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Old 05-20-2011, 08:02 AM
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I am the second owner of my 2003 Intrepid 377. The boat came with a Fischer Panda 4200 genset with approx 400hrs on it.. Ive owned this boat now for about 3.5 years and can honestly say, I never was able to use the generator due to all the issues ive had with it. The latest issue was that it wasnt starting (big surprise) and when I opened the hatch to inspect it I saw oil which was leaking from beneath the generator... I called my mechanic, who told me he had to take the generator out of the boat to inspect where the oil was coming from. A week went by and he calls me today and tells me that my block looks like swiss cheese with corrosion and that I need a new block. He tells me that oil is seaping out from the block.

Now im really lost as what to do next. Does anyone know of places that carry used blocks or discounted fischer panda parts? or should I try to take this up with the company?( which I highly doubt that they would do anything for me)... I really hate these generators and refuse to buy a new one since ive used my boat for 3.5 years with never really using it. Replacement cost for my model is approx 9k...I need some advice-Thanks in advance!

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Google Fischer Panda, you are not alone. May be time to go with another brand.
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They're kind of respected as being the lightest and most compact generator on the market but they all require maintenance. It's pretty easy to crammed a gen set below decks it then forget it with the exception of when you want electricity, they require maintenance.... all of them. Were the zincs maintained? Deck leaks? Isn't there more to this story?
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I believe the previous owner did not maintain the generator.. Since I hardly even use my boat, I even more rarely use my generator. I believe in the 3.5 years of owning the boat, I started it maybe 3 times. Within the 3.5 years Ive repalced the water cooler, the impleller, and did the annual maintence once which I believe included an oil change...Now im stuck with a swiss cheese block
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Get a Kohler marine generator
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Any brand generator that is 8 years old is likely in need of rebuilding or replacement, neither of which is inexpensive. And yes, Intrepid likely installed a Fischer Panda for 2 reasons: it's small size, and it's low cost. And one of the worst things you can do to a generator is to not use it.
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Originally Posted by 377IntrepidWA View Post
I believe the previous owner did not maintain the generator.. Since I hardly even use my boat, I even more rarely use my generator. I believe in the 3.5 years of owning the boat, I started it maybe 3 times. Within the 3.5 years Ive repalced the water cooler, the impleller, and did the annual maintence once which I believe included an oil change...Now im stuck with a swiss cheese block
I'd guess it's pretty unlikely that the manufacturers going to help you much and it's unlikely that any gen set would survive that treatment.
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Its not that I just didnt want to run it, it never ran right from the day I bought the boat. Ive searched online and like signmansez says, I havnt seen too many pleased Fischer Panda generator owners
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"2003 Intrepid 377. The boat came with a Fischer Panda 4200 genset with approx 400hrs on it.. Ive owned this boat now for about 3.5 years and can honestly say, I never was able to use the generator due to all the issues ive had with it. "

you own an 8 year old boat that you bought over 4 years old without knowing what kind of care the genset had previous and you take it out on the company who built it?...

i just had a 4 year old pool pump rot out at the bottom...ran with a 3" hole in the caing until it finally just shorted out...when it was installed they suggested a cover for it to protect it from the elements but i thought "what the heck...the old one lasted quite a while"...shame on me...had i taken better care of it it might still be humming along...lesson learned...but i'm not going to slam the company that built it in public because i didnt know any better...

regarding searching online...try the search for just about anything...youll find plenty of unhappy owners...theyre the ones who post all the time cause its a free shoulder to dry on...i use it with customers when they tell me they went online and found other people who own their cars with the same problem...i ask them to name a car they dont think has the problem then go online and show them the thousands of hits on their choice...people love to cry...its human nature...
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Originally Posted by 377IntrepidWA View Post
Its not that I just didnt want to run it, it never ran right from the day I bought the boat. Ive searched online and like signmansez says, I havnt seen too many pleased Fischer Panda generator owners
did you have a tech look at it 3.5 years ago when you bought it to see why it didnt run?...
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Do you believe that a BLOCK should rot out on a diesel generator that is 8 years old with 400hrs. I mean I understand that if it wasnt maintained properly that things will break, but when a Block breaks on a unit that was never ran hard to me that just seems like poor craftmanship
Once again maintence is always part of a boat and things break due to wear. A block to me, just seems like the solid construct to the unit
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Yes, when I bought the bought I had it inspected and the report said that there was minor corosion and that the water pump was bad which I replaced along with the impeller
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Why not?? I've seen car and truck engine blocks rot out in about the same amount of time. Without paint and maintenance anything metallic will revert back to oxides
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Originally Posted by 377IntrepidWA View Post
Do you believe that a BLOCK should rot out on a diesel generator that is 8 years old with 400hrs. I mean I understand that if it wasnt maintained properly that things will break, but when a Block breaks on a unit that was never ran hard to me that just seems like poor craftmanship
Once again maintence is always part of a boat and things break due to wear. A block to me, just seems like the solid construct to the unit
soomething doesnt have to run to rot out....exposure causes this and it might have been an issue that started early on and was never addressed...boats are in a pretty harsh environment and there can be problems associated with that....it may have been exposed to salt water very early on and never corrected the damage done...

do i believe it should?...no..

do i belive it was probably exposed to something that caused?...an outside force?...yes...
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How would you maintain a block SKUA?
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Yes the block can corrode in LESS than 8 years. The guy who was next to me at my previous dock had a Stamas 310 express, his generator completely corroded in less than 2 years. Seams they put the genny under the back deck. Turns out his hatch wasn't water tight. Every time he went out he was dumping saltwater on his genny. Then it turned into a pissing match between stamas and fischer panda as to who was responsible. Took him nearly a year to get it remedied.
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Spray it down every time you go out
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Yes the block can corrode in LESS than 8 years. The guy who was next to me at my previous dock had a Stamas 310 express, his generator completely corroded in less than 2 years. Seams they put the genny under the back deck. Turns out his hatch wasn't water tight. Every time he went out he was dumping saltwater on his genny. Then it turned into a pissing match between stamas and fischer panda as to who was responsible. Took him nearly a year to get it remedied.
Do you know how it was remedied?
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if someone didnt flush their outboard and ran into corrosion problems what would youre response be?...

not rinsing fishing gear and experiencing corrsion failures?....
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Originally Posted by jjchomp View Post
Yes the block can corrode in LESS than 8 years. The guy who was next to me at my previous dock had a Stamas 310 express, his generator completely corroded in less than 2 years. Seams they put the genny under the back deck. Turns out his hatch wasn't water tight. Every time he went out he was dumping saltwater on his genny. Then it turned into a pissing match between stamas and fischer panda as to who was responsible. Took him nearly a year to get it remedied.
I think I remember that boat. My boss installed the genset and was cussing as to what to do with all the cabling and external control boxes...

When buying a boat with a genset, it is imperative that the genset operate properly, and that is part of the sellers responsibility. As a buyer, it is your responsibility to test it, both in the static (simply running) and dynamic (under load) states. Should it fail either test, you have the option to either tell the seller to fix it before you buy, or opt to buy with the issue at a reduced price. If however, the genset was ran and tested properly prior to the sale, and later failed, it is the buyer's onus...

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