to buy a hull/boat with an engine check compression and listen to it run. Im a guy to make sure things look clean too, I know it doesnt really have much to do with internals but it shows a little about how the motor was kept. Bring a friend along who knows a bit about engines too.
JoshPtJudith is offline  
Old 08-17-2011, 09:22 AM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The left coast.
Posts: 1,881
Default

Originally Posted by JoshPtJudith View Post
buying a hull/boat and trailer and then buying a new engine would be the best bet.
If you decide to buy a hull/boat with an engine check compression and listen to it run. Im a guy to make sure things look clean too, I know it doesnt really have much to do with internals but it shows a little about how the motor was kept. Bring a friend along who knows a bit about engines too.
...and to add don't be afraid to look under the cowling, really closely. My second boat looked good and ran good on the sea trial. Yes, it did show it's age being a 1984 model but overall okay. When I first replaced the impeller (1994 Johnson), I removed the lower cowling to gain access to the shift rod and saw a bunch of rust on the power head bolts that were hidden from view. the hour meter showed 300 something hours, but I have doubts about that. As stated before, just re-powered two days ago.

It's always buyer beware.
the good life is offline  
Old 08-17-2011, 04:15 PM
  #19  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 11,244
Default

I agree that the 15 Whaler CC is a good boat for the $$--Consider out of the box thinking--and split the trailer tongue after the winch support. It will cost a few hundred for the cut and weld. You can then unbolt the trailer from behind the tongue on--put a support like a jack stand under the front of the trailer--and have an extra roller on the tongue right in back of where you cut it. That should get you in your 17.5 feet garage.

Good luck finding the right boat.
thataway is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 11:42 AM
  #20  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida
Posts: 100
Default

Ok guys, thanks for the great info!! I did go out yesterday and pick up a boat hull though. A 1971 McKee craft 14' hull. Now it fits in my garage, but at a side, so I will probably do what @thataway said and try to spend a few bux getting someone to weld a swing tongue.

Now my question shifts to engines... I want a 20-30HP motor on this thing, with remote steering. I plan on getting new, so while price is an issue, I plan that the size and motor I want will run me around 2500-3500. Looking for the cheapest methods and motors for this possible too. Does anyone have advise on a good engine? 4 stroke VS 2 stroke? My buddy has a 25hp 4stroke on his boat, and its SOO quiet and starts up everytime no problem. Also, I see a lot of engine has electric/manual start, I like this idea for future problems. I would have to buy steering cables and such, but I saw that some tillers are priced from 300-800$ cheaper, and for yamaha, I saw it only costs about 400 to set up a tiller to remote steering.

Any and all info would be great! Heres a pic.



Uploaded with ImageShack.us
daniel4616 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread