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Old 02-04-2011, 07:30 PM
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I've just seen a news report on Wboc channel 16 that a couple commercial waterman found a little black box with a small antenna mounted to the stern of his workboat. That was Monday he called the police dnr and the police called out a bomb squad to detect if it was a bomb it wasn't. The news asked if dnr knew what it was and they didn't answer the question for them. Well today on the news md dnr told wboc that they placed the transmitter on the mans workboat and a few others, this was in dorchester county. Dnr says they placed them to track offenders. I say wtf does dnr have the right to step aboard someones boat and place anything. Not only does the state have a couple millon dollor camera to watch them now they got to track them to. I know where I'm from if the crabbers caught dnr on there boats they probly use them in there hard crab pots, what's the world coming to?
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Can you post any link to this "behavior", or is it all heresay?
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They are going to get more aggressive on the Bay now!! Because of things like this "Police discover 10 tons of illegally caught rockfish in Chesapeake Bay"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020406349.html
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Old 02-04-2011, 08:31 PM
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I don't have a link but its true, if you google Wboc news and click on news you'll see the report. I think dnr has gone to far with this one what do you guys think. Maryland comm waterman check your boats they could be tracking you!!!
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Well, I saw this article...http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=13971823, but no mention of ILLEGALLY placed monitors...
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:09 PM
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I wasn't saying it was done illegally just that dnr placed them on a couple of boats that the owners were busted for violations before that's what wboc said on tv. I know I don't want them putting a hand on my boat, and no I don't like poachers never had catch your limit the legal way and go home not looking over your shoulder.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:26 PM
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If DNR had a warrant then it's legal. Not much different than what other law enforcement agencies do when investigating people for various crimes...think wiretaps, GPS trackers on cars, hidden surveillance cameras. These weren't random boats....they were targeted by DNR for a reason and I'm sure that there was more than enough evidence for a judge to authorize the devices.
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:36 PM
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Dont need a warrant to place a GPS tracking device on a car, at least not in Illinois when I was doing it. The car just had to be parked on public property when it was placed.
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Old 02-05-2011, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by seabob4 View Post
Can you post any link to this "behavior", or is it all heresay?
Ever heard of doing an internet search, or are you really that lazy?

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Old 02-05-2011, 06:34 AM
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It's a very real story. Been all over the Internet since last Monday.

Maryland is turning into a Communist Police State.

MD DNR isn't saying much and it is unclear if the DNR had a search warrant.

If not, it appears that several Constitution Violations occurred to the 3rd, 4th 5th and 9th Amendments plus several court decisions/interpertations on a individuals right to privacy.
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:03 AM
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As I understand the owner of the boat that the tracking device was discovered on had 22 court cases with the MD DNR from 1992 to 2009.

I do not applaud any sort of goverment tracking on individuals without court order and due process but if one indeed brakes the law with such frequency he gives up his rights, at least in my book.
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:29 AM
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I live and fish waters where the incident occurred. I applaud DNR for their efforts, the commercial fishermen having beeen raping these waters for years and its decreased the catches and caused more limits on the rec fishermen. The watermen know who the poachers are but won't drop a dime so screw em. I hope they continue to track and harass them. Those GPS devices were placed on boats that should be tracked...10 tons of netted Stripers aka:Rockfish is just insane. They should never allow netters this far north in the Chesapeake Bay....
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As I understand the owner of the boat that the tracking device was discovered on had 22 court cases with the MD DNR from 1992 to 2009.

I do not applaud any sort of goverment tracking on individuals without court order and due process but if one indeed brakes the law with such frequency he gives up his rights, at least in my book.
You have to wonder why with 22 prior violations, this person wasn't in jail. He obviously is not going to obey the law if he is allowed to run free.

As for the tracking device, I don't think the government (or anyone else) should be allowed to do this, and I don't think they should be allowed to tamper with my boat or vehicle, but I doubt they care what I think.

If I found a tracking device on my boat or vehicle, I would put it in a bottle and let it drift out to sea. Or maybe wrap it and ship it UPS to Nebraska.
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:51 AM
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In my opinion,... So What! The devices were placed on known boats that were caught before for Poaching. The Chesapeake has been raped with illegal fisher's for many years. Oyster's, Rockfish, Crab's etc. we read about it all the time up here. I have read before of boats leaving in the middle of the night raking Oyster beds on area's that were placed as sanctuaries, to bring the population back. Gill Nets with tons of illegal fish found, killing all. Repeat offenders are the ones who were targeted.
I read on another site one guy has had 38 NR convictions with 6 in 2009, another has 22 with 4 in 2009.
Click here: Questions Remain After Devices Found on Boats - WBOC-TV 16, Delmarvas News Leader, FOX 21 -
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Old 02-05-2011, 08:06 AM
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You have to wonder why with 22 prior violations, this person wasn't in jail. He obviously is not going to obey the law if he is allowed to run free.
Maryland is a Democratic/Liberal state its no surprise to me this person is running free...Can't say DNR is doing nothing with 22 violations. I hope they continue to keep pressure on these repeat offenders...
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Watermen on the Chesapeake have a long history of contempt for authority going back pretty much to the settlement of this area. There are recorded incidents of actual shootings by waterment to try to deter law enforcement on the water.



Pretty much, the authorities have said "you will do this and that", and the watermen have said "no we won't". They have historically been a tight knit, independent bunch.

The problem is, the authorities have to obey the law, the watermen do not, and in some cases, will not. I don't understand why people with multiple violations are still allowed to work the water and I don't understand why they are not in prison after a dozen or so convictions.

I don't want to paint every commercial waterman as a crimminal, obviously, most are not. Enough are to create a problem.

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Old 02-05-2011, 08:16 AM
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If you want to read a couple good books about the chesapeake start off with oyster wars and starting at sea level they are great books and tell true storys about outlaw waterman and the game wardens who have been shot and shot at.
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I wish the NC Marine Police would have some balls like MD DNR.....
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Old 02-05-2011, 08:42 AM
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Has anyone who has posted been a comm waterman? I've worked on a couple crab boats in the summer while I was in high school. Its a tough job pulling 600 pots a day and when your catching a lot of crab its not hard to let a couple small ones slip by cause on the bay time is money and you only have 8 hrs to do your job per dnr so the skip is yelling cussing and throwing pots on the deck as fast as some people on here can type a keyboard. And the sea nettles are all over your face and eyes and you sweat so much your shades fog up so you can't ware em its not a fun job. But all the balt newyork and other city slickers want there md blue crabs so the waterman is going to break the law as long as he can go crabbing his deckhands don't get a fine he does and he doent cull the crabs that's how they rack up fines get a couple hands who don't give a crap your going to get tickets.
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Originally Posted by Justtuggin View Post
If you want to read a couple good books about the chesapeake start off with oyster wars and starting at sea level they are great books and tell true storys about outlaw waterman and the game wardens who have been shot and shot at.
Don't forget Market Gunner. It's the other slaughter on the water
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